If deGrom opts out, as an owner I'd stay away from trying to sign him. Only 11 games and 66 innings in 2022. Despite his talent, his age and injury history would keep me out of the bidding assuming it's over 30.5 million.
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I agree with you. Given he is a 5/6 inning pitcher with a history of injuries the past couple years I would think long and hard about signing him to a big, long term contract.
I agree . Max and Degrom were supposed to be the difference in a short series. Guess what they weren’t. Twice
I was all in with deGrom all year- that he really was a must sign. A part of me still feels this way as we know if he goes elsewhere- he will end up being the next Verlander, winning Cy Youngs at 40.
But, I would be very careful now. But, careful with a plan.
The Met's had a hard time drawing crowds this year. Losing deGrom will put an extra sour note on to the end of this season. So, if he leaves, we better have a plan to bring another "draw" into town.
I do think both Nimmo and Diaz sign with us. I would bring Carrasco back, can we get someone better than Walker for his $$$?
I am also ok with having Escobar at 3B but we need another OF with pop.
I just don't see much in the next FA class outside of the big names we all know about. And we still do not have enough in the minors to pull off a huge trade.
But, I would be very careful now. But, careful with a plan.
The Met's had a hard time drawing crowds this year. Losing deGrom will put an extra sour note on to the end of this season. So, if he leaves, we better have a plan to bring another "draw" into town.
I do think both Nimmo and Diaz sign with us. I would bring Carrasco back, can we get someone better than Walker for his $$$?
I am also ok with having Escobar at 3B but we need another OF with pop.
I just don't see much in the next FA class outside of the big names we all know about. And we still do not have enough in the minors to pull off a huge trade.
It will soon be same old October Yankees, 13 years running. Are you really that dense?lol
Dude. You haven't won a series since 1986. You probably weren't even alive or aware.
and your fanbase couldn't even sell out game 3 of the wildcard.
now go away troll. The adults are playing now. Kids swim is over.
It's rich that Stanks fans are telling Mets fans that they're trolling in a Mets fans thread. Why are they even polluting the thread with all of this trash; because they're allowed to for some unbeknownst reason.
These threads have never but only about the Mets through the years. Esp with the Yankee zealots. Then you have the Phans chiming in as well as random fans from random teams like that Marlins fan that one year and the Padres fan this year. Why do you think the Mets thread is always at least 3 times bigger than the Yankee thread?
🤔 There’s a reason but I’m not getting banned from here. 🤐
Because Richard and the other mods don't give a crap about it. Even though it's breaking every one of their so-called rules.
Mets fans aren't going to want to hear this, but you will never reach the final goal with Showalter at the helm. He's a joyless taskmaster control freak who players respect when he's building a team, but when the spotlight is on, his teams always play tight. You'll have a couple of good seasons, lose in the playoffs, and then the behind the scenes grumbling will start to get louder and louder. The question is, will he leave behind a ready to win team like the Yanks or Dbacks, or decimate the organization like the Orioles.
Name one where there was more off the field business to handle. Almost half the active roster is or potentially is free agents.
Mets failed to sell out their last wildcard game on a Sunday night so doubt there is any player in mlb outside Aaron judge that could draw a crowd especially with increase in costs to go to game and a weakening economy. I don't think a splashy FA should play a role as I don't think it matters in reality.
With that said. I don't see how Mets can let degrom walk. He is a lifelong met and the organizations greatest player. Cohen is suppose to have the cash. He can eat it a little. Having degrom on your team next year makes your team better. Simple as that. If you want to win a WS. You need Jacob.
Your last sentence makes no sense and calls into question your entire post. The team manager is not empowered to make or break the organization as a whole.
The only thing it calls into question is your reading comprehension and understanding of how organizations work. \
I gotta say some of Buck s decisions or lack of them were puzzling down the stretch and on the wild card round
Specifically in the wild card round:
- Why no Walker and or Carrasco on opening roster. Team had no one to come on for long relief. It wasn’t Peterson
- Why did he stay with Max and Bassitt as long as he did in games 1 and 3? He waits until down 7 and down 3 to take each out when both had nothing. Shameful!
And don’t get me going on Eppler the dunce. Just ask Mike Trout.
I also think buck should have pitched jake game 1 and set the tone for that series.
Something wasn’t right with max . And Bassitt showed he didn’t have it Atlanta . I was puzzled he was a choice to start . I posted this earlier in the thread before game 3. the guy looked scared to death in Atlanta and couldn’t handle it
Had either Walker or Carrasco been on the initial roster and pitched on Friday, they would have been working on only two days rest. (The rainout on Monday hurt!) I think the team determined that they were unwilling to use either pitcher in relief on two days rest, given that neither was accustomed to the role. Then on Saturday, Rodriguez suddenly came up with a bogus injury and Walker was added. My guess is that they felt that they were willing to use Walker in long relief on three days rest, but not two.
A case can be made that Bassitt should have been pulled at 2-0 after two innings. But he then pitched a perfect third. It appeared that he had righted the ship. Pulling him at 3-0 after four seems right, and I won't second guess that decision.
Scherzer's story is similar. He was down 3-0 after two, but then pitched a perfect third and fourth. He too seemed to have righted the ship. Then he got ambushed on the fifth. He certainly should have been pulled at 6-0 (rather than 7-0) but in hindsight that seems immaterial. Did Scherzer's superstar status get him a longer leash? I guess we will never know.
One last point - if you don't want us to get you going on Eppler, why put the idea in our heads? 😉
Mets Final Report Card: From Max Scherzer to Buck Showalter, we grade them all for 2022
Mets Final Report Card: From Max Scherzer to Buck Showalter, we grade them all for 2022
While the Mets' 2022 season had a disappointing end, there were still numerous performances along the way that deserve appreciation.
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Eppler should be a D.Mets Final Report Card: From Max Scherzer to Buck Showalter, we grade them all for 2022
Mets Final Report Card: From Max Scherzer to Buck Showalter, we grade them all for 2022
While the Mets' 2022 season had a disappointing end, there were still numerous performances along the way that deserve appreciation.www.mycentraljersey.com
grading everything on the deadline and nothing for Max/Bassitt/Cahna/Escobar and not moving guys like Nimmo and or McNeil
Don't hold your breath for hin to do anything about it. It was last week or the week before that I came across him liking some anti-Mets stuff on Twitter.
Since this is a Mets offseason thread, please allow me to interrupt with some Mets offseason talk.
The Athletic published an interesting article today which broke down the Mets 43 man roster (including 3 on the 60 day IL) into nine tiers. It's behind a paywall, but I will summarize below:
TIER 1 - BUILDING BLOCKS
Max Scherzer
Pete Alonso
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
TIER 2 - THE BIGGEST QUESTION
Jacob deGrom
TIER 3 - LIKELY KEEPERS
Mark Canha
Eduardo Escobar
Luis Guillorme
Tomas Nido
David Peterson
Tylor Megill
Drew Smith
Daniel Vogelbach
TIER 4 - RISING YOUNG TALENT
Francisco Alvarez
Brett Baty
Mark Vientos
TIER 5 - THE OTHER DECISION
Carlos Carrasco
TIER 6 - TRADE CANDIDATES
Dominic Smith
Jose Butto
Ronny Mauricio
Khalil Lee
TIER 7 - POTENTIALLY USEFUL DEPTH
John Curtiss
Joey Lucchesi
Sean Reid-Foley
Bryce Montes de Oca
Stephen Nogosek
TIER 8 - ON SHAKIER GROUND
Darin Ruf
Terrance Gore
James McCann
Yoan Lopez
TIER 9 - FREE AGENTS
Edwin Diaz
Brandon Nimmo
Chris Bassitt
Taijuan Walker
Adam Ottavino
Seth Lugo
Trevor May
Joely Rodriguez
Trevor Williams
Mychal Givens
Tommy Hunter
Tyler Naquin
KInda sucks that the average age of your building blocks is on the wrong side of 30, but it is what it is.
The Athletic published an interesting article today which broke down the Mets 43 man roster (including 3 on the 60 day IL) into nine tiers. It's behind a paywall, but I will summarize below:
TIER 1 - BUILDING BLOCKS
Max Scherzer
Pete Alonso
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
TIER 2 - THE BIGGEST QUESTION
Jacob deGrom
TIER 3 - LIKELY KEEPERS
Mark Canha
Eduardo Escobar
Luis Guillorme
Tomas Nido
David Peterson
Tylor Megill
Drew Smith
Daniel Vogelbach
TIER 4 - RISING YOUNG TALENT
Francisco Alvarez
Brett Baty
Mark Vientos
TIER 5 - THE OTHER DECISION
Carlos Carrasco
TIER 6 - TRADE CANDIDATES
Dominic Smith
Jose Butto
Ronny Mauricio
Khalil Lee
TIER 7 - POTENTIALLY USEFUL DEPTH
John Curtiss
Joey Lucchesi
Sean Reid-Foley
Bryce Montes de Oca
Stephen Nogosek
TIER 8 - ON SHAKIER GROUND
Darin Ruf
Terrance Gore
James McCann
Yoan Lopez
TIER 9 - FREE AGENTS
Edwin Diaz
Brandon Nimmo
Chris Bassitt
Taijuan Walker
Adam Ottavino
Seth Lugo
Trevor May
Joely Rodriguez
Trevor Williams
Mychal Givens
Tommy Hunter
Tyler Naquin
KInda sucks that the average age of your building blocks is on the wrong side of 30, but it is what it is.
Everybody relax here. Let's cut out the bs going back and forth and get this thread back on track.
Doesn’t deGrom also fit into free agent or are they not putting him there until he officially opts out?
Hi Richie- it's the same BS that goes on in the weather threads. 2-4 posters (Yankees fans) come in and just start shit. Pretty easy to ban them from the thread, isn't it?
I think the writer of the article was just taking liberties to highlight the importance of the deGrom decision, and the Mets decision on whether to give him a blank check.
By contrast, Gary Cohen has stated that the Mets most important FA is Nimmo.
Max Scherzer, Tier 1 because of his money but clearly his health and innings have to be managed better going forward. Late season breakdowns 2 years in a row to me spells it will only get worse. deGrom I feel isn't worth more than 2 years, he came up late after Tommy John in the minors, is older and lost his big money window.
Edwin Diaz
Brandon Nimmo
Adam Ottavino
Seth Lugo
Trevor May
are keepers.
Francisco Alvarez
Brett Baty
Mark Vientos must be worked in as starters somewhere.
Mark Canha
Eduardo Escobar
Luis Guillorme
Tomas Nido
David Peterson
Tylor Megill are keepers. The key to any success going forward are these guys, they fail, we fail.
Pete Alonso
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
Edwin Diaz
Brandon Nimmo
Adam Ottavino
Seth Lugo
Trevor May
are keepers.
Francisco Alvarez
Brett Baty
Mark Vientos must be worked in as starters somewhere.
Mark Canha
Eduardo Escobar
Luis Guillorme
Tomas Nido
David Peterson
Tylor Megill are keepers. The key to any success going forward are these guys, they fail, we fail.
Pete Alonso
Francisco Lindor
Starling Marte
Jeff McNeil
Mike Mayer of Metsmerized Online is reporting that the Mets are making a strong push to lock up Diaz before free agency begins (five days after WS ends). DeGrom and Nimmo, on the other hand, definitely plan to test the market.
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Sources: Mets Hope to Sign Edwin Díaz Before Free Agency Starts - Metsmerized Online
Sources have told MMO the Mets will make a strong push to sign star closer Edwin Díaz before free agency kicks off five days after the conclusion of the World Series. Mets owner Steve Cohen realizes the value that Díaz has on the field as well as the excitement he brings to Citi Field with […]
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deGrom would look good in a Yankees uniform.Mike Mayer of Metsmerized Online is reporting that the Mets are making a strong push to lock up Diaz before free agency begins (five days after WS ends). DeGrom and Nimmo, on the other hand, definitely plan to test the market.
Sources: Mets Hope to Sign Edwin Díaz Before Free Agency Starts - Metsmerized Online
Sources have told MMO the Mets will make a strong push to sign star closer Edwin Díaz before free agency kicks off five days after the conclusion of the World Series. Mets owner Steve Cohen realizes the value that Díaz has on the field as well as the excitement he brings to Citi Field with […]
He would but…would the new Yankees want 40+ in Judge, 40+ deGrom, 30+ in both Stanton and Cole?
and then what happens when younger talent like Soto and others come available?
The Mets have to, HAVE TO put in a huge number on Judge. If for no other reason than to up the price the Yankees or other teams will pay for him, thus maybe giving the Mets a shot at getting someone they really want for less or with less competition. deGrom is tremendous and so is Judge but deGrom as did Max showed wear and tear at the end of the season and Judge remained healthy for the first time since his Rookie year. I'm going to take a pass on both and just bid to raise the price, my take.
If the Met's feel deGrom is leaning elsewhere, they should actually go balls out on Judge and make a real play on him.
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