OT: New York Mets 2022-2023 Off Season Thread
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I think the Met's will offer the best contract- the question is, does Jake want to stay? He is always so tight about it that there is no way to know what he really has been thinking.
I still think he has at least 1 more CY in him. Would be nice to see it here and have him retire as a True Met.
I think that’s why he comes back . Uncle Steve remembers Seaver and that debacle .if jake comes back and wins another cy young and another pennant (not getting hopes up for World Series), he’s gonna get a smaller statue and street out there . Degrom drive next to seaver way
Uncle Steve is very PR conscious. One reason that he wants to lock up Diaz early is that he is a fan favorite, as is his entrance music.
Diaz has seemed to be vocal in wanting to come back too. Nimmo sounded that way and excited they were talking right after the AS game but haven't heard much there lately. I do love Nimmo but not sure if he is a true $20+ mil player.
I just don't see deGrom being allowed to pitch enough innings to get another Cy Young.
disagree- 30 starts, even if just 6 innings is 180 innings- if he pitches to a under 2.20 and less than 1 walk per 9 and 12-14k per 9 - he has proven to be in the top consideration.
Saw an interesting article in the Athletic (paywall) that outlined the Mets luxury tax hell.
The author put together a hypothetical 26 man roster consisting only of players under team control. No free agents. The total payroll (including Cano and buyouts) came to $225M! That would be fourth highest in the majors - before a single free agent is signed or re-signed.
In terms of position players, this hypothetical roster is not bad. The only key departure would be Nimmo. He could be replaced by Marte, and the Mets could fill in behind him.
But the pitching, och! Carrasco jumps in the rotation from #5 to #2. Drew Smith is the closer, with a lot of no names in front of him.
My point is this: IF (big if) the Mets are operating under any kind of budget constraints, don't be surprised if they let Nimmo walk. They will need some serious coin to spend on pitching, as they have little on the roster and even less on the immediate horizon.
HOWEVER, if Uncle Steve says "Damn the luxury tax, full speed ahead", then you can forget about this post. And no, you won't get that two minutes of your life back. Sorry.
The author put together a hypothetical 26 man roster consisting only of players under team control. No free agents. The total payroll (including Cano and buyouts) came to $225M! That would be fourth highest in the majors - before a single free agent is signed or re-signed.
In terms of position players, this hypothetical roster is not bad. The only key departure would be Nimmo. He could be replaced by Marte, and the Mets could fill in behind him.
But the pitching, och! Carrasco jumps in the rotation from #5 to #2. Drew Smith is the closer, with a lot of no names in front of him.
My point is this: IF (big if) the Mets are operating under any kind of budget constraints, don't be surprised if they let Nimmo walk. They will need some serious coin to spend on pitching, as they have little on the roster and even less on the immediate horizon.
HOWEVER, if Uncle Steve says "Damn the luxury tax, full speed ahead", then you can forget about this post. And no, you won't get that two minutes of your life back. Sorry.
Here is how Steve will look at it- if, I go up and over the tax- what is my return? Does it mean I only profit 50mil rather than 120mil?
If I let them walk and try to fill it in cheap- does it mean I don't profit for the next 3 years.
Also- keep in mind- he is a Met's fan and it is important to him not to have other fans look at him as another Doubleday...
Wow, TV just showed Rosario jumping up and down and outside the dugout. Good for him. I always loved him as a Met. Gimmenz's year has surprised me. I never saw him as an offensive player.
So I wonder how many players currently still alive in the playoffs are possible trade bait or free agents who have shown themselves to be playoff performers? Nothing can predict how players will show themselves until you actually see them under the big lights. I've said it before, go all in, big $$$$ on the big names. At the very least you drive up the price and clear the competition for the players you are really targeting. That tactic was used against the Mets for decades, not anymore. There's a new Boss in town.
It's early, no real action to the off season but, I'd still throw a ton at Judge to make the Yankees pay more than they want. I don't want him for the price or the years I'm sure he'll ask for. Only year he's stayed on the field since his rookie year, I'll pass. Here's a couple of options that the Mets might look into. https://risingapple.com/posts/ny-mets-free-agent-targets-monster-lineup-aaron-judge-trea-turner
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30 starts over the length of his next contract seems do-able.
I’ve mentioned this before- Turner or Bogarts. Either at 2B or 3rd and move McNeil to the other spot or OF.
Or maybe we find a way to trade for Devers.
and of these make the Mets so much better.
I like the idea of Turner at second with McNeil in left. Make Canha 4th outfielder to rotate all 3 OF positions
The key would be to also keep Nimmo. One could only Imagin an infield of Alonso, Turner, Lindor, Escobar and an OF of McNeil, Nimmo, Marte with Alverez getting most of the DH but get him behind the plate for about 50 games next year.
Or swap out Bogarts for Turner, and I am still good.
Next year do we still want Escobar full time or give the keys to Baty and let Escobar wait in the wings if Baty falls flat on his face?
Escobar...100% - bring Baty in slow. Swap DH time with Alvarez and give him 30 games or so at 3B.
Escobar is not as bad as his first 60 of the season and not as good as how he ended. But, most likely a .250/.260 guy with 20-30 HR and great glove and clubhouse.
We are not in a rebuild and Escobar gives us the luxury to bring a kid like Baty up the right way.
Same at Catcher- Nido had a really good season and it shows he has the capability to be productive. Allows us to put Alvarez/Baty mostly DH with 30-50 games for each of these guys in the Catcher/3B positions.
On a different note- watching Cleveland play- I am enjoying watching Rosario and Gimenez play and no hard feelings- trade has worked out for both sides.
Clev was not going to spend Lindor money. Met's had the money and needed a splash.
Last year, it looked like it was almost a lose/lose for both sides or at best- ehhhhh
But for Clev- AR had a great season and Gimenez played lights out and both are only coming to arbitration. For us- Lindor became what we hoped we payed for and will be the dual face of Met's baseball with Alonso for years.
Clev was not going to spend Lindor money. Met's had the money and needed a splash.
Last year, it looked like it was almost a lose/lose for both sides or at best- ehhhhh
But for Clev- AR had a great season and Gimenez played lights out and both are only coming to arbitration. For us- Lindor became what we hoped we payed for and will be the dual face of Met's baseball with Alonso for years.
You know what's a bad look Troll, Yankees fans booing Judge during game #2. Talk about front runners, your fanbase doesn't deserve him, and if he bolts, look no further than that ignorant opic seen across the country that night. PS. Don't come a knocking after the fact if you don't have the balls to talk $hit before tonight's game.
Out of respect for what the mods said I'm not going to go after you. You know the teams still playing and those that aren't. Maybe the yanks win or lose tonight. Maybe it gets rained out. Doesn't take away from the disappointment the Mets final month was.
I'm confident judge will be a Yankee next season. He wants to be a Yankee. Granted he likely signs largest contract but think it is Yankees to lose.
Respect that you are trying to keep it civil and a conversation. I am ok with that. Hopefully- RUF2008 - please don't turn into a shouting match.
But as a conversation- If Yanks win tonight, then and only then do they really finish any better than the Met's. If both teams cannot get our of their first series- then neither has any bragging rights in 2022.
And yes, we do have a lot to be pissed about over the last 2 weeks- we had Nats/Mia and then head to head with the Braves and we couldn't get it done. Disappointment in the season, of course. Disappointment in our team, not so much. 4 teams finished with 100+ wins- we were one of them. We played strong in the first as well as the 2nd half- we just happened to get the hottest team in baseball in our division.
All in All- both teams had ups and downs- Major down not getting out of the first series for us. If the Yanks lose tonight- it is just as big of a disappointment for you guys as well.
Bigger if they lose to the team with the lowest payroll in the sport. In fact it would be the biggest monetary gap in history. Just saying. Nice to see the tone down version of you. Wondering what version shows up if you win? Still won't forget last week human nature. Shouting match, so it's sort of like a bean ball war. first team gets a free pass and the other team gets a warning without the chance of retribution lol
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Still haven't heard from kbee, is he in exile again or just talks after the results?
Who gives a rats 💩??? Take that garbage to your board.
Just a clarification - Rosario is entering his final ARB year in 2023, where he is projected to make $8.8M. He'll be a free agent in 2024, and will no doubt be in demand. He is no longer a bargain by Cleveland standards.
Gimenez is still a bargain. He doesn't become arbitration eligible until 2024.
It's funny- superfan actually came in with something that could be reasonably discussed but proud just couldn't help himself. And we have pretty much just allowed them all to enjoy and discuss the yankee playoffs on their own.
but if they get 3 years from Rosario and his highest salary in those 3 is 8.8- they certainly get their money worth if he has another year like this one.
And with Gimenez- up until this year- it would have been, ok- nice utility player for utility money. But he just stepped up into a huge role for them and they will keep him at a good rate for a min 2 more years.
They got their free shot at the Mets failure several shots actually, it won't go without a payback when they crap the bed. All is fair play no? Not the time to play nice nice while it's an active season thread or did I misunderstand that?
I agree if it is an active thread. if they lose tonight, go at them on their playoff thread but then back off when it becomes the off season thread.
100% fair but I'll bet the house they'll break that rule before we do, then the spin will be it wasn't them,lol. Time will tell.
True. Are you counting players who aren't clutch performers but illegally steal signs in big spots to boost their performance?
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