OT: Prime Time will crash and burn
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What in the blue f🤬🤬🤬 are you talking about? You stalking and harassing POS. Always in my business.
He’s just a pissed off little boy who gets pissy when things don’t go his way and people don’t agree with his way of life.
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Doubt it's a Texas thing. TCU is basically Dallas, and he's quite popular there by-and-large. But it's more of a playing thing. There are a number of folks who cannot stomach a player being confident (they say cocky), emotive (they say showboating), and stylish (they say selfish). And many have carried that over and are projecting to his abilities (again, they say eventual crash-and-burn) as a coach.
FWIW, didn't cover as much NFL as I would've preferred; but when I did, he always seemed pretty classy. I never once ever remembered him disparaging an opponent or saying a bad word about a foe.
He might be cocky and showy, I really don’t know. But I do know he’s walked the walk, so far at least.
Dammit. Meant to say pissy about someone who always has to say about what I post. Guess I’ll get banned now while everyone do what they please here.
Whatever. Thanks for the heads up.
Interesting how that last tweet of a video of TCU fans cursing out Deion Sanders was taken down.
Let’s see if this tweet will be taken down as well.
A couple of things to maybe dial down the rhetoric. . . .
Any time someone comes in loud and flashy like Prime does, and I don't see anything wrong with that, there will be people waiting in the wings to cheer failure. Greg 1.0 was a bit loud and flashy with his helicopter trips, etc., and that pissed off the Tundra and UCant fanbases and they rooted for his/RU's failure.
This board has a weird faction of so-called fans who want to turn this one game win into a narrative on the failure of Rutgers and our current coach. Greg has a group of so-called fans cheering for him to do poorly, and they get their jollies taking shots at him. That's both sad and ludicrous. As difficult as it was, I supported Ash, and I took a lot of heat for supporting Flood until nearly the end of his tenure, more because I wanted to see Rutgers succeed more than any one coach. But it became clear after year 1.5 that Ash was a bad hire, probably sooner.
Some are suggesting that Rutgers should do exactly what Colorado did. Well, Prime was not available to hire four years ago. He was hired in September 2020 to coach at Jacksonville State, and at that point in time, don't think he was leaving Florida to coach a moribund college team in NJ.
Time will tell if Prime's win this weekend is sustainable and he can build it into a great season and winning season's thereafter. If he does, good for him. USC, Oregon State and Utah will likely be his toughest tests this year. If he wins out, will he stay in Colorado, or will University of Florida have him on speed dial? He will likely have a lot of programs calling him.
But as has previously been alluded to in this thread, the closest example of a coach using the portal aggressively and having rapid success after one so-so season is Mel Tucker's second season at 11-2. But then he went 5-7/3-6 when Kenneth Walker III moved on.
Wikipedia has a list of college football coaches with winning percentages greater than 0.750. Culling that list, looked for current/recent college football coaches that coached at the P5 level. Here's who is on that list:
Nick Saban- maybe the data point is too old, as he started at Alabama in 2007, where he went 2-6/1-4, but has had 'Bama rolling every year since then except for a couple/few seasons. He had a "slower" start with more mixed results at LSU. Bama was a mess when Saban took over, having all of its 2006 wins vacated, and even before then, going 6-6/2-6.
Chris Petersen- on the list, but his big success was at Boise State. When he moved to UW in 2014, he went 8-6 and 7-6 in his first 2 years before he got them rolling for 3 years, but then regressed to 8-5 before retiring. But UW was a decent team before he took over.
Dabo Sweeney- data point may be old. He was 4-3 in his first partial year, 9-65 in year 2, 6-7 in year 3, and it was not until year 8, 2015 that he had Clemson rolling with six straight years of #1-4 rankings. But Clemson was a good team before Dabo took over.
Lance Leipold is on the .750 list, but that is due to his 109-6 record at Wisconsin-Whitewater. He went 37-33 at Buffalo over 6 years, and he is 9-17/4-14 in his first 3 years at Kansas.
While not on the list, Brian Kelly (many hate him) is a fairly successful coach, but it took him a while to get Notre Dame to 12-1 and 11-2 seasons. He underwhelmed in his first year at LSU.
Ed Orgeron had decent success at LSU getting them tot 10-3/5-3 in year 3 and 15-0/8- in year 4, but then he flamed out and got fired.
So, there does not seem to be another coach like Prime in terms of having the previous success as an athlete at the college and professional level, and having rapid coaching success in his first college coaching job at Jacksonville State and now turning the previous model of developing players on its head. But it is still a little early to declare him a raging success after one win, isn't it? It will be fun to watch what happens. Not going to cheer either way if he succeeds or does not succeed. And if this year is a total success, it will be interesting to see if he can replicate that success in successive seasons. Just ask Ed Orgeron and Mel Tucker how that went.
Any time someone comes in loud and flashy like Prime does, and I don't see anything wrong with that, there will be people waiting in the wings to cheer failure. Greg 1.0 was a bit loud and flashy with his helicopter trips, etc., and that pissed off the Tundra and UCant fanbases and they rooted for his/RU's failure.
This board has a weird faction of so-called fans who want to turn this one game win into a narrative on the failure of Rutgers and our current coach. Greg has a group of so-called fans cheering for him to do poorly, and they get their jollies taking shots at him. That's both sad and ludicrous. As difficult as it was, I supported Ash, and I took a lot of heat for supporting Flood until nearly the end of his tenure, more because I wanted to see Rutgers succeed more than any one coach. But it became clear after year 1.5 that Ash was a bad hire, probably sooner.
Some are suggesting that Rutgers should do exactly what Colorado did. Well, Prime was not available to hire four years ago. He was hired in September 2020 to coach at Jacksonville State, and at that point in time, don't think he was leaving Florida to coach a moribund college team in NJ.
Time will tell if Prime's win this weekend is sustainable and he can build it into a great season and winning season's thereafter. If he does, good for him. USC, Oregon State and Utah will likely be his toughest tests this year. If he wins out, will he stay in Colorado, or will University of Florida have him on speed dial? He will likely have a lot of programs calling him.
But as has previously been alluded to in this thread, the closest example of a coach using the portal aggressively and having rapid success after one so-so season is Mel Tucker's second season at 11-2. But then he went 5-7/3-6 when Kenneth Walker III moved on.
Wikipedia has a list of college football coaches with winning percentages greater than 0.750. Culling that list, looked for current/recent college football coaches that coached at the P5 level. Here's who is on that list:
Nick Saban- maybe the data point is too old, as he started at Alabama in 2007, where he went 2-6/1-4, but has had 'Bama rolling every year since then except for a couple/few seasons. He had a "slower" start with more mixed results at LSU. Bama was a mess when Saban took over, having all of its 2006 wins vacated, and even before then, going 6-6/2-6.
Chris Petersen- on the list, but his big success was at Boise State. When he moved to UW in 2014, he went 8-6 and 7-6 in his first 2 years before he got them rolling for 3 years, but then regressed to 8-5 before retiring. But UW was a decent team before he took over.
Dabo Sweeney- data point may be old. He was 4-3 in his first partial year, 9-65 in year 2, 6-7 in year 3, and it was not until year 8, 2015 that he had Clemson rolling with six straight years of #1-4 rankings. But Clemson was a good team before Dabo took over.
Lance Leipold is on the .750 list, but that is due to his 109-6 record at Wisconsin-Whitewater. He went 37-33 at Buffalo over 6 years, and he is 9-17/4-14 in his first 3 years at Kansas.
While not on the list, Brian Kelly (many hate him) is a fairly successful coach, but it took him a while to get Notre Dame to 12-1 and 11-2 seasons. He underwhelmed in his first year at LSU.
Ed Orgeron had decent success at LSU getting them tot 10-3/5-3 in year 3 and 15-0/8- in year 4, but then he flamed out and got fired.
So, there does not seem to be another coach like Prime in terms of having the previous success as an athlete at the college and professional level, and having rapid coaching success in his first college coaching job at Jacksonville State and now turning the previous model of developing players on its head. But it is still a little early to declare him a raging success after one win, isn't it? It will be fun to watch what happens. Not going to cheer either way if he succeeds or does not succeed. And if this year is a total success, it will be interesting to see if he can replicate that success in successive seasons. Just ask Ed Orgeron and Mel Tucker how that went.
Don't worry about it. We butt heads over in the Mets thread over my Vogey love fest, but I like most of what you post, but not all of it. Peace.
Didn’t realize that OC he hired at JSU with the help of Leach is also on staff at Colorado as WR coach.
From the article:
Offensive coordinator Sean Lewis may well be the front-runner for the Broyles Award if he can keep up the attack he engineered against a TCU defense that returned seven starters from a group that made the national title game earlier this year. Not only did the Buffs set several records in the passing attack, but they dominated in time of possession, too.
Lewis' usage of tempo particularly caught the Horned Frogs off guard. As head coach at Kent State, his teams were regularly among the FBS leaders in snaps per game, and the new supporting cast he oversees seemed perfectly suited to going as fast as possible despite the warm conditions in Fort Worth. It wasn't just that TCU was unfamiliar with the offense (the Frogs face it every day in practice), it just couldn't line up properly or in time — issues that led to several coverage busts or early penalties.
Just as notable, Lewis schemed around some of the obvious shortcomings that the remade roster sported, too — particularly up front. The signal-calling Sanders was given plenty of time to throw behind an offensive line that was light on experience at the Power 5 level, and the quarterback only started to feel any sort of pressure deep into the second half.
Receivers coach Brett Bartolone, who is entering his first season coaching the position in the Division I ranks and graduated just eight years ago, managed to produce four wideouts who had more than 100 yards in the opener.
I’ve said it many times before, do not bet against Deion
He’s smart, calculated and motivated
Plus has the stain w recruits and career to back it up
Tireless self promoter and winner at every level of his career
He’s smart, calculated and motivated
Plus has the stain w recruits and career to back it up
Tireless self promoter and winner at every level of his career
People with a lot of confidence + swagger rubs some people the wrong way (especially if its a man).
Prinme tells current players they are "a miracle" waiting to happen and its more believable to them because he recently told 70 players they dont belong and to hit the portal lol.
Prime is not one of the many who confuse being nice with being good
That kind of confident action rattles people (spesh the media)
Ali was like that and some people used to hate him before they loved him.
Prime did have an earlier history of being annoyingly brash back in in "Neon Deion" days (a name he hates now).
He did once dump a buck of ice water on Tim McCarver.
Alas Sanders himself will tell you he wasn't a great guy then, and more than a few people remember him that way.
But now Prime (easier to type) is a transformation and that bothers people too
He co-founded a charter school in 2012
The other co-founder turned out to be a grifter who stole.
Then the state and unions hate charter schools.
You never want to be in a partnership if its avoidable, but in something like education its a real risk,
The projects for "underserved" populations are full of donor and gov money that draws grifters who seem legit on CV but are parasites.
People look at "poor communities" and think there is no money but a lot of people make money grifting off the people
I know perfectly well where it is. I said what I said. They’re all Cowboys fans, Dallas, Fort Worth, Irving, Arlington. Hell, there are more Cowboys fans in Houston than there are Texans fans.
Of course it’s his success!
programs are constantly jealous of one another!
Hell we know this all to well as Rutgers fans
It's way too early to say anything about the long term will go. I often say just take it as it comes, be it one good game, one good season etc...and leave it at that.
Adding to our discussion in the game week thread, which you do a fabulous job with and reposting an X Post (they are no longer tweets!!!) and a story you posted there:
"Other than that, however, Colorado signed a collection of two- and three-star recruits befitting of a thrown together group to a traditionally losing program. They currently have just nine verbal commits from the class of 2024. There are two four stars — Aaron Butler, an athlete out of California that everyone wanted and Brandon Davis-Swain, a defensive lineman from Michigan previously committed to Notre Dame.
But that’s it. So far."
Coaches coach. There's more than one style that works. As I noted above, and in the other thread, how many coaches are out there that are like Coach Prime? Can't think of one. He is one of a kind. He was a star athlete in multiple sports, a dynamic personality and now a rising head football coach in the college ranks. In one off season and in one game, he has turned the notion of a portal on it's head. But he has not done it with a ton of 4 and 5 star talent. Sure, having his son as QB has helped a lot. But he knows how to coach and motivate his players.
Realizing this is the coach Prime revenge and gushing thread, but may we mention Mike Elko and the job he has done, extending into a second season (OK, maybe Clemson sucks, but they were ranked higher than TCU):
Totally different style and approach from Coach Prime, but it is working. Cutcliffe had left Duke in the dregs for his last 4 years, and Elko made a quick turnaround. He's not a very exciting personality. Watching him on the sidelines last night, it looked like he was ready to go to sleep at some points in the game. But he beat a ranked team after having a fantastic first season.
If Deion Sanders can shock the world in Game 1, imagine what he can do with Colorado in the coming years
Coach Prime already has Colorado playing well with a somewhat thrown-together roster. Future top-level recruits might be paying attention.
Yep plenty of money it's just all stolen and kicked back to the grifters that buy the community's votes.
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Lol ohhh ok so is this why you or these other fans don't like him? Been trying to understand..
Its clear you don't know what happened since you don't specify what Sanders did wrong.
I think my fandom is outdown by your shading
He was making 40k a year that he didn't need (co-founder, crook minister 120k).
Sanders put in more money than he ever got out
If Sanders wanted to run a scheme for money he could have done a lot better.
He's always liked youths and wanted to be part of starting a school since so many schools are inferior (and they also run ineptly but get the bailouts like Wall St).
I've started businesses and worked with community groups. The more people involved and the more agencies, banks, parents, regulations etc the more the ground opens under your feet. Most creators have failures that taught them more than the succeses. Sanders was more of celebrity that others brought in for contatcs with politicians, finaciers and others. He didn't know just how empty and corrupt so many others would be.
Personally I would never get involved in something where I had to trust a lot of people. America is spectacularly corrupt from top to bottom. We've had 5 local firehoueses with scandals because the cheifs and treasurers were stealing. The big guys are corrupt and the little guys are corrupt
They had free laptops for students that got stolen.
The financial mangers were so sketchy they got fired/investigated but the school, couldn't make payments because the fired people controlled the accounts.
Employees had to quit because no pay.
The state witheld funding (happy - they hate charter schools),
The whole thing was a disaster and Sanders wasn't running the school - he was just foolish enough to lend his NIL to fraudsters
If the arguments about Deion being a winner are getting into nuances of a charter school failure 10+ years ago, I think the debate is settled
It's unlikely we'll see a thread like that ever again.
This one, however, still has the potential to be legendarily wrong.
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