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OT: NCAA denies JMU Request

When you consider that every single thing they do is to protect and preserve the blue bloods and maintain the status quo it all makes sense. Consider that the historically strong programs benefit from NIL due to long established fan bases willing to support/give. The Big Club needs to remind everyone else they are not in the club as George Carlin would say. That's what this decision is.
 
I think the transition period is meant to deter anyone from jumping willy nilly and make sure they have the adequate resources and financing to compete at the higher level. Of course JMU has totally demonstrated they can in their 2 years.




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I think it is ridiculous that people think a rule should be changed that was in place at the time JMU and JSU moved up and they agreed to, just because they happen to have good years.

It wouldn’t be the feel-good, victimless move advocates are portraying it as. If they let bowls take JSU and JMU this year, some of the schools (and their conferences) below them in the bowl selection will get a lesser bowl and payout than they would if the rule is followed. In fact, if there are enough 6-6 teams, some 6-6 teams could miss out on getting a bowl completely because JMU and JSU were unfairly added back in.
 
Per the article, they might make it anyway, as there may not enough teams with a .500 or more winning %.
 
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I think the transition period is meant to deter anyone from jumping willy nilly and make sure they have the adequate resources and financing to compete at the higher level. Of course JMU has totally demonstrated they can in their 2 years.




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“Willy -nilly” in your post can be fledged out as:

they don’t want teams moving up in a certain year, even if they don’t have everything else in place at the school to survive in FBS long term, just they because happen to have a good football team at that moment.
 
Per the article, they might make it anyway, as there may not enough teams with a .500 or more winning %.
Yea they can and probably will get into a bow but it's the NY6 bowl they would wanted a chance at but they can't be ranked by the CFP. Also they're locked out of the Sun Belt champ game. I think they got locked out last year too from the champ game in place of Coastal Carolina who they beat.

From the article:

“Requirements for members transitioning into FBS are based on factors beyond athletics performance. They are intended to ensure schools are properly evaluating their long-term sustainability in the subdivision,” the board committee said in a statement. “Sponsoring sports at this level requires increased scholarships, expanded athletics compliance efforts, and additional academic and mental health support for student-athletes, and the transition period is intended to give members time to adjust to those increased requirements to position student-athletes at those schools for long-term success.”

 
“Willy -nilly” in your post can be fledged out as:

they don’t want teams moving up in a certain year, even if they don’t have everything else in place at the school to survive in FBS long term, just they because happen to have a good football team at that moment.
I don't know about currently but JMU had their basketball team ranked last week too. One of the CFB media tweeted about it. Don't know about the rest of their athletic department.
 
From the article:


"If the true intent of the two-year transition is to ensure that schools are equipped to operate in a sustainable manner at the FBS level, we believe that we've already checked every box," JMU athletic director Jeff Bourne told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. "JMU never wanted any part of transitioning with uncertainty or on a whim; we wanted to be fully prepared, and we believe that plan was successfully executed."

It's certainly not beyond the NCAA to grant exceptions. When Liberty University made the jump from FCS to FBS in 2017, the NCAA waived the requirement that a school must be invited by a conference.

Before this rule was adopted, teams could compete in bowls right away. When Marshall University joined the FBS in 1996, for example, moving from the Southern Conference to the Mid-American Conference, it immediately was bowl-eligible and played in the Motor City Bowl following its first two seasons.

Meanwhile, the Sun Belt's bylaws prohibit teams that aren't bowl-eligible from competing for its conference title. Last year, despite leading the East division, JMU had to concede its title-game spot to Coastal Carolina University, which it had beaten 47-7 during the season.

Despite not making an exception in JMU's case, Sun Belt commissioner Keith Gill credits JMU with making a successful transition to the big leagues of college football and called the NCAA ban "unfortunate."

To be fair, the NCAA's rule isn't arbitrary and does have logic behind it — to a point. Writing for CBS Sports, Shehan Jeyarajah explains:

"While the rule will be a frustration for James Madison fans, it's intended as a buffer for programs transitioning without putting thought into their decision. Some teams have a great quarterback or roster that could compete for national acclaim; a transition to the FBS level is supposed to be a 50-year decision, not to capitalize on one team."

At the same time, however, it's perfectly fine for student-athletes to be opportunistic and seek immediate payoffs. In 2021, the NCAA relaxed its rules governing the transfer portal, eliminating the one-year waiting period and allowing athletes to compete on their new teams right away. Many athletes have used the transfer portal to pursue lucrative name, image, and likeness (NIL) deals without penalty.

So student-athletes can reap immediate rewards from switching schools, but schools cannot reap immediate rewards from switching subdivisions.

 
Sounds like JMU didn't grease enough palms at the NCAA and Sun Belt offices. If you don't want the rules to apply, you need to let the decision makers wet their beaks until they see things your way.
 
From the article:


"If the true intent of the two-year transition is to ensure that schools are equipped to operate in a sustainable manner at the FBS level, we believe that we've already checked every box," JMU athletic director Jeff Bourne told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. "JMU never wanted any part of transitioning with uncertainty or on a whim; we wanted to be fully prepared, and we believe that plan was successfully executed."

It's certainly not beyond the NCAA to grant exceptions. When Liberty University made the jump from FCS to FBS in 2017, the NCAA waived the requirement that a school must be invited by a conference.

Before this rule was adopted, teams could compete in bowls right away. When Marshall University joined the FBS in 1996, for example, moving from the Southern Conference to the Mid-American Conference, it immediately was bowl-eligible and played in the Motor City Bowl following its first two seasons.

Meanwhile, the Sun Belt's bylaws prohibit teams that aren't bowl-eligible from competing for its conference title. Last year, despite leading the East division, JMU had to concede its title-game spot to Coastal Carolina University, which it had beaten 47-7 during the season.

Despite not making an exception in JMU's case, Sun Belt commissioner Keith Gill credits JMU with making a successful transition to the big leagues of college football and called the NCAA ban "unfortunate."

To be fair, the NCAA's rule isn't arbitrary and does have logic behind it — to a point. Writing for CBS Sports, Shehan Jeyarajah explains:

"While the rule will be a frustration for James Madison fans, it's intended as a buffer for programs transitioning without putting thought into their decision. Some teams have a great quarterback or roster that could compete for national acclaim; a transition to the FBS level is supposed to be a 50-year decision, not to capitalize on one team."

At the same time, however, it's perfectly fine for student-athletes to be opportunistic and seek immediate payoffs. In 2021, the NCAA relaxed its rules governing the transfer portal, eliminating the one-year waiting period and allowing athletes to compete on their new teams right away. Many athletes have used the transfer portal to pursue lucrative name, image, and likeness (NIL) deals without penalty.

So student-athletes can reap immediate rewards from switching schools, but schools cannot reap immediate rewards from switching subdivisions.

From what I have read Liberty is not a good example to use as a precedent for JMU/JSU, because the rule regarding conference membership includes language about potential waivers, while language of the rule concerning no bowl games for the first two games is cut and dry,
 
Any schools that got bumped in favor of JMU because the NCAA didn’t follow their own rules would have a much stronger legal case than JMU would being left out because the NCAA followed its rule.
Also, because the fact the rule was added so recently means the NCAA had a reason for it now and intended for to be followed now.

Legally that is much stronger than a rule written decades ago that may not fit the current situation,.
 
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I think it is ridiculous that people think a rule should be changed that was in place at the time JMU and JSU moved up and they agreed to, just because they happen to have good years.

It wouldn’t be the feel-good, victimless move advocates are portraying it as. If they let bowls take JSU and JMU this year, some of the schools (and their conferences) below them in the bowl selection will get a lesser bowl and payout than they would if the rule is followed. In fact, if there are enough 6-6 teams, some 6-6 teams could miss out on getting a bowl completely because JMU and JSU were unfairly added back in.
I agree
I also agree that JMU should go bowling and have all the benefits
 
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While it does suck for them, didn't they figure this in as they were making a decision to switch? Imagine if you were a school that switched conferences and you knew that for the first few years, you would not get a full cut of the TV revenue...But then, because of your school- the conference is able to negotiate a much larger deal and you still don't even get a cut of that pie that wouldn't have been there without you.
That was a real dry pounding and yet, it was written ad agreed upon when we made the decision to make that move.

I ain't crying for any school that has a issue of a rule they knew was in place.
 
Yeah, don't really care.

You joined knowing the deal, don't cry about it now. Go back to FCS if it's so tough.
 
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The better question is why are they moving up in the first place?

NIL is supposed to be ruining college athletics and schools are going to be dropping down football.

Funny how the opposite is happening and teams keep moving UP to FBS.
 
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My initial question was - Why the "mandatory two-year transition period" ? What purpose does that serve?
Easy to see this is as more unnecessary bureaucracy, waste and ineptitude by the NCAA.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa...postseason-eligibility-waiver-request-reports
It’s basically what the NCAA has become.
They had teeth in the 80’s, but started getting sued and losing in the 90’s. Now they’re just trying to relevant, and still manage to look stupid. This ranks right up there with the Tez Walker case
 
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The two year transition allows teams to get ready to be competitive in FBS. It involves gradually upping your schedule from mostly FCS competition to mostly FBS competition, while increasing the schollies you have on roster, etc.

JMU (with scheduling help from the Sun Belt conference) had a full FBS schedule in year 1. With COVID waivers, JMU had a full FBS roster. JMU has the facilities needed. JMU exceeds the attendance minimums by a lot.

JMU met all of the requirements to be fully FBS well ahead of schedule. If the NCAA has a waiver process, this is exactly the type of situation you'd think it would be there for. Ah well. I guess the NY6 spot is Tulane's to lose.
 
Didn't Yukon go through this in the early 2000's in moving to FBS?
 
Follow the rules upon which you entered. No sympathy from me. If they weren't having a successful season and couldn't win a game, should their bowl ban be extended more than the agreed upon two years? They can be upset all they want, just dont cry and while about how the rules should change as a result of your success.
 
I forgot what school, but this same kind of thing happened with going to their conference tourny/NCAA tourny BBall bid last year. Good record and would of gone to the tourney but was denied due to just moving up in the league and the agreement.

JMU hasn't played much of anybody, they beat a very down Virginia by 1 point. That team will probably be teared apart by the transfer portal after the season. Coach may be poached as well.
 
Yea they can and probably will get into a bow but it's the NY6 bowl they would wanted a chance at but they can't be ranked by the CFP. Also they're locked out of the Sun Belt champ game. I think they got locked out last year too from the champ game in place of Coastal Carolina who they beat.

From the article:

“Requirements for members transitioning into FBS are based on factors beyond athletics performance. They are intended to ensure schools are properly evaluating their long-term sustainability in the subdivision,” the board committee said in a statement. “Sponsoring sports at this level requires increased scholarships, expanded athletics compliance efforts, and additional academic and mental health support for student-athletes, and the transition period is intended to give members time to adjust to those increased requirements to position student-athletes at those schools for long-term success.”

NY6? Hell, many P5 teams would be 10-0 with their schedule.
 
NY6? Hell, many P5 teams would be 10-0 with their schedule.
It’s not a P5 slot they would be taking. It would be because they could potentially be the highest ranked G5 which gets you a NY6 bowl. CFP doesn’t rank them and that’s the issue.
 
Boooo-hoooo-hooooo! Too bad. They agreed to this when they made the jump. Bottom line.
 
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