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The republicans are in favor of controlled legal immigration
And it doesn't have to make it easier, that would be dumb, you want it safe

You control it for the safety of our country, and to keep it organized
You shouldn't want uncontrolled legal immigration, don't hide behind the idea that the Republicans are trying to stop the legal ones, they want it

I already proved they wanted to limit immigration. Do you need more links, because I have them?

GOP hates immigration publicly. Privately, they hire the undocumented. They marry nude models who enter the country on false pretenses. It's all to rile the poorly educated. Thankfully it has mostly failed at the ballot box, understandably.
 
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Illegals flooding our border and crossing
That's ok ?

Being a refugee isn't illegal. Have you read the Refugee Act of 1980 and the Geneva Convention?

With record low unemployment- after soaring to 15% and a recession in the past failed admin- we need people to work all the jobs the Biden-Harris admin created.

Personally, I welcome Venezuelans and Cubans who come here for freedom. I understand the GOP is anti-freedom and seeking to ban porn, abortion, birth control, books, speech, etc. Certainly they are free to advocate fascism. But maybe they need to consider how popular that is? Doesn't seem to win.
 
Being a refugee isn't illegal. Have you read the Refugee Act of 1980 and the Geneva Convention?

With record low unemployment- after soaring to 15% and a recession in the past failed admin- we need people to work all the jobs the Biden-Harris admin created.

Personally, I welcome Venezuelans and Cubans who come here for freedom. I understand the GOP is anti-freedom and seeking to ban porn, abortion, birth control, books, speech, etc. Certainly they are free to advocate fascism. But maybe they need to consider how popular that is? Doesn't seem to win.
How about just crossing the border?
And with those that just come here as refugees, vet them while they remain in Mexico, let them in when cleared
 
It really was another example (in front of Union Station ) as to where the country has spiraled. It is an example of not free speech … whatever that is ? It showed we have allowed the educational system to further deteriorate over 70 + years under the guise that it is about free expression of ideas. It has infiltrated most of education, media and of course political parties. For the younger who believe this is good and will benefit everyone … better take a breather . Someday there will be many who wish that piece of cloth still was around.
 
Being a refugee isn't illegal. Have you read the Refugee Act of 1980 and the Geneva Convention?

With record low unemployment- after soaring to 15% and a recession in the past failed admin- we need people to work all the jobs the Biden-Harris admin created.

Personally, I welcome Venezuelans and Cubans who come here for freedom. I understand the GOP is anti-freedom and seeking to ban porn, abortion, birth control, books, speech, etc. Certainly they are free to advocate fascism. But maybe they need to consider how popular that is? Doesn't seem to win.
Personally, the GOP is whatever Dear Leader ( the geezer from Queens) wants it to be.
Never thought such a thing would happen in my country.
The Founding Fathers would be very unhappy.
 
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Personally, the GOP is whatever Dear Leader ( the geezer from Queens) wants it to be.
Never thought such a thing would happen in my country.
The Founding Fathers would be very unhappy.
I don't think the founding fathers would object to screening and accepting legal immigration, if they were alive today and looking at our current situation
 
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OK...mass shootings, single shootings....I believe you live in NJ too. Why do you think our level of gun violence here is among the lowest?
Don't know, but I would guess it's many different factors.

I think the more interesting, and potentially more informative question is why are NJ and CA having such vastly different outcomes from nearly identical gun laws. CA is #1 and NJ is probably #2 in terms of toughest gun laws in the nation. So why the different outcomes?

CA has areas of super-high population density, like NJ. CA has great economic opportunities, like NJ. CA has the similar political leanings as NJ.

So what're the key differences? 'Cause it's not gun laws.

I don't know the answers and I doubt it's any one thing. But studying that question would be among my highest priorities if I were running the country.
 
I don't think the founding fathers would object to screening and accepting legal immigration, if they were alive today and looking at our current situation
I'm sure they would have loved his "dictator for one day" b.s.
Or " I am your retribution".
 
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I don't think the founding fathers would object to screening and accepting legal immigration, if they were alive today and looking at our current situation
The Constitution authorizes Congress to establish naturalization requirements. The First Congress in 1790 set up procedures for immigration and for immigrants to become citizens. Anyone could enter and become a citizen -- but only if they were white. So maybe our founders are not infallible guides in this area.https://immigrationhistory.org/timeline/
 
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I'm sure they would have loved his "dictator for one day" b.s.
Or " I am your retribution".
Nice try
Being a dictator on day one just means you use executive orders to make changes

Biden made 17 executive orders day one, including ending the remain in Mexico policy
that Trump had in place

so now we have an illegal invasion over the southern border

Trump will just reestablish many of his previous, but smart policies, through executive orders
 
The Constitution authorizes Congress to establish naturalization requirements. The First Congress in 1790 set up procedures for immigration and for immigrants to become citizens. Anyone could enter and become a citizen -- but only if they were white. So maybe our founders are not infallible guides in this area.https://immigrationhistory.org/timeline/
I don’t blame our founders for their racial tendencies, it was the norm of the day, very accepted, unfortunately, and took many many years to reverse
You mention congress established guidelines
for immigration
Important fact

We have to continue that, and make changes as necessary for todays times, not yesterdays

We aren’t a country with boundless open land, and financial resources to take care of everybody and anybody

Not to mention the security of the country

Again, our previous founders would understand that
 
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Main point is and a fact: Would wager 95 % of Americans born here or whose ancestors arrived here over the past several hundred years were not against LEGAL entry.There were many who had bias against probably all foreigners even those from their own country or continents. On this sports board over the years never saw it espoused that legal application to enter was the problem. For political power to be maintained it needs to be disregarded and approved … at least that’s what some want to push. Allowing groups to use the narrative “ free speech “ has it’s limits.
 
I don’t blame our founders for their racial tendencies, it was the norm of the day, very accepted, unfortunately, and took many many years to reverse
You mention congress established guidelines
for immigration
Important fact

We have to continue that, and make changes as necessary for todays times, not yesterdays

We aren’t a country with boundless open land, and financial resources to take care of everybody and anybody

Not to mention the security of the country

Again, our previous founders would understand that
It won't surprise you that it took until 1870, after the Civil War, for black immigrants to have the opportunity to gain citizenship. It took until 1943 for Chinese immigrants and 1952 for Japanese immigrants.
 
Nice try
Being a dictator on day one just means you use executive orders to make changes

Biden made 17 executive orders day one, including ending the remain in Mexico policy
that Trump had in place

so now we have an illegal invasion over the southern border

Trump will just reestablish many of his previous, but smart policies, through executive orders
I don't think you understand what the word DICTATOR means. It's not just keeping out illegal immigrants or rounding up and deporting the ones already here. It's a lot more than that. Ask someone who has lived under a dictator.
 
Nice try
Being a dictator on day one just means you use executive orders to make changes

Biden made 17 executive orders day one, including ending the remain in Mexico policy
that Trump had in place

so now we have an illegal invasion over the southern border

Trump will just reestablish many of his previous, but smart policies, through executive orders
Just so you know . .. executive orders cannot change the law. They cannot override statutes passed by Congress, decisions of the courts, or even rules made by administrative agencies. All they can do is tell departments and other administrative agencies how to go about carrying out the law. That's important, but not at all the same thing. Here's a reasonably good summary:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Lots of Presidents have issued lots of executive orders. None characterized themselves as dictators in doing it.
 
I don't think you understand what the word DICTATOR means. It's not just keeping out illegal immigrants or rounding up and deporting the ones already here. It's a lot more than that. Ask someone who has lived under a dictator.
That is what Trump meant, exactly what I said
You will see after he takes office

He will reverse everything Biden did,
By executive order

because Biden made so many mistakes
 
Just so you know . .. executive orders cannot change the law. They cannot override statutes passed by Congress, decisions of the courts, or even rules made by administrative agencies. All they can do is tell departments and other administrative agencies how to go about carrying out the law. That's important, but not at all the same thing. Here's a reasonably good summary:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Lots of Presidents have issued lots of executive orders. None characterized themselves as dictators in doing it.
Again, that is what Trump meant
 
Again, that is what Trump meant
You don't know that. The problem with Trump is that it's often hard to know what he means because he expresses himself so loosely. -- maybe intentionally, maybe not. If, say, Ronald Reagan had planned to issue twenty executive orders his first day, he wouldn't have said what Trump said.
 
You don't know that. The problem with Trump is that it's often hard to know what he means because he expresses himself so loosely. -- maybe intentionally, maybe not. If, say, Ronald Reagan had planned to issue twenty executive orders his first day, he wouldn't have said what Trump said.
Ok, give me an example of what Trump could do, other than executive orders, that would be
dictator like?
Imprison people? Abolish branches of government?

Do you expect something radical,?
 
Thing which they can’t answer is simple. What actually did Trump do to bring on your personal hate of him ? 99% never met the guy , spoke to the man or were harmed in anyway. It’s strictly party BS… not country… not democracy related. When the Biden war chest started going dry that is what brought on the recent coup d eta.
 
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Ok, give me an example of what Trump could do, other than executive orders, that would be
dictator like?
Imprison people? Abolish branches of government?

Do you expect something radical,?
I don't know what to expect. But I will say this: I said above that Ronald Reagan would never have said "dictator on the first day." One reason is that he understood the American system of government much better than Donald Trump seems to. The second and more important reason is that it would have been political poison before now to have said anything that could be taken as a desire to be a dictator. But there is so much frustration in our nation right now that, unfortunately, talk about being a dictator appeals to at least some people. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have said it.
 
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I don't know what to expect. But I will say this: I said above that Ronald Reagan would never have said "dictator on the first day." One reason is that he understood the American system of government much better than Donald Trump seems to. The second and more important reason is that it would have been political poison before now to have said anything that could be taken as a desire to be a dictator. But there is so much frustration in our nation right now that, unfortunately, talk about being a dictator appeals to at least some people. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have said it.
I would not compare Reagan and Trump
Trump will say things just to be inflammatory

Bottom line is, his dictatorship will be executive orders and nothing more
Why?
What else is there ?
 
I would not compare Reagan and Trump
Trump will say things just to be inflammatory

Bottom line is, his dictatorship will be executive orders and nothing more
Why?
What else is there ?
Then why does he speak of it as dictatorship, even for a day? Why does he think it's politically helpful "just to be inflammatory?"

I compare Reagan and Trump not because they are similar, but because they are so dissimilar both in their beliefs and in the way they express them. I have to admit I never liked Reagan, but he was an angel next to Trump.
 
Then why does he speak of it as dictatorship, even for a day? Why does he think it's politically helpful "just to be inflammatory?"

I compare Reagan and Trump not because they are similar, but because they are so dissimilar both in their beliefs and in the way they express them. I have to admit I never liked Reagan, but he was an angel next to Trump.
It’s just talk
Let’s be real, he can’t really be a dictator, can he?
Again, he will reverse as much of Bidens horrible executive orders as he can, day one
 
It’s just talk
Let’s be real, he can’t really be a dictator, can he?
Again, he will reverse as much of Bidens horrible executive orders as he can, day one
Politicians --including Trump -- weigh every word. All I ask is that you consider why he thinks it's helpful to him to say he'd be a dictator on day one.
 
Politicians --including Trump -- weigh every word. All I ask is that you consider why he thinks it's helpful to him to say he'd be a dictator on day one.
I took it as him saying he will get the boarder closed on day 1, idk. Trump will do what he did the first time. Increase US gas/oil production, reduce the fed interest rate, lower taxes, fund the military, etc. One of the bigger challenges that he promised would be to end the two major wars going on. Most all politicians what those wars to continue to make some dough.
 
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I took it as him saying he will get the boarder closed on day 1, idk. Trump will do what he did the first time. Increase US gas/oil production, reduce the fed interest rate, lower taxes, fund the military, etc. One of the bigger challenges that he promised would be to end the two major wars going on. Most all politicians what those wars to continue to make some dough.
He can do some of that by executive order -- but a lot he can't.
 
Politicians --including Trump -- weigh every word. All I ask is that you consider why he thinks it's helpful to him to say he'd be a dictator on day one.
I think it was foolish to say it when you can’t be one
 
I think it was foolish to say it when you can’t be one
I hope you're right that it was just foolishness. But maybe he thought that the statement would benefit him politically. That would be scary -- not so much because he would actually be a dictator, but because it would indicate that there are a significant number of voters who want one.
 
But there is so much frustration in our nation right now that, unfortunately, talk about being a dictator appeals to at least some people. Otherwise Trump wouldn't have said it.
There's no way Americans could be appealed to by a dictatorship. Not real Americans.
 
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But then my wife is fond of telling me "You expect too much from people."
Guilty.
 
Politicians --including Trump -- weigh every word. All I ask is that you consider why he thinks it's helpful to him to say he'd be a dictator on day one.

I think Trump goes off script on occasion. Read that a lot of the last half of his acceptance speech was.
 
I am. The American Indians shoulda never allowed all us illegals to immigrate from Europe. We came and spread like locusts and now look at us.
I've read that back in the day several Indian leaders led chants of "Build The Wall" and claimed that Europe would pay for it.
 
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