OT- Reports Hackenberg brutally bad at Jets camp
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Or Franklin screwed him up so much that it is taking time to fix him.
Let's take the high road here.
Are we really rooting against Hackenberg with the Jets because he played at PSU ?
Those days are over. Let's move on.
Are we really rooting against Hackenberg with the Jets because he played at PSU ?
Those days are over. Let's move on.
No one will ever know about Hack. Coming out of HS the knock on him was he was inconsistent and inaccurate at times. My biggest issue with him as a true FR under OB was that he was wildly inconsistent...but he was a true FR so he got a pass. That never really changed. Was it lack of coaching? Being in the wrong system? Not improving? Probably all of the above. You never know how badly that shell shocked SO campaign impacted him. He took an absolute beating and his confidence had to be broken.
The reality is that Hack and his family got sold a bag of shet by Bill O'Brien and he should have never come to Penn State. That's the reason I have no respect for O'Brien and never will.
The reality is that Hack and his family got sold a bag of shet by Bill O'Brien and he should have never come to Penn State. That's the reason I have no respect for O'Brien and never will.
Hack hasn't had a real coach in years. To then go to the highest level with horrible tendencies is going to be a long road. Fortunately, he has real coaching now.
And it wasn't Sandusky.....or was it?
BOB didn't sell him a bag of poop.
Franklin's offense wasn't suited for him and that's why he showed promise under BOB's coaching and Franklin's style of play ruined him.
Franklin was the poop giver by not telling Hack he wasn't going to succeed in the O Franklin planned to run.
Even with that Hack didn't do as bad as people say, but did have to get the ball out quick and that made him look bad because of the lack of protection he received .
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Is it Franklin's fault that OB lied to Hack and his family? Did Franklin recruit him to PSU?
Hack didn't do as bad as people say? Good God are you clueless. Look at his statistics. He was God awful. Sorry but coaching isn't the problem when you sail a ball out of bounds or into the dirt when throwing a straight pass to a person 10 yards away.
You are an absolutely horrible poster who has no clue WTF he is talking about. Keep acting like OB didn't get the Big 4 and their families together and make a promise he didn't keep.
Petty people resort to petty insults.
Hack was a good QB ruined by Franklin and the minute he said that to BFL scouts he became the Nits enemy in their " nothing bad should ever be said about the Penn St HC. The NFL scouts said Hack shouln't have said Franklin's coaching hurt him, even if it was true.
I'll take the scouts word over a bitter Nit that doesn't like Penn St looking bad for any football reason.
On BOB he became fair game and the reason everything isn't working as it should be because he felt Happy Valley and its inmates didn't make him happy enough to stay
the way the cult ruled everything surrounding football there.
Petty nits blame him for their fb problems when not using sanctions as an excuse
and whining about those pointing out nit lies about him because they don't like the truth about their precious head coach Franklin.
This isn't BWI where criticism about Franklin probably would be met with insults and/or worse. You might claim not to post there, but bring that board's mentality here every-time you see something about Penn St you don't like and in this case, the truth hurts you.
This is Scarlet Nation where a certain Nit posting here feels the need to insult those that don't adhere to BWI rules. Scarlet Nation lets-everyone have their say , even the ones that hand out petty insults when they feel Penn St fb or coach has been put down in a Rutgers board. Doesn't matter if it's the truth, Penn St posters have been known to ignore them if the facts don't fit their agenda.
I have enough of a clue to realize Franklin's coaching retarded Hacks development as a QB
You guys crack me up, he has been in the NFL for 20 minutes. He is the lowest qb on the roster and will never be on active nfl roster this yr. he is in learning mode.
Not only have you talked out of your rear-end about every topic regarding Penn State, you backed it up with showing just how knowledgeable you are regarding things that are Rutgers related. Well done, sir. Well done.
Fred Hansen? You know, the highest rated kid on your board who just put you in his T3. Would be a nice get.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/fred-hansard-tweet.95760/page-2
p.s. go to page two and look for posts from @MADHAT1
I have never wanted a Jet to fail before but there's a first for everything. And I even rooted for Glenn f***ing Foley
Good point.
The Jets coaching might not be a step up over Franklin.
Thank God for Namath so many years ago, or the Jets would be like the Eagles.
kjb32812:
Guess I got under your skin by making sure your BS was challenged and you feel the need to retaliate. Do ahead anytime you like, it only gives this board more insight into the type of poster you are.
As far as making a mistake when posting about Fred Hansard by calling him Hansen I admitted misspelling his name and apologized for it.
When I am wrong I admit it and don't feel the need to insult those who point my mistakes out even during a disagreement with them.
Thanks for telling RU_Coming_Along wher to look for my mistake and hopefully RU_Coming_Along will also see my post admitting I misspelled Fred Hansard's last name and apologized to Fred Hansard and this board ( including Nit posters , like you) for doing so.
The way you are acting makes me feel you might be the type that doesn't like being told you are wrong
So you feel the need to put down those who disagree with your bashing a ex Nit QB who didn't feel the present Nit HC helped his pro aspirations and groth as a QB
Also your putdowns of an ex Nit HC who had enough of putting up with the cults expectation that he genuflect every time Paterno's name pops up and left the Penn St football program just proves facts don't matter to you, defending the Nit FB program even if your wrong is more important than admitting the truth.
Claiming BOB lied to Hack and his family because he didn't stay until Hack left is just plain bitter Nit spin. BOB was forced out by the cult interfering with the way he wanted to run the Penn St football program. That is something those like you refuse to admit
because it makes Penn St look bad and that is something you will never accept, even if it's the truth.
Guess I got under your skin by making sure your BS was challenged and you feel the need to retaliate. Do ahead anytime you like, it only gives this board more insight into the type of poster you are.
As far as making a mistake when posting about Fred Hansard by calling him Hansen I admitted misspelling his name and apologized for it.
When I am wrong I admit it and don't feel the need to insult those who point my mistakes out even during a disagreement with them.
Thanks for telling RU_Coming_Along wher to look for my mistake and hopefully RU_Coming_Along will also see my post admitting I misspelled Fred Hansard's last name and apologized to Fred Hansard and this board ( including Nit posters , like you) for doing so.
The way you are acting makes me feel you might be the type that doesn't like being told you are wrong
So you feel the need to put down those who disagree with your bashing a ex Nit QB who didn't feel the present Nit HC helped his pro aspirations and groth as a QB
Also your putdowns of an ex Nit HC who had enough of putting up with the cults expectation that he genuflect every time Paterno's name pops up and left the Penn St football program just proves facts don't matter to you, defending the Nit FB program even if your wrong is more important than admitting the truth.
Claiming BOB lied to Hack and his family because he didn't stay until Hack left is just plain bitter Nit spin. BOB was forced out by the cult interfering with the way he wanted to run the Penn St football program. That is something those like you refuse to admit
because it makes Penn St look bad and that is something you will never accept, even if it's the truth.
Given Foley's comments about the toilet bowl, that is quite a level of forgiveness
Is there a colkege HC that has ever told a kid he is recruiting that he is looking to move to the NFL as soon as he got a chance? That's just stupid.
In BOB's offense, Hack would have thrived, that is all Hack could hope for. BOB left and Hack made the decision to stay at PSU under Franklin. Obviously, Franklin had long discussions with the kid and his family and convinced them Hack would continue to thrive.
Regardless, let's see how the new QB does.
And like others have mentioned...we couldn't have this debate in your board so please, have at least a little respect on ours.
In BOB's offense, Hack would have thrived, that is all Hack could hope for. BOB left and Hack made the decision to stay at PSU under Franklin. Obviously, Franklin had long discussions with the kid and his family and convinced them Hack would continue to thrive.
Regardless, let's see how the new QB does.
And like others have mentioned...we couldn't have this debate in your board so please, have at least a little respect on ours.
Exactly
People don't realize that as a freshman under OB that he had 3 current NFL starters on the OL, 2 experienced RB's and oh yeah an All Pro WR in Allen Robinson that would bail him out. Look I love that CH stuck to his commitment to the program, but he was not that good....
I view Hack and OB similarly: When they came to PSU, it was the best thing for the program, and when they left, it was the best thing for the program. Have to appreciate OB's willingness to step into that kind of situation, even if his end game was always to go back to the NFL, and have to admire Hack's decision to stay the course, first when the sanctions were announced and then when OB left. He showed a lot of character.
As far as this report goes, here we have a story - from a blog that admittedly already believed Hack is destined to fail - based on a tweet from a guy I've never heard of citing a "couple reliable sources." Apologies if I'm not ready to hand these guys all a Pulitzer.
The reality is Hack is in his first training camp and is a developmental player at this point. He won't see the field this season, nor should he. He has a chance to become a good NFL quarterback because he can make throws that 99% of humans cannot, but he needs to get his mechanics and accuracy in order to capitalize on that chance.
FWIW, a poster on another PSU site says he also has a "source" who is at Jets camp every day, and Hack has apparently done relatively well in his limited reps. Very engaged, hanging around Fitzpatrick, putting in extra work. He has a long way to go, obviously, but I wouldn't put too much stock in "brutally bad" on August 8, 2016. This "news" that comes out of training camp, especially from unnamed sources, could be based on a few reps someone saw. It'll be interesting to get a look at Hack during the preseason games.
As far as this report goes, here we have a story - from a blog that admittedly already believed Hack is destined to fail - based on a tweet from a guy I've never heard of citing a "couple reliable sources." Apologies if I'm not ready to hand these guys all a Pulitzer.
The reality is Hack is in his first training camp and is a developmental player at this point. He won't see the field this season, nor should he. He has a chance to become a good NFL quarterback because he can make throws that 99% of humans cannot, but he needs to get his mechanics and accuracy in order to capitalize on that chance.
FWIW, a poster on another PSU site says he also has a "source" who is at Jets camp every day, and Hack has apparently done relatively well in his limited reps. Very engaged, hanging around Fitzpatrick, putting in extra work. He has a long way to go, obviously, but I wouldn't put too much stock in "brutally bad" on August 8, 2016. This "news" that comes out of training camp, especially from unnamed sources, could be based on a few reps someone saw. It'll be interesting to get a look at Hack during the preseason games.
I can't wait for the PSU posters to tell you that you know nothing and to name one person you knew personally that sat down with a coach to talk about how he fits into a system or someone that actually made it to the nfl.
I'm sick of all these Hack apologists. You make it seem like he is a baby and can't adjust to new coaches and we should feel sorry for him. Let's look at the facts: spent 1 year with BOB played OK. Spent 2 years with Franklin - did not play well. Maybe its the coach, maybe it was the personnel and maybe (God forbid) the QB either started to suck or once other coaches had film on him they knew his weaknesses. Since PSU, he spent months with a QB guru, going through film study, drills, regiment EVERY DAY. So, this crap about Franklin retarding his progress is ridiculous at this point - he's been trained thoroughly since PSU. If he can't adjust to new coaches, new systems, new personnel he shouldn't be in the NFL - period. They said Chip Kelly ruined Mariota and Mike Sherman ruined Ryan Tannehill and Frank Beamer ruined Tyrod Taylor, etc ...
Bottom line - if the guy has the talent and intelligence to adjust, he will be good under most systems. Most QBs have dealt with coaching changes in college/NFL - its just the way of life. He's also not the only QB to play in college with poor OL - look at Cutler, Bortles, Carr, etc... Most likely, my J-E-T-S probably made another dumbass decision and we'll be stuck in 8-8 land for the foreseeable future.
My skin still crawls when I see PSU posters on this board.
I am cool with everyone else who comes and posts here. I really wish we could ban PSU posters. I ruins my day seeing that lion on their posts.
I am cool with everyone else who comes and posts here. I really wish we could ban PSU posters. I ruins my day seeing that lion on their posts.
According to Gruden's QB show on ESPN, Franklin tinkered with Hack's footwork (and not in a good way).
Anyone who has ever thrown a ball for sport will tell you: it all starts in the hips, legs, & feet.
This is more so for QBs since in a lot of passing systems, the footwork is tied to the pass concept.
Anyone who has ever thrown a ball for sport will tell you: it all starts in the hips, legs, & feet.
This is more so for QBs since in a lot of passing systems, the footwork is tied to the pass concept.
The biggest mystery is why the Jets used a 2nd round pick on him, they could have gambled with 4th or 5th round pick. You don't use a 2nd rock pick on a risky, long term gamble.
Hack wasn't making it to the middle or late rounds. His natural arm talent is off the charts, and he's proved to be a quick study in the QB room. If it wasn't the Jets, somebody else would have made a move for him by the 3rd round at the latest. This is a QB-driven league and his ceiling is too high to slide that far.
You're exactly right. Tough to really know who is to blame for Hack. The reality is that he just might not have been that good. FWIW, prior to the draft they had a former NFL GM on talk radio here in Cleveland. Of course, the Browns were in the market for a QB so they asked about Hack. The GM pointed to his accuracy issues that were there coming out of high school and followed him throughout college and said it is the one QB trait that is nearly impossible to fix. TIFWIW
I knew someone would reach for him. It is a QB driven league and teams reach for QBs every single year. Shoot, just looking at my Browns over the past decade I can name three - Quinn, Weeden and Manziel. It's always going to be that way.
This shouldn't be a surprise- coaching is a huge difference maker. Hackenburg may be a total bust. But to say he has adequate coaching after being with Franklin for 2 years is laughable.
A former NFL GM just about placed all the blame on Franklin and your coming out of HS with bad mechanics spin is just your trying to make it look like Franklin's coaching didn't ruin Hack's developing into a good College QB.
NFL draft 2016: Christian Hackenberg's accuracy issues stem from 'terrible beating' he took at Penn State, Bill Polian says
>Hackenberg's performance over the last two seasons is only a part of his evaluation.
The former five-star recruit showed big promise in his first season at Penn State, which was played under the guidance of coach Bill O'Brien, now with the Houston Texans, behind an experienced offensive line and with Pro Bowler Allen Robinson as his primary target.
Since that season, Hackenberg has struggled to stay upright behind a porous offensive line. His playmakers were far less dynamic and experienced, and his coaching has been called into question. Hackenberg took 83 sacks in his sophomore and junior seasons, which impacted his accuracy and mechanics, former NFL general manager Bill Polian said.
"Hackenberg has got mechanical issues that I think need to be straightened out," Polian said on ESPN's 'Mike and Mike' Monday morning. "That's a result of the terrible beating he took at Penn State this year. I've never seen a quarterback survive the kind of beating that he took this year. The fact that he did is to his credit, but he needs some developmental work because when you take a beating like that, your mechanics go all to heck."<
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/03/nfl_draft_2016_christian_hacke.html
Even the top QB recruits need proper coaching when they get to the College level .
BOB gave Hack the type of coaching he needed, Franklin and his OC didn't and that's probably one of the reasons Franklin needed to get a new OC for this season. Didn't want to ruin Hack's replacement like Hack was ruined.
Like I said above, no one knows what the problem with Hack is. Completely impossible to know. Obviously there are many opinions out there.
Once again, you are showing just how little you know about Penn State football. The OC was a scape goat...Franklin was running the offense. To boot, McSorley and Stevens are dual threat QBs. Carry on though. You look more inept with every post.
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