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How Mets owner Steve Cohen can send shockwave across MLB with a Juan Soto signing
A Juan Soto signing would bolster the Mets' chances to reach Steve Cohen's goal of a World Series title.
www.mycentraljersey.com
what would be your thoughts on that?How Mets owner Steve Cohen can send shockwave across MLB with a Juan Soto signing
A Juan Soto signing would bolster the Mets' chances to reach Steve Cohen's goal of a World Series title.www.mycentraljersey.com
Mets Predicted to Lose $174M Homegrown Slugger to American League Team
The New York Mets have had Pete Alonso man first base for them since 2019. Will that continue in 2025 or will an American League team swoop in to sign him?
www.newsweek.com
Meh. Articles like that are a dime a dozen. Note that the author isn't claiming any inside info. I could just as easily write my own prediction of where Alonso winds up, and it would be equally valid. Or shall I say equally invalid.Mets Predicted to Lose $174M Homegrown Slugger to American League Team
The New York Mets have had Pete Alonso man first base for them since 2019. Will that continue in 2025 or will an American League team swoop in to sign him?
Saw the same take in around 3 different articles from different sources. This is just the one I chose to post. Doesn't necessarily mean its a done deal but sometimes where there's smoke.
I wonder if Ohtani will go back to pitching or now stray just on offense.
If he goes back to pitching, wouldn’t that give them 5 or 6 Ace’s on their team and the favorite to get the Japanese kid for a dollar or so.
BTW- Snell is signing for 17 mil a year. What is up with guys taking bargain basement deals with these guys.
Huh? He's signing for $36.4 a year. 5 years $182 million.
Ohtani is still going to be pitch. They are faves it second faves for Sasaki.
my bad- I think the first story I read on it had different numbers. But you are correct- looks like big $$$ for him.
Also crazy that Sasaki would still have them as his number 1. That kid could be the actual Ace on so many other teams. How are the Dodgers really going to keep all their starters happy? It is so crazy.
A lot of the SPs were hurt and/or coming off bad years so they have room at the inn. They need depth but could always make a trade as well.
Jon Heyman, who is pretty well plugged in, reports that this is Juan Soto's ask:
* 15 years, taking him to age 41.
* Total contract value "significantly north" of $600M, with no deferrals.
* Multiple opt-outs over the 15 year term, with the first coming three or four years in.
I can see Cohen saying "We can work with you on the years and dollars. But the three-year out is a deal breaker."
* 15 years, taking him to age 41.
* Total contract value "significantly north" of $600M, with no deferrals.
* Multiple opt-outs over the 15 year term, with the first coming three or four years in.
I can see Cohen saying "We can work with you on the years and dollars. But the three-year out is a deal breaker."
The opt outs that early should be a deal breaker for the Mets.
Yup. I’d like to get him but not at that price with a 3 year opt-out. He’s already milking this so I’m ok with just driving up the price and moving on.
Think how Yankees fans feel about Stanton even after he tried to carry Mr. May 2.0 and that's how I feel about Soto. Don't want him, he's a hot dog, a butcher in the field, won't agree peacefully to a move to DH and the money is outrageous, NO THANK YOU.
If the Dodgers had signed Juan Soto, then the Babylon Bee post might be funny in an ironic sense.
But Tommy Edman? Nah.
If the Mets, and other teams for that matter, don’t start “deferring payments” in their signings… All I see is the Dodgers the only team who has deferred payments in their recent signings: Ohtani, Snell, Edman, etc
The Snell contract is interesting. It is nominally 5 years, $182M, $36.4M AAV. But it consists of three separate components:
1) $52M signing bonus. I assume that's already in Snell's bank account.
2) $65M over five years, $13M per year.
3) $65M deferred, not sure for how long.
From a cash flow standpoint, the Dodgers aren't saving much, if anything at all, due to the upfront bonus.
From a luxury tax standpoint, which is really what matters, the bonus will be amortized over the five year life of the contract, as will the present value of the deferred money. The Dodgers will get some savings compared to the AAV.
It's all legitimate, really.
Teams have been using deferred money for a long time. The dodgers got a once in a lifetime player with a once in a lifetime deal because of his off the field earnings. That allows them to do what they need to do during this window. Ohtani was the outlier while these other deals have been par for the course for what teams have been doing for a while now.
But,but,but it was Steve Cohen who was gonna ruin the baseball salary structure. Just another example of fake news I guess.lmfao!
Let's even take a guy like Alonso- at min, he is pulling in $5 mil off the field. Most likely, closer to $10.
Outside of Mets/Yanks/Dodgers, where is he going to pull in those side $$$
Would be smart of the Met's to use this- Right now- he is either 1a or 1b in fan favorite and most recognizable Met's.
BTW- As "legit" as the Ohtani deal looks on paper - and then the Yamamoto and now, most likely this other kid- My gut tells me they have something going with Japan that may not be as legit. I don't know if you can call it collusion but...
Outside of Mets/Yanks/Dodgers, where is he going to pull in those side $$$
Would be smart of the Met's to use this- Right now- he is either 1a or 1b in fan favorite and most recognizable Met's.
BTW- As "legit" as the Ohtani deal looks on paper - and then the Yamamoto and now, most likely this other kid- My gut tells me they have something going with Japan that may not be as legit. I don't know if you can call it collusion but...
I’m surprised that those who have the money and the brains like Steve Cohen/ David Stearns haven’t used this for their big free agents, esp for the reasons you stated.
Never thought of this but good point.
Think about it- if you are this new kid coming over...Ohtani is always going to be the big Japanese prize and top player- Yamamota made a good push late last year to establish himself as a star- At best, this kid would be number 3 of the Japan players. Why not go to somewhere like NY and not have to take a backseat to Ohtani. Unless- Japan is making promises.
Making promises? Man you guys come up with stuff out of thin air and over thinking it.
Great weather, most or second most money to offer, closer to home, greatest Japanese player to ever play here that young guys look up to.
Again deferred money has been a thing for 20+ years now. Go look at what the Nationals were doing.
Great weather, most or second most money to offer, closer to home, greatest Japanese player to ever play here that young guys look up to.
Again deferred money has been a thing for 20+ years now. Go look at what the Nationals were doing.
Yeah- 1/2 mil per year now and $69 mil later. - while we all know he is pulling in huge advertising cash each year- His deferred money in the neighborhood of $65+ mil each year for the next 10 years, makes no F-ing sense. Wouldn't he be #x better off 10 years from now with $70 mil Advertising and much higher than 1-2 mil salary (let's say he just deferred $15 per year, which would be normal- So 10 years of $120 mil per year plus interest earned just blows away what he did.
No one has ever deferred money like that. Where you take 3% upfront and 97% deferred. There has to be so much more to it. And while weather is great, and it is closer to home- neither of those factors have stopped Japanese people from living in and loving NYC. And baseball is played in the nice weather anyway- for that money, you can live anywhere you want for the winter.
He would not have been shut out of any advertising in Japan if he was playing in NY...
Don’t think Edman was the catalyst for the article, but he certainly did our team no favors in the NLCS
If only the Mets had an owner experienced in complex financing and transactions, then I wouldn't be worried. Oh wait. . . . . I'm not worried.
As I understand it, the most popular baseball team in Japan is the Dodgers, more popular than any Japanese team. They have a leg up right now. So be it. There are a number of good to great Japanese players, but there are way more good to great American and Latin players. Build the system. Spend to supplement. Spend more than anyone else when absolutely necessary. I'm fully confident in the management team and ownership of the Mets. It's been decades since I could say that. It's not even December, and folks are sweating bullets over the Dodgers and Japan and Snell and Yamamoto and Ohtani and lions and tigers and bears.
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If the Mets were to start doing this, MLB would come up with a rule to stop it. The Mets could give Soto $1 billion dollars and defer most of it like Ohtani knowing even the Dodgers would have trouble matching that. Dodgers are given a lot of lead way to stretch the rules.
The Cohen rule doesn't exist because 95% of the league will spend like crazy. It was to keep Cohen from separating himself from the few teams who do spend like the Dodgers, the Yankees, and the Red Sox. Even those teams would have trouble keeping up with the money Cohen is ready to dish out. They are not willing to pay that tax too often.
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