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OT: New York Mets 2022-2023 Off Season Thread

So, let's say the Met's let deGrom go and offset that in part by signing Diaz, Nimmo, Bassitt.
They then sign Carasco a couple of BP arms and make a big splash with a Bogarts or Turner.

Would you all sign up for that?

And would it be realistic?
 
So, let's say the Met's let deGrom go and offset that in part by signing Diaz, Nimmo, Bassitt.
They then sign Carasco a couple of BP arms and make a big splash with a Bogarts or Turner.

Would you all sign up for that?

And would it be realistic?
I'd sign for that, like someone else said, the Mets won 101 games without deGrom for 4 months.
 
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So, let's say the Met's let deGrom go and offset that in part by signing Diaz, Nimmo, Bassitt.
They then sign Carasco a couple of BP arms and make a big splash with a Bogarts or Turner.

Would you all sign up for that?

And would it be realistic?
Would I sign up for it? Yes, in a heartbeat.

Would it be realistic? Who knows? Cohen has hinted in the past that $300MM (which would be a new MLB record) was his target. This would take him well above that. Can he afford to spend it? Of course. Would he? That is the question.
 
Would I sign up for it? Yes, in a heartbeat.

Would it be realistic? Who knows? Cohen has hinted in the past that $300MM (which would be a new MLB record) was his target. This would take him well above that. Can he afford to spend it? Of course. Would he? That is the question.
how about a slight alteration. We lose both deGrom and Nimmo but do all the rest. Would have us closer to the 300 mil but can Marte cover CF anymore?
 
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how about a slight alteration. We lose both deGrom and Nimmo but do all the rest. Would have us closer to the 300 mil but can Marte cover CF anymore?
THAT is the question. If he can, then we can slide McNeil into RF and it opens up a whole set of options.
 
Judging from his RF play, he can’t play CF any longer.
In fairness, his leg was hurt much of the year which may have affected his ability to play the field. The pickings are slim on the free agent market for CF. I wonder if Maurico would get a look in the OF as he seems athletic and is blocked in the infield.
 
THAT is the question. If he can, then we can slide McNeil into RF and it opens up a whole set of options.

In fairness, his leg was hurt much of the year which may have affected his ability to play the field. The pickings are slim on the free agent market for CF. I wonder if Maurico would get a look in the OF as he seems athletic and is blocked in the infield.
That is why I could only think of either we have to sign Nimmo or we are going to have to live with Marte in Center. As I would hate to hope any of the FA's out there would be able to play of like Nimmo and also be a good offensive player.

If Marte could play CF for the next two years- then the option would be to move McNeil into RF and spend money on Turner or Bogarts.

On a different thought, it sounds like Judge may really consider options out there- do you have Uncle Stevie play in that game to at least raise Judge's price tag? Maybe try to steal him away from the Yanks? Might be a huge short term positive but maybe a bigger long term negative. I find it interesting that you only hear Yankee's or Giants for Judge, you would think that his agent would be floating other rumors around soon to help drive up his price.

And which would be the bigger gamble in general, if you are a GM out there? deGrom with a 3/140+ Max S type deal or a Judge 8/300+
 
Both would be huge gambles, but Judge at 8 years is a mistake. Pretty sure if Judge leaves The Dead Zone would have a meltdown, but him leaving for the West Coast would soften the blow. If he ever left to come crosstown,LMFAO imagine that playing out!!!!
 
Both would be huge gambles, but Judge at 8 years is a mistake. Pretty sure if Judge leaves The Dead Zone would have a meltdown, but him leaving for the West Coast would soften the blow. If he ever left to come crosstown,LMFAO imagine that playing out!!!!
One of the things that I wonder with Judge...staying here in NY as a Yankee- isn't he more likely to have the 8 figure endorsement deals than if he is in SF? I don't believe Judge will have more "almost" triple crowns with 60+ HR but if healthy, I'm sure he will have at least 4-5 years of 35-45 HR .280-.300...if he is doing that as a lifelong Yankee with the C on his shirt, that has to mean more money and just so much more lifetime satisfaction than if he does the same in SF. It just seems like he becomes just a face in the crowd out there.
Perfect example- would Jeter have been an automatic first ballet HOF if he played half his career in SF?
 
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One of the things that I wonder with Judge...staying here in NY as a Yankee- isn't he more likely to have the 8 figure endorsement deals than if he is in SF? I don't believe Judge will have more "almost" triple crowns with 60+ HR but if healthy, I'm sure he will have at least 4-5 years of 35-45 HR .280-.300...if he is doing that as a lifelong Yankee with the C on his shirt, that has to mean more money and just so much more lifetime satisfaction than if he does the same in SF. It just seems like he becomes just a face in the crowd out there.
Perfect example- would Jeter have been an automatic first ballet HOF if he played half his career in SF?
Well, he must have impressed writers from every corner of the country to go in first ballot. Those type players are recognized across the sport. What I'm surprised at is the lack of commercials some of these guys do. Making that kind of money during the season and for tax reasons I guess it's better after they retire, but not really sure. I'd never want the Mets to tie up huge amounts of money in Judge or deGrom, since age and injury walk hand in hand. I know it's no guarantee, but I like the young kids and restocking the farm. As Mets fans we're used to it. Not sure, if Yankees fans have a stomach for that sort of thing.WFAN reported this morning that Mariano Rivera speaking at an event said if he was Yankee ownership Judge doesn't come back. Jeter was asked yesterday also and was evasive.Very telling,and I'm sure Yankees brass is hearing this from several people.
 
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Well, he must have impressed writers from every corner of the country to go in first ballot. Those type players are recognized across the sport. What I'm surprised at is the lack of commercials some of these guys do. Making that kind of money during the season and for tax reasons I guess it's better after they retire, but not really sure. I'd never want the Mets to tie up huge amounts of money in Judge or deGrom, since age and injury walk hand in hand. I know it's no guarantee, but I like the young kids and restocking the farm. As Mets fans we're used to it. Not sure, if Yankees fans have a stomach for that sort of thing.
Understood but Met’s didn’t spend 40+ on Max to wait. And the hard thing for the Met’s this year coming up, we don’t have pitching talent in the minors that are ready
 
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Sure wish we could have a do over on the Baez for PCA trade right now. That would provide more flexibility in making a decision on Nimmo. It looks like that trade is not going to age well although I admit to thinking the same way about the Kelenic deal and the jury is out on that one. At least there Diaz produced at a high level for a couple of years.

I am still of the opinion the Mets grossly overpaid for Lindor from a contract extension perspective and that Cleveland did well given the situation on the return. Cleveland's farm system is loaded. Their GM is the one we should have a higher priority last year. Evidently he was not interested.
 
Sure wish we could have a do over on the Baez for PCA trade right now. That would provide more flexibility in making a decision on Nimmo. It looks like that trade is not going to age well although I admit to thinking the same way about the Kelenic deal and the jury is out on that one. At least there Diaz produced at a high level for a couple of years.

I am still of the opinion the Mets grossly overpaid for Lindor from a contract extension perspective and that Cleveland did well given the situation on the return. Cleveland's farm system is loaded. Their GM is the one we should have a higher priority last year. Evidently he was not interested.
Agree with Baez. Not so sure with Lindor. I don’t think we win over 100 this year with Rosario, Gimenez. And we got Lindor at a good age. By the time his contract is over, he will be up there with David Wright with just about every Met record. And in 3-4 years, his yearly pay will not seem so crazy.
 
Nimmo is the interesting one-
Diaz- no brainer, there just isn't anyone that can replace him
deGrom - depends on if he really wants to stay here or move on.
Bassitt and other pitchers- outside of deGrom, Bassitt may be the only must have.

But Nimmo- Outside of OBP, almost all his stats can be replaced. Not high BA, not big power, doesn't steal and can be streaking. And we all know of injury issue.
But...we can't lose him and not have a plan. This dude plays baseball the way it should be played, has made himself into a great CF and even though, not a single stat stands out- every team has him on their minds when we play them.
(Marte/Nimmo) locked up for the next 3-4 years together is a very good 2/3 of an outfield.
I may be wrong, but I recall hearing that the Mets will receive less attractive draft picks in return for any current players that they tender who are then signed by other teams as free agents because the Mets are so far above the salary cap. Something like a fourth rounder. If true, and knowing that the Mets will obviously lose no picks if they sign their own free agents, I think that the Mets very well may err on the side of resigning their own free agents this off season.
 
Agree with Baez. Not so sure with Lindor. I don’t think we win over 100 this year with Rosario, Gimenez. And we got Lindor at a good age. By the time his contract is over, he will be up there with David Wright with just about every Met record. And in 3-4 years, his yearly pay will not seem so crazy.
Wonder if the Cubs would trade PCA back. They had a couple of young outfielders playing last season who appear to be ahead of PCA on their depth chart.
 
Wonder if the Cubs would trade PCA back. They had a couple of young outfielders playing last season who appear to be ahead of PCA on their depth chart.
The kick in the balls on this trade wasn’t even Baez. He performed as expected but the rest of the team tanked. Was he a bad influence on Lindor? Maybe. But if the rest of the team performed, he would have done exactly what the trade was made for.
 
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Understood but Met’s didn’t spend 40+ on Max to wait. And the hard thing for the Met’s this year coming up, we don’t have pitching talent in the minors that are ready
Agree, and for an organization that always produced very good pitchers to be in this position currently is sad.
 
The kick in the balls on this trade wasn’t even Baez. He performed as expected but the rest of the team tanked. Was he a bad influence on Lindor? Maybe. But if the rest of the team performed, he would have done exactly what the trade was made for.
100% Baez had to go and his influence on Lindor set him back with the fans until his great year we just witnessed.
 
The kick in the balls on this trade wasn’t even Baez. He performed as expected but the rest of the team tanked. Was he a bad influence on Lindor? Maybe. But if the rest of the team performed, he would have done exactly what the trade was made for.
I thought the team was done before the trade was made. It reeked of desperation. Trade never should have been made since the team was going nowhere last year, with or without Baez.
 
I may be wrong, but I recall hearing that the Mets will receive less attractive draft picks in return for any current players that they tender who are then signed by other teams as free agents because the Mets are so far above the salary cap. Something like a fourth rounder. If true, and knowing that the Mets will obviously lose no picks if they sign their own free agents, I think that the Mets very well may err on the side of resigning their own free agents this off season.
You are correct.
 
I thought the team was done before the trade was made. It reeked of desperation. Trade never should have been made since the team was going nowhere last year, with or without Baez.
Agree. We were doing it with mirrors and then deGrom goes down and Walker has a crappy 2nd half, etc.
there also just seemed like no one on the team got along. Vs this year where the whole atmosphere of the team seem completely opposite. And don’t you figure- this would have been the year to trade a PCA for Baez type of year to stay ahead of the Braves.
 
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Was he the one responsible for the trade with the Padres that basically led to players giving up on the season? IIRC the players were stunned when their closer was traded.
 
Was he the one responsible for the trade with the Padres that basically led to players giving up on the season? IIRC the players were stunned when their closer was traded.
Yes he was. He has a contract that runs one more year and is talking like he will be around to see the transition through. Do the Mets wait another year for him?
 
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Yes he was. He has a contract that runs one more year and is talking like he will be around to see the transition through. Do the Mets wait another year for him?
I would wait another year if the Brewers want serious compensation for his services. That would give Eppler one more year to prove himself. If the Mets falter again next year bring in Stearns and clean house.
 
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Yeah Stearns isn't GM anymore. He was the POBO there which is what Mets would look at him as.
Unless they look at him as President, which would be a promotion, which would make it harder for Attanasio to refuse to release him.

Mets technically have two vacancies. My guess is that filling the President role is the priority. Right now there is a large organizational gap between Cohen and Eppler.
 
I would wait another year if the Brewers want serious compensation for his services. That would give Eppler one more year to prove himself. If the Mets falter again next year bring in Stearns and clean house.
Eppler should get a 2nd season. He had a great offseason on who he brought in and who he didn’t trade. But a horrible trade deadline.
 
If Mets didn’t crap the bed , the forgotten man (Williams)in the PCA trade would’ve played a key role in helping pitching staff survive all the injuries. If the Mets are playing Houston instead of Philly this Friday the trade would look much better.
It’s not about MVP’s and records , to me its only about getting a championship

I would never ever ever choose watching 15 years of a fully healthy Mike Trout over 1 World Series. Making a crappy Baez trade should not have made you gun shy on pulling off a big trade this year. I have to assume Contreras , JD Martinez , Vazquez or an Ian Happ type player would have meant more win for the Mets over the last 2 months instead of Ruf.

absolutely nothing beats being at game 7 in the 2003 Stanley cup. Game 2 of the 2015 NLCS when Murphy hit his HR to make it 3-0 in bottom of first I thought the mezzanine was going to collapse
 
If Mets didn’t crap the bed , the forgotten man (Williams)in the PCA trade would’ve played a key role in helping pitching staff survive all the injuries. If the Mets are playing Houston instead of Philly this Friday the trade would look much better.
It’s not about MVP’s and records , to me its only about getting a championship

I would never ever ever choose watching 15 years of a fully healthy Mike Trout over 1 World Series. Making a crappy Baez trade should not have made you gun shy on pulling off a big trade this year. I have to assume Contreras , JD Martinez , Vazquez or an Ian Happ type player would have meant more win for the Mets over the last 2 months instead of Ruf.

absolutely nothing beats being at game 7 in the 2003 Stanley cup. Game 2 of the 2015 NLCS when Murphy hit his HR to make it 3-0 in bottom of first I thought the mezzanine was going to collapse
You actually make a good point- we forget that Williams was a super important piece to our 101 win season.
 
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I would wait another year if the Brewers want serious compensation for his services. That would give Eppler one more year to prove himself. If the Mets falter again next year bring in Stearns and clean house.
Mets were better than they’ve been in years and you want to clean house?
 
Mets were better than they’ve been in years and you want to clean house?
Front office. Stearns comes in he can hire his own GM and beef up our Latin American scouting. Our trade deadline moves this year did nothing to help the team down the stretch.
 
My guess - Stearns gets the President job. POBO remains vacant for a year. At that point, either Eppler gets promoted into the role, or the POBO is hired externally and Eppler updates his resume.
 
Front office. Stearns comes in he can hire his own GM and beef up our Latin American scouting. Our trade deadline moves this year did nothing to help the team down the stretch.
Even if Stearns comes in- isn’t OM still in the organization and recognized as one of the best international Latin American Exec’s? I’m not sure if I would replace him. I keep Omar- and is Eppler good or bad, not sure we know how much was Sandy vs GM?
But I just can’t stand Sandy
 
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