OT: Prime Time will crash and burn
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As I said, Col had a seedy element within the team.
Its not usually the best players with a future that become your bad actors.
When teammates showed-up at parties I was at it was usually the lesser players breaking the furniture and pulling girls hair.
I had an roomate who played for SU until he had a fight with a LB coach.
He would have other players come visit and stay over and the stories i heard were prettyt bad.
There are always a number of basically good guys who will flip when the bad seeds start getting away with stuff.
Plus "loving football" includes practice.
High school practice was fun but college is tougher - it more like work with more punishment
You have days you just want to lay in bed and heal but you cant.
Good coaches know how to elevate the vibe in practice so its not just a dead routine.
A good article on Sanders view of players is below. He models his approach on long-time FSU coaches. His preferences are a lot like Belichick's. Smart and tough are up there with physical skills. Belichick liked RU players because they knew the game.
Deion Sanders' roster remake at Colorado like nothing college football has ever seen
A look at how Sanders executed exit interviews after the spring like an NFL cutdown day. Saturday we get to start seeing if his plan worked.
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Actually he changed a lot - a failed suicide attempt will do that.
Lots of people would like what Sanders likes but Sanders is an open book about such things where others are "polite."
Plus Sanders backs everything-up with hard work.
When he was on the Yankees there were people who didn't like him but all admitted he was very hard worker.
He motivates guys to work hard with the things success brings.
People respond to brash confidence for better or worse
However he always makes hard work #1
He had a step-father who was manager of a lumber yard and Sanders idolized him (gave him all his trophies.rings).
His steppy infused Sanders with hard work ethic.
Sanders said he would never coach in NFL because he doesn't want to be around players who get paid a lot but dont want to work.
Talking the talk follows walking the walk for DS
I never said Sanders doesn't have any good qualities. I admire his hard work, no nonsense approach to coaching and he has a great ability to motivate his players. It's the reason he is and will be successful at CU.
That doesn't disqualify anything I said.
I'm more neutral to mildly annoyed by Deion's attitude.
But people is hoping/praying for Sanders to fail because he’s too brash (or worse). Like you said, he’s an open book with all the practice videos that’s released.
BTW, star players??? His 24 recruiting class only had 1, 5 star, 2, 4stars, and even 2, 2 stars.
Will not be the first or last time Whitlock misrepresents somebody's comments.
A lot of people are like that.
They respect Sanders but wish he would smooth-up
I'm just the opposite and prefer the brash talking attitude
I'm like "thank heaven a coach gets it."
In nature we usually see the males of a species flaunting their feathers, horns, size, strength etc.
We see the males fighting and bucking.
To me its good to see guys doing that and a reason the socities are failing is that they guys are bieng made into over-polite cup-cakes.
Of course there are a-holes and I dont mean they are good.
I just dont mind coaches players being openly confident, brash, combative etc,
People are uncomfy with Sanders dogging a media guy.
That doesn't bother me and Parcells would be that way as well.
Greg on the other hand is always a meal-mouth choir boy and no surprise RU teams can be a little soft.
They don't always play with attitude and it wouldn't hurt them if they had some of that.
But people is hoping/praying for Sanders to fail because he’s too brash (or worse). Like you said, he’s an open book with all the practice videos that’s released.
BTW, star players??? His 24 recruiting class only had 1, 5 star, 2, 4stars, and even 2, 2 stars.
I know how Sanders looks to people from a distance
I would have looked the same way had I not seen Bear Gryles episode with Sanders.
People will cite Sanders failing to win title at Jackson but they don't know a Jackson player dropped a sure OT TD in the end zone. A lot of coaches would have been pissed but Sanders knew the player was crushed and went out of his way to console him. Players know Sanders is tough but that he genuinely cares about them. That's the magic formula.
Oh and while Sanders was coaching at Jackson doctors are talking to him about cutting off his legs
“Alright man, come one, come on. I need you to fight through it. Adversity is gonna prepare you for life, alright? Let’s fight through it … you’ve got to believe that,” Sanders said. “That moment is gonna make you who you want to be for the rest of your life. You feel me? Let’s do it. Come on, baby. Love you man.”
I will admit I hoped he'd fail so other schools wouldn't search for the NEXT Deion Sanders and start elevating his "brashness" as something to look for in a coach. Sanders post-game press conference was certainly a treat where he threw his success in everyone's face. But Sanders is right.. his success comes from hard work.. he worked his way up.. as he pointed out.. from pee-wee on up.But people is hoping/praying for Sanders to fail because he’s too brash (or worse). Like you said, he’s an open book with all the practice videos that’s released.
BTW, star players??? His 24 recruiting class only had 1, 5 star, 2, 4stars, and even 2, 2 stars.
I just don't like his kind of narcissism even if he is successful. But he does seem to demand the right stuff from his players.. so what I think doesn't matter. If I were a Colorado fan I'd certainly support him regardless of disliking his style.
But I think his style will be emulated much more than his work ethic will be. So that's a net negative.
When he talks about race, in coaching, although there are some extremes... situations like this are mostly what black coaches are referring to. I don't know who this other coach is in the video but he and Deon present themselves and speak in a way that has kind of been looked upon negatively in the mainstream...
if you've ever noticed when certain players speak, you'll hear "I was surprised at how well spoken he was" or "he's so well spoken"... Guys like Deon and this coach right here aren't those guys. It's not a demeanor associated with discipline, leadership or success. Deon isn't an idiot he knows what people expect from him because of the way he presents himself. Not only does he lean further into the person he is and his personality but he's using it to his advantage in his current success. It just so happens that a large percentage of black men have a similar demeanor and style of speech. Also a large number of top recruits are black and may carry themselves in a similar way or have a parent or uncle that does.
So although Deon may be more demanding asking players to sit in the front of classes and address elders with sir and mam but he will be more understanding of things that other coaches may criticize because he was once criticized the same way. Again, if Deon presented himself as Tony Dungy does or David Shaw does he would be a loveable guy. It's not about race in those terms. But it's the fact Deon is acting in a non conformist way and still being successful despite the anticipation and expectation of failure really grinds some gears...Truly believe that's what drives him, not giving doubters the satisfaction.
Nobody will ever convince me that Rettig didn't deserve to get a shot in 2015 and 2016 over Laviano and Gio.
The argument at the time was:
"Well you aren't in practice. If he was better he's be in the game. The coaches are playing the QB who gives the best chance to win each week."
It didn't matter. Even if he was worse, it's not like Laviano or Gio had ever shown anything. What would happen? We lose even worse than we already were?
And then what happened to those great coaches? They all got fired for being bad at their jobs.
I'm sure HC Flood and HC Ash were great QB evaluators and knew what they were doing.
Just when I thought we were out they pull us back in
Well you are certainly not a Rutgers fan so I'm glad you have a team to root for besides Temple this week.
Superfan seems to think he much more astute than everyone else
Other than the OP in this thread, who in this thread is hoping/praying for Sanders to fail? In this thread.But people is hoping/praying for Sanders to fail because he’s too brash (or worse). Like you said, he’s an open book with all the practice videos that’s released.
BTW, star players??? His 24 recruiting class only had 1, 5 star, 2, 4stars, and even 2, 2 stars.
I think most people are pro-Sanders to neutral.
Whenever someone is loud or flashy, they will attract attention and people waiting for them to trip up, but that is not unique to Prime, is it? Heck, we have people wishing for our own coach to fail for weird reasons related to a variety of things (the lacrosse guy on this board) or his attitude (too much swagger).
I don't particularly want to see him fail. It's moreso I want to see him humbled. It's like the annoying jerk in your office who is constantly bragging about how great they are and then they get passed over for a promotion. It's at least mildly satisfying to see.
There's a fine line between having a little swagger, and being an annoyance. I never understood those who got annoyed by Greg's swagger. A head coach of a football team should have some swagger. On the other hand, there are the quieter types like Dave Elko (maybe I have not seen all sides of him) who can succeed as well. I've made this point several times. Many different styles can succeed. I like Prime, and while he is a little loud, he has backed up his swagger with results. He is motivating this team to succeed. It will be interesting to see what he says when they lose a game.
Prime deserves to strut until another HC's team makes him stumble.
I don't like the way he acts, but he brought Colorado into the nations eye even before he beat TCU. For that he deserves credit
Now Colorado ticket sales are going through the roof and his swaggering is a great sales pitch, while keeping his program in the limelight.
( hypothetically) Other coaches could have done the same if they were Colorado's HC , but the public and media would probably have moved on from talking about Colorado because few attract the attention Deion Sanders does.
So because of Prime Colorado is still a program the public is thinking about while the media keeps it's attention on Deion and the Buffs
I don't like the way he acts, but he brought Colorado into the nations eye even before he beat TCU. For that he deserves credit
Now Colorado ticket sales are going through the roof and his swaggering is a great sales pitch, while keeping his program in the limelight.
( hypothetically) Other coaches could have done the same if they were Colorado's HC , but the public and media would probably have moved on from talking about Colorado because few attract the attention Deion Sanders does.
So because of Prime Colorado is still a program the public is thinking about while the media keeps it's attention on Deion and the Buffs
It's easy to point out who isn't more astute than everyone else. The hard question is: who here is much more astute than everyone else? 🧐
I love to Deon have a great season. It took major nads to say he was clearing house and bringing so many of his players from 1AA.
He went to a bad FCS team and did not win the starting job before quitting.
I think college football fans, sportswriters. sports tv personalities are all overreacting to the week 1 results which is nothing new. We will see what things look like by mid-late Oct. The story lines will likely be much different.
I think that’s possible but finding out is what’s fun.
Agreed.
I'm basically neutral on Sanders. Don't have any particular feelings about him at all, positive or negative. He was a great player and seems like he has the makings of a great coach. But it's early days yet. Gotta wait and see what happens.
OTOH, I do like a good underdog story. So it'd be fun to see Colorado have a lot of success this season. Plus it would make all the hater's heads explode violently. 🤯
And who doesn't love seeing hater brain matter splat all over the room?
The 10th yr AD (Rick George) really rolled the dice as well.
He was on the verge of being turfed-out after busts at FB coach
He already tried the black coach appeal and that failed
I think part of the Colorado backstory is that the program, AD, fans etc were not going to to last for a 4 year rebuild.
"In George’s tenure, CU football has gone 44-73, a .376 winning percentage in 10 seasons. That winning percentage dips to .352 (19-35) in the four seasons that began with coaches hired by George.
“We’ve got to get football going. Any successful Division I athletic department has a successful football program,” George said. “When I came back I wanted to get football turned around. We’ve had three coaches, and now our fourth coach, since I’ve been here, and I think Coach Prime is the right guy at the right time. I feel strongly that he’ll get this program back on track and we’re not going to wait long to see that.”
Rick George reflects on 10 years as athletic director for CU Buffs
Recently, Colorado women’s soccer coach Danny Sanchez was enjoying a moment of solitude driving through Boulder on a summer day.
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Sanders speaks highly of the AD as a fellow religious person and I think that was a key for both men. Not many Colleges would let a coach post and pray in public media while wearing a 5 lb cricifix lol. The usual anti-Christian huns are all buzzing. So far DS don't seem to care.
Colorado hired coach Deion Sanders. Religious freedom conflict followed
Two organizations have contacted the University of Colorado Boulder about Deion Sanders’ prayer practices
www.deseret.com
you can tell the character of a family by how the kids act. His kids look like good kids and the way he talks about other players it’s like he’s talking about his literal kids.
He’s grown on me.
He’s grown on me.
I read a story that said Tom Brady texted his son after the game “don’t be satisfied,” so they’re definitely getting the right messages.
We’ll just see how it plays out.
We’ll just see how it plays out.
Whitlock is all about shucking and jiving.I follow Whitlpck on FB and read that yesterday.
I think he's misinterpreting Sanders' race comments
"Twitter has convinced Sanders that white football fans and coaches feel threatened by his skin color and ascension to head coach at a Power 5 school. It’s as if he’s unaware that he replaced a black head coach at Colorado and that black players dominate most locker rooms.
No one’s threatened, Deion. They’re annoyed."
Its not about "a black coach" and fans per se but about a black coach with a lot of extra appeal for top recruits that normally flock to the top 12 teams and especially the SEC. Travis Hunter dropping FSU for Jackson was a crack in in the wall that woke coaches up and now the crack is going to be a breach. The old guard is crumbling and they know it.
Clemson was already getting hosed by the portal and LSU is a bad team. Bama has been in decline. A reason I like Sanders is that he's breaking the recruiting lock that makes the same 6 teams likely fav for the natty. Its boring for every year to be about Bama, LSU, GA, Clem, Auburn et al with OSU hovering.
Col Recruiting should be a monster the next years if Prime stays healthy (not a given). It wont just be because Sanders is black because other black coaches couldn't do what he does. As a player, no other coach has his resume but the thing many players like is his serious sense of commitment and values tangled-up with his brah-swag. A lot of CO players never had fathers like DS and they eat it up. You have to follow him to know how he rolls.
TCUs RB (Trey Sanders) was a #1 in nation recruit who scored 3 TDs vs Col. He got hurt and Sanders was out on the field to see him. They were hugging after the game. The top player of the team just beat is over hugging the winning coach. Trey had joked about wanting to go to Col after Sanders got the job. Like Hunter, Trey is a very religious person. The super talented guys with high character are the guys Sanders draws. He wont be having a team of shop-lifters and girl beaters. This will be a huge draw. Co had coaches/players in tears on sidelines. ND's Marcus Freeman cant do that, Jason Whitlock can't do that. Squeaky clean is not as good as dirty with new polish.
Plain and simple.
That’s true and I’m not trying to in any way diminish what Deion accomplished with Col. In week one. He deserves a lot of credit given that he basically created a whole new team. I just think the story along with LSU and Clemson losing has created a narrative for the season which I think will look different by mid season.
I saw Prime address the players in a meeting after the game.
He told the players that they had not accomplished much yet and that beating TCU was what just part of their routine as success bound people. "You did what you were supposed to do."
I remembered how RU was after Louisville game.
The players were so over the moon and distracted by the win that only a few guys had their heads in the Cincy game (Like Thompson).
Smart coaches know when to pop the bubble and bring players back to Earth
Holy smokes will some of you guys grasp at every straw to poke at Greg. Give it a f'in rest already, and go lather up Prime. Sheesh, some fans.
The funny thing about that quote is that he then says he keeps receipts of those who doubted him. So which one is it? Act like you've been there/you're supposed to win? Or keep the receipts of everyone who doubted you? Don't care what anyone thinks or care what every media personality says/writes and call them out in front of everyone? Dudes a walking contradiction who doesn't practice what he preaches.
Prime says some things that if they came from other coaches would be provocative.
But Sanders just does stream of consciousness - what's on his mind will be on his lips sooner or later
Its the attitude toward his players and HBCUs that specifically irk him
He remembers reporters who said things like Colorado wont do well with HBCU players and coaches.
His players appreciate coach having their back there - defending their greatness as he sees it.
Shedeur sanders and Travis Hunter are great on most teams - Sanders bristles over any shade there.
He's promoting them hard for Heisman considerations and he wont be shy about it.
He doesn't want to hear that Colorado was "lucky" etc.
He does not well tolerate the notion that P5 teams are some sort of uniform elite towering over smaller programs.
I've felt the same way because most P5 teams are medicore.
The one area I see an advantage is better facilities and medical care.
Those are important, but as for football there is a big drop after the first 15 P5 teams.
Yeah but he only brought 8 players from Jackson State to Colorado. The best players.
If Deion cared about HBCU colleges he'd still be at Jackson State.
It seems like you're going to defend him no matter what. I think I'm just calling it as it is.
If this one game is a sign, Coach may be getting better offers for P5 jobs than if he had stayed at Kent St. He did have a pretty good offense at KS so who knows.
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