OT: Property tax relief coming for those over 65
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Anything that happens in the classroom or administratively is being driven by NJEA. No if ands or buts.
Would you say you have seen an increase in this type of behavior over the last 7 years specifically? Certainly more since Covid?
Their salaries are outrageous. I do not understand why the members vote to approve them.
So to analyze, it’s the parents. Parents who complain to administrators and school boards who refuse to hold them in check and continue to pile on more work to teachers. Simultaneously we all know the ‘problem kids’ likely have some of the laziest POS parents imaginable who complain to the administrators about how everything but their kid and their parenting (or lack there of) is the issue.
But I’ll take it a step further and call out the further ‘elephant’ (irony) in the room that I don’t expect you to as a teacher (nor should you be expected to) will call out but likely know…. Take special notice of what side of the political aisle the posters who don’t agree it’s the parents come from…. You said it yourself that in the last 5 years the numbers of new teachers has dropped substantially… what’s the common denominator?😉. And yea certain people said it can’t be because of a single person, when in reality we are now starting to feel the real effects of how much that asshole did to society.
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The wage migration and influx of population is not retirees. It is families taking high paying jobs to Florida.
This is one article from a couple of years ago.
But it rings true today.
Florida attracts more ultra-wealthy movers than any other state | Fortune
Two of the top five fastest growing cities for millionaires are in Florida, a new report finds: Miami and West Palm Beach.
fortune.com
There is an article today from Bloomberg that is behind a paywall that speaks of the continuing wealth migration to the tune of $100 billion moving from the north-south. We are talking about an increase of $100 billion in earnings from South Carolina to Florida.
People are tired of paying huge tax bills and not having the quality of life they desire.
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You really believe that Florida’s increase in population is due to ‘Ultra wealthy Families’ moving in and not due to retirees???? Huuuuuuboy that’s comically innacurate. Oh Florida and specifically Ron Desantis’ attack on teachers have them in a situation more dire than anyone in the country. #1 in the country in teacher vacancies. Why is he popular in Florida? Take a look at the age demographics of Florida’s compared to the rest of the country….
Florida: share of population by age group U.S. 2023 | Statista
In 2023, about 12.4 percent of the population in Florida was between 25 and 34 years old.
www.statista.com
Pay special attention to the 45-54 demographics, 55-64 demographics, then the SPIKE in 65-74. That is retirees!!! The population of the country is much higher in the 45-64 age demographic than 65-74 (old people die). In conclusion if it were the ultra millionaire families as you suggested those numbers in the 45-64 age demographic would outweigh 65-74. They don’t..
But keep blaming everything else.
2024 is truly going to be hilarious.
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I would probably agree with that. Admins say these kids haven't had real school in so long due to covid that we have to basically let them do what they want. Meanwhile, we've been back in school for two years. I fear that this lack of respect for teachers is the new normal.
Once again project! You said families are not moving to Florida I posted 2 sources that show a "Wage MIgration". Showing not just high wage earners but wage earners with families moving to Florida and other southern states. You do know that there will always be a spike in the 65-74 demo? Because you know people do retire there. But the largest growing demo is not the 65-74 demo. But I think you knew that. Wouldn't classify myself as a Trump supporter, But keep drinking the Biden Kool aid and see where this thing ends. I never once brought one side of the politics into this discussion but you can't stop.You really believe that Florida’s increase in population is due to ‘Ultra wealthy Families’ moving in and not due to retirees???? Huuuuuuboy that’s comically innacurate. Oh Florida and specifically Ron Desantis’ attack on teachers have them in a situation more dire than anyone in the country. #1 in the country in teacher vacancies. Why is he popular in Florida? Take a look at the age demographics of Florida’s compared to the rest of the country….
Florida: share of population by age group U.S. 2023 | Statista
In 2023, about 12.4 percent of the population in Florida was between 25 and 34 years old.
Pay special attention to the 45-54 demographics, 55-64 demographics, then the SPIKE in 65-74. That is retirees!!! The population of the country is much higher in the 45-64 age demographic than 65-74 (old people die). In conclusion if it were the ultra millionaire families as you suggested those numbers in the 45-64 age demographic would outweigh 65-74. They don’t..
But keep blaming everything else.
2024 is truly going to be hilarious.
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Whataboutism is a heck of a way to try to twist a narrative you know you lost. Congratulations, that’s what your response was, nothing more than whataboutism.
The reason for the teachers shortage IS political. How can one have a conversation about something where there is a core issue (teacher shortage) that was CLEARLY caused by one sides political motivation. Again it’s not about right and wrong, it’s about how do we get more qualified teachers. The answer is right in front of you, it’s just hard for any person to hear hear that it’s their entire political philosophy over the last 7 years that is the direct cause
Twisting a narrative? You are a special human being. You stated only “white hairs are moving to Florida”. I showed that there has been a huge wealth/wage transfer to that state via working families but I lost the argument? Spectacular. You win the participation medal your generation craves. And what’s funny it’s that same generation which is the fastest growing demo in Florida.
Which those behaviors are undoubtably learned from their parents. Kids didn’t just wake up and become bad kids, over time (specifically the last few years) their parents have taken things to a new level in terms of disrespecting opinions they don’t like or agree with and the kids are simply reflecting those learned behaviors.
I cannot believe how obvious this correlation is and how so many willingly refuse to see what’s right in front of them.
I bring up the board meetings because while teachers are pretty uninvolved there, that’s where the administrators hear the parents and add all this extra work and bs hoops to jump through.
Parents really don't attend board meetings to complain as much as the media would have you believe. They email and call.
I'm 38. 16 years teaching. Vested in the pension. But have always saved for retirement pretending the pension won't exist.
So I'm early enough in that making a big jump isn't super risky, but I will have some pension (if it doesn't collapse) when I retire.
It will happen in Florida too.. the high taxes.
Florida is in a high growth period. Municipalities and counties with small number of retired workers and limited infrastructure to pay benefits for are expanding like crazy and they build stuff they have to maintain forever and hire accordingly and while the tax rolls are benefitting from this period of low overhead, you just KNOW that there will be politicians wanting to spend that excess money (even with low tax rates) and reward workers and so on.
At some point, the growth will move to another region or even a different municipality or county and the projected growth they used to base their spending on will crash. But they will have the financial burden of those decisions.
Now, in the union-friendly blue states.. with sweetheart deals between politicians and public worker unions.. that burden is much heavier.. but that, too, might come to Florida... especially in blue cities. Then you'll have red counties and the red state stuck with the burden of failing blue cities.. because, you know.. the voters!.. oh, I meant.. the people!.. the children!
Shhh you can’t say this. It make too much sense. And you may offend someone.
But, keep in mind, I could be wrong. Florida could, possibly, keep a watchful eye out that this does not happen... And yet, I think the odds are that it will.
They are building schools like nuts and developments are popping up all over... the secondary roads are not keeping pace.. traffic backups are weird and with water EVERYWHERE.. there are limitations to alternate routes. In New Jersey you probably have 2-3 routes you could use to get anywhere... down around orlando... many chokepoints. it is going to be "interesting".
Still a good deal right now and probably for at least 20-30 years... depending if the whole country goes to hell or not.
bad teaching pool, admin that is corrupt to the core, and leftist policies
blame the parents all you want but when a teacher tells a kid he's wrong for telling another he/she is a freak to a kid who thinks he/she is a cat then you know the whole system is fked
2 high schools in NJ have litter boxes in the bathrooms for 'cat kids'
blame the parents all you want but when a teacher tells a kid he's wrong for telling another he/she is a freak to a kid who thinks he/she is a cat then you know the whole system is fked
2 high schools in NJ have litter boxes in the bathrooms for 'cat kids'
If you blindly click on a thread title you can sometimes read a dozen or more messages and not come close to guessing what the thread is about in ten tries. Would make a great drinking game
We have some people seething with rage over certain.subjects, like trans people. It doesn't take much to get them to spit bile.
You are just a walking political commercial. You know it all, your opinion is the only one that matters, and anyone that disagrees with you must be an idiot. Grow up.
Again, I understand it’s hard hearing your side is the entire cause for the teacher shortage which is being backed up by the actual teachers posting in this thread. But of course in today’s media you aren’t used to hearing what you don’t want to even when it’s staring you in the face.
Yup I am a know it all when it comes to this, and I’m going to continue to call out the idiots who are ruining kids education.
Twist it however you want, the numbers are the numbers
You must be about three years old. You have no idea what my thoughts are on the teachers shortage, because I didn’t state them. All I see is someone that claims their opinion as fact, and vilifies anyone that disagrees. I am a firm believer that moderates (on either side of the aisle) have much more in common than they do in contrast. You sir, are everything that is wrong with America today.
no one on here worse than the Schianophobes (greg is the savior, never wrong, build the alter) lol
Schianophiles, though at least that's on topic
Lol, so you’ve never seen me post. Because I’m the single biggest Schiano hater in this board.
I have noticed what a crack up job the public school teachers have done in Baltimore. It seems to me even more of them should leave the profession.
And replace them with who exactly? Because people are lining up to work in the Baltimore city school system where teachers get beat up on a daily basis… yea that’s the solution!
I can take a lump sum with a 20 percent hit for taxes.
I have my ROTH IRA, traditional IRA, mutual funds, and I will have a matching program at my new school.
I have been debating if I keep the pension as just additional income with all the other funds I have (would be like 1500 a month when I retire) or take the lump sum out and roll it into other investments.
Senior citizens aren’t the ones that need help. Many are sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets not to mention SS income, perhaps pension income. It’s the working class dude making $20/hour at best at a warehouse raising a kid or two that needs some help. But as usual, everything the government does is backwards, especially in backwards NJ
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