I agree. Leash your dogs. They are crapping all over the place. Your boy 2008 isn't even a Mets fan. Just a Yankees hater. Also banned under another screen name.
OT: New York Mets 2022-2023 Off Season Thread
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I got nothing to do with anyone here. I got my own problems. With there was no bs here but this is the Rutgers Board after all.
Alvarez scares me with his body type. At only 20 years old, I'll be generous and say he's "thick". Playing the position of catcher at that weight or if he gets heavier will play havoc on his knees. I hope he takes off season workouts and diet seriously. Just like the old adage goes, if you can hit, they'll find a position for you, and that's how I feel about Baty. Some 3B and some LF. Mark Vientos has hit at every level and at the very least I see him as a JD Davis type hitter with more upside, also without a true defensive position. At 19 years old Alex Ramirez has moved up quickly and at 6'3" and only 170lbs, he's already shown power numbers and been moved into MLB Top 100. The organization has finally shown they're willing to invest in scouting and development of International players. Steve Cohen's vision is to finally produce a farm system that not only replenishes the Mets with one or two players,hopefully every year but develops depth for major trades. I finally feel it's going to happen. Growing up with the Joan Payson ownership through the Doubleday and then Doubleday/Wilpon{coupon} days, this franchise is finally on track with Uncle Stevie Cohen. Unlike when the NY Giants ownership was paralyzed by Mara family in fighting that led to years of Giants sucking, the NFL stepped in picked George Young, he gave Ray Perkins a shot, then took a chance on Parsell's and the rest is history. Here MLB and other owners did everything they could to stop Cohen from buying the team. We all know his history, and he paid the price, a big price for his Wall St. dealings. Other owners have been suspended for wrong doings and if put under a microscope on how they came to be so rich, we might be looking at a couple more suspects. I'm all for second chances. Another winter of 'wait till next year", so be it, there's still plenty of baseball to watch and hot stove winter/spring moves to make. LGM
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Well said.
Don’t forget about one historical owner who was banned from baseball twice but he’s beloved to this day.
Is it me or there would be an investigation of biblical proportions if this was said/ rumored/ thought of about the Mets and Steve Cohen for 2023??? But since it’s AOK since this is the Dodgers.
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Holy crap, imagine that lineup and payroll? What the hell would ticket prices and parking be to cover that roster?
$1000 for last row upper deck where all the YouTube beer brawls happen.
And you know what? Manfred would allow the Dodgers to have that lineup with little to no penalty while The Dan Patrick show slurp jerk Dave Roberts before their hideous Mock Headlines
C'mon man. This isn't reality. It isn't a hot rumor. It isn't even informed speculation. It's some guy making shit up.
I can’t tell you how hard this is to watch.
Phillies and padres throw out these two gigantic pieces of 💩 to pitch game 4
Mets would have to make decision between 15-7 Carlos Carrasco or 12-5 Tijuan Walker
Phillies and padres throw out these two gigantic pieces of 💩 to pitch game 4
Mets would have to make decision between 15-7 Carlos Carrasco or 12-5 Tijuan Walker
Ballgame OVER
Series OVER
Season OVER
Thhh uh uh uh uh uh uh yankeeeees lose !!!
Series OVER
Season OVER
Thhh uh uh uh uh uh uh yankeeeees lose !!!
Agree- let’s keep it Met’s off season. There is a MLB post season thread if you want to bust on them there.
There are no words that can capture my feelings completely so I'll just let it go unsaid. PS. Can't get in trouble for that. 😁
Except the team needs to get there for them to pitch.
Interesting article in The Athletic (paywall) about Nimmo's free agency. It estimates that he will eventually sign for 5 years $115MM, comparable to Javy Baez. Or maybe 7 for $140MM, trading off additional years for a lower AAV. We know there will be no hometown discount. Boras don't play that.
Possible competitors include Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers (if they decide to move on from Bellinger) and Rangers. Seems like the Rangers are mentioned for every FA in baseball.
Bottom line from the article is that the extent of the Mets interest may depend on whether they think Marte can play an adequate CF for the next couple of years. If they don't, then Marte becomes a must sign. They have no in house replacement. The closest is Mangum who is not viewed as a potential starter.
But if they do think Marte can play CF, then the Mets may conclude that Nimmo's offense can be replaced elsewhere, possibly internally.
Possible competitors include Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers (if they decide to move on from Bellinger) and Rangers. Seems like the Rangers are mentioned for every FA in baseball.
Bottom line from the article is that the extent of the Mets interest may depend on whether they think Marte can play an adequate CF for the next couple of years. If they don't, then Marte becomes a must sign. They have no in house replacement. The closest is Mangum who is not viewed as a potential starter.
But if they do think Marte can play CF, then the Mets may conclude that Nimmo's offense can be replaced elsewhere, possibly internally.
Nimmo is the interesting one-
Diaz- no brainer, there just isn't anyone that can replace him
deGrom - depends on if he really wants to stay here or move on.
Bassitt and other pitchers- outside of deGrom, Bassitt may be the only must have.
But Nimmo- Outside of OBP, almost all his stats can be replaced. Not high BA, not big power, doesn't steal and can be streaking. And we all know of injury issue.
But...we can't lose him and not have a plan. This dude plays baseball the way it should be played, has made himself into a great CF and even though, not a single stat stands out- every team has him on their minds when we play them.
(Marte/Nimmo) locked up for the next 3-4 years together is a very good 2/3 of an outfield.
I love Nimmo but to me he is not worth $115 million. Put Marte back in center, Canha stays in left and try Vientos/Maurico in right or sign a bat for RF. Put the money into pitching. McNeil can leadoff with Marte batting second followed by Lindor and Pete. We need one more power bat to give depth to the lineup and then focus on pitching.
I love Nimmo but also am not sure he’s worth that money especially with the amount he gets injured. His intangibles will be hard to replace. However, I don’t like Marte in center at all any longer. He wasn’t even good in right. Too old.
Or -try to see if Turner or Bogarts would be willing to play2B and move McNeil into the OF...
That is a possibility. There are four high end FA shortstops this year - Swanson (expected to re-sign with ATL, but you never know), Correa (if he opts out), Turner, and Bogarts. There won't be many customers at that price point. Supply may exceed demand.
Barring that, a couple of other options:
1) Move McNeil to right, and Guillorme to 2B.
2) Or McNeil to right, Escobar to 2B, and Baty to 3B.
Even if we sign Nimmo- Turner or Bogarts would be my prime non- pitching FA's this year. I'm not as high on Correa
Imagine a defensive infield- outside of 1B of 2b)Turner/Bogarts ss) Lindor 3B) Escobar
Would love to find a way to trade for Devers but that may take us trading McNeil.
Imagine a defensive infield- outside of 1B of 2b)Turner/Bogarts ss) Lindor 3B) Escobar
Would love to find a way to trade for Devers but that may take us trading McNeil.
Some off season musings on my part. Question #1 would you still make the Lindor trade today seeing how well Gimenz played at 2B and Rosario at SS?
Question #2 - Not that it would ever happen but would you trade Alvarez and Baty plus another prospect for Sandy Alcantra?
Question #2 - Not that it would ever happen but would you trade Alvarez and Baty plus another prospect for Sandy Alcantra?
Question 1 - easy answer- this is the Cohen Met's, not the DD Met's...Would make the Lindor trade every day- any day. In NYC- having a Bonafided Star at a position like SS pays for itself. And while I think it worked out for both teams- I expect AR to be decent to OK at SS for another handful of years and then stick for a few more after that and AG- who knows, but neither will be Lindor.
Question 2 - Tough call...If Alvarez lives up to potential- you are talking about a Catcher that could be a .260 30+ HR guy for a while. We have the money to buy pitching if needed.
The other part of #1 that I even said during his first bad year- Lindor will finish at NY Met's holding or sharing just about every team record along with Dave Wright. Alonso may get the HR/RBI but Lindor will pretty much be top 1-5 in every single category.
Yes on Question#1 and a hard No on question #2. To trade 2 high end players, potential 10 year players for a pitcher that could break down at any time no thanks. Not many pitchers have long careers at a high level. Very few, and the Mets haven't had much luck with long term success with pitchers in the last couple of decades.
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Tough day for all you Luis Rojas fans out there. Got passed over for the Marlins MGR job which went to Skip Schumacher. Rojas had been a finalist, but there are no silver medals.
Talk of Diaz not signing with the Mets would be an epic disaster, on the scale of the Yankees not signing Judge.I don't see it happening. The Mets bullpen would be even a bigger disaster and there are a few holes to fill without starting over for a closer. I've said the Mets have the power now to make teams spend more money than they'd like to for players and this one paragraph pretty much says that. For years, the Yankees pretty much did that to the Mets, so now we'll see."""Only problem: what if the New York Mets don’t take kindly to the Yankees trying to poach their closer? Could it trigger retribution in the form of a bidding war between the Bronx and Queens for Aaron Judge? And if that happens, it’s hard to picture anyone outbidding Mets owner Steve Cohen, especially after his club’s early exit from the playoffs this year."""
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While I am pretty sure the Mets will re-sign Diaz, I would not define failure to do so as an epic disaster. There are two valid reasons not to break the bank on him.
1) Relief pitchers are so volatile. Will Diaz ever match his 2022 performance?
2) Mets need to remake their entire bullpen, not just closer. For what it would take to sign Diaz, you could sign four Ottavino-types. Which is the more prudent expenditure?
Item 2 of course only matters if you are on a budget. We'll see if Cohen is.
I am inclined to re-sign Diaz, torn on Jake and ok with Nimmo walking. If Jake and Nimmo leave that's a combined $40 million off the books. We could sign 3-4 decent players with that cash. We got as far as we did without Jake for most of last year. His $$$ may be better spent spread around elsewhere. I could live with a Max, Megill, Peterson, Carrasco and try to get Bassit back as the rotation.
The thing holding me back is will the question of whether Jake becomes Verlander with a full off season to build up his strength and stamina or is he going to be a mortal 35 year old with his best days behind him?
The thing holding me back is will the question of whether Jake becomes Verlander with a full off season to build up his strength and stamina or is he going to be a mortal 35 year old with his best days behind him?
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Disagree about Diaz mostly. You take the chance that his magic is back and you have a top closer for 3-5 years.
even if it isn’t a repeat of 22 or 18, he really only has his one bad year.
there only a handful of closers out there that are even close.
a $20 mil gamble on him may be worth it and I don’t believe it would stop us from signing a couple of other guys.
Nimmo- I think they try their best to sign him but will allow someone to outbid their number.
DeGrom- they know more about his health than we do, so, I’ll trust their decision- I don’t think they offer more than 3 years though.
That rotation while decent would not be a title worthy one. Not unless Megill and Peterson up their games and become more consistent, and the others can perform at a high level thru the entirety of the season.
Very true and a year older wouldn't matter except pitchers north of mid- 30's doesn't always have a happy ending.
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