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When do you expect we hit the terminal rate?
Probably after the March 21/22 Fed meeting. So perhaps 2 more 0.25% increases? The March meeting is very important, since we will have 2 CPI reports between the Jan 31/Feb 1 meeting and that one.

After those CPIs (3 more in total), a formal pause may be announced at the March meeting, so only 1 more increase. We shall see!
 
Probably after the March 21/22 Fed meeting. So perhaps 2 more 0.25% increases? The March meeting is very important, since we will have 2 CPI reports between the Jan 31/Feb 1 meeting and that one.

After those CPIs (3 more in total), a formal pause may be announced at the March meeting, so only 1 more increase. We shall see!
That seems about right to me as well. They will over-tighten before they realize they did so.
 
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Finally. I had a friend who followed these guys. He did well a few times thanks to lucky timing but kept getting dumped on and couldn’t understand why no matter how many times me or others tried to tell him it was a pnd scheme.
only the little guys will take a hit. The real manipulators like Musk, O’Leary and Scaramucci can’t be touched.

ETA. Forgot about to add the worst of them Palihapitiya
 
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FYI - Fidelty just dropped a ton of 2023/Year Ahead articles on sectors and macros. Great stuff:

Here is a good nugget from the consumer discretionary article:

For instance, home-improvement retail stocks fell in 2022, possibly due to investors' perception (or misperception) that high home prices and rising mortgage rates would negatively impact the segment. While those forces do clearly impact home sales and turnover, there's less evidence that they impact the repair and restoration of existing homes.

In fact, the reverse may be true. High home prices and mortgage rates could mean more homeowners end up remaining in place longer—and turn their focus to improving and maintaining their current homes rather than moving. Retailers like Home Depot Inc. (HD), Lowes Cos. Inc. (LOW), and Floor & Decor Holdings (FND) have supported this investment thesis.
 
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Here is a good nugget from the consumer discretionary article:

For instance, home-improvement retail stocks fell in 2022, possibly due to investors' perception (or misperception) that high home prices and rising mortgage rates would negatively impact the segment. While those forces do clearly impact home sales and turnover, there's less evidence that they impact the repair and restoration of existing homes.

In fact, the reverse may be true. High home prices and mortgage rates could mean more homeowners end up remaining in place longer—and turn their focus to improving and maintaining their current homes rather than moving. Retailers like Home Depot Inc. (HD), Lowes Cos. Inc. (LOW), and Floor & Decor Holdings (FND) have supported this investment thesis.
Definitely makes sense. I'm still feeling bullish on healthcare and biotech. Will be reviewing all those sector reports throughout the day.
 
Art Cashin on, says watch out for the $3900 level. If it breaks that it could trigger cascade selling.

He thinks if we can hold here, that sets us up for the seasonal Santa Claus rally.

Says the sell off today is all internal to the market.
 
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Art Cashin on, says watch out for the $3900 level. If it breaks that it could trigger cascade selling.

He thinks if we can hold here, that sets us up for the seasonal Santa Claus rally.

Says the sell off today is all internal to the market.
Regardless, need to start buying dips with inflation crashing so quickly. With the lag in housing data catching up and the increased base comparator, many are looking for CPI headline YoY to be well into the 3's by mid-2023.

Planning to max our 2023 backdoor Roth IRA on Jan 2. Not waiting.
 
New Podcast with Cathie Wood and Jeremy Siegel. Interesting combo!

CW desperately looking to blame the performance of her funds on external forces vs the nature of the funds themselves.

As for the old professor, he's just trying to be relevant vs retirement/obsolescence. LOL.
 
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Been watching LTHM. A Lithium company which has a deal with GM.

Profitable with a P/E of 24x and 40% eps growth yoy. That EPS growth is expected to slow in 2024 but if it hits the $2 EPS mark in 2024 then even at 15x, this is a $30 stock. Currently at $22.

As noted earnings and rev's do level off into 2024, so the question is, can it grow beyond that. I feel a lithium mining company should have good growth prospects long term.

Problem here is the stock has been coming down hard since early Nov. Falling knife, at least in the short term. Guessing this is tied with crude and other energy prices?
 
CW desperately looking to blame the performance of her funds on external forces vs the nature of the funds themselves.

As for the old professor, he's just trying to be relevant vs retirement/obsolescence. LOL.
Seems Siegel is doing pretty well staying relevant.
 
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CW desperately looking to blame the performance of her funds on external forces vs the nature of the funds themselves.

As for the old professor, he's just trying to be relevant vs retirement/obsolescence. LOL.
JS is a rock star. He was right about the Fed in 2021 and right about them now. Not many others can claim the same.
 
Been watching LTHM. A Lithium company which has a deal with GM.

Profitable with a P/E of 24x and 40% eps growth yoy. That EPS growth is expected to slow in 2024 but if it hits the $2 EPS mark in 2024 then even at 15x, this is a $30 stock. Currently at $22.

As noted earnings and rev's do level off into 2024, so the question is, can it grow beyond that. I feel a lithium mining company should have good growth prospects long term.

Problem here is the stock has been coming down hard since early Nov. Falling knife, at least in the short term. Guessing this is tied with crude and other energy prices?
Our managed Roth IRAs have a bunch of energy and material plays, including REMX and MP. Lithium (in general) is a good way to get EV exposure without having to pick winners and losers.
 
Our managed Roth IRAs have a bunch of energy and material plays, including REMX and MP. Lithium (in general) is a good way to get EV exposure without having to pick winners and losers.
I own MP as well. Have traded options around it. Down 15% on the core position, but a chunk of that is today.

Current P/E of 22, with EPS expected to come in in 2023, but then really take off after that.
 
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One thing I don’t fully understand is why inflation won’t simply return to unacceptable levels once the feds pause their rate cutting. Nothing all that tangible has occurred to prevent this from happening. Payrolls are still increasing.

Not to mention, the new price base is significantly higher than it was 1-2 years ago, so even if we return to nominal inflation it will be on top of the runup the past 2 years. I have to imagine this will continue to hurt consumer expenditures long term as wages are still lagging way behind. At some point this has to have an earnings impact, otherwise the math just doesn’t add up.
 
One thing I don’t fully understand is why inflation won’t simply return to unacceptable levels once the feds pause their rate cutting. Nothing all that tangible has occurred to prevent this from happening. Payrolls are still increasing.

Not to mention, the new price base is significantly higher than it was 1-2 years ago, so even if we return to nominal inflation it will be on top of the runup the past 2 years. I have to imagine this will continue to hurt consumer expenditures long term as wages are still lagging way behind. At some point this has to have an earnings impact, otherwise the math just doesn’t add up.
When the rates cuts are paused with Funds Rate in the 5% range, that level is significantly restrictive from an economic standpoint and will do a lot to destroy demand in interest sensitive sectors like real estate and capital intensive industrials. Dampening inflation does not require continual increases. It's all about the aboslute level of rates and the destruction of the TINA trade.
 
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One thing I don’t fully understand is why inflation won’t simply return to unacceptable levels once the feds pause their rate cutting. Nothing all that tangible has occurred to prevent this from happening. Payrolls are still increasing.

Not to mention, the new price base is significantly higher than it was 1-2 years ago, so even if we return to nominal inflation it will be on top of the runup the past 2 years. I have to imagine this will continue to hurt consumer expenditures long term as wages are still lagging way behind. At some point this has to have an earnings impact, otherwise the math just doesn’t add up.
Josh Brown was just talking about this on the Halftime. How Voelker cut rates, and then had to raise them again as inflation kept going. He thought that is why the Fed continues with hawkish talk, and I've been on this opinion as well.

Now will inflation kick back up after a pause?

I guess first you have to ask, what have been the inflation drivers?

The most obvious was governments around the world printing mass amounts of money. That's over.

Russia invading Ukraine, and Europe scrambling to buy up oil and LNG (not to mention grain, and the crazy stuff that happened with metals) was another, that, for the most part has been sorted out(countries loading up, not the war).

There is still the labor considerations, which Siegel has noted still needs to catchup to inflation. But will we figure out immigration, or increase the workforce participation rate? Who knows. So that is still a potential driver.

As per the price base, yeah, that's how it works, inflation raises the price of everything, goods as well as wages, reaches a new level, and then goes from there.
 
it's all about spending, when the FED mandates revolving credit restrictions then it will be under control. Until then, balance sheets are healthy, Fed auctions are not over subcribed, energy still high, CC debt at all time high and growing etc etc

it's all about credit, not the rates; the rates are for show each decade have lessening and slower impact on control inflation per se

did anyone see that the 'buy now pay later' for black friday accounted for 1/3 and drove the numbers? hope you guys are paying attention
 
it's all about spending, when the FED mandates revolving credit restrictions then it will be under control. Until then, balance sheets are healthy, Fed auctions are not over subcribed, energy still high, CC debt at all time high and growing etc etc

it's all about credit, not the rates; the rates are for show each decade have lessening and slower impact on control inflation per se

did anyone see that the 'buy now pay later' for black friday accounted for 1/3 and drove the numbers? hope you guys are paying attention
So buy Affirm? :)
 
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I hate to come off looking like the negatoids that wanted to run Pike out of town or those losing their patience with Schiano. But, from my view, nothing has changed. If S&P can not get back above 4000-4050 and close there on a daily or weekly basis (preferably) we have a problem. 3700 is the level that needs to hold, not 3900. Below 3700 (close) we will have a major problem. Good luck everyone.
 
I hate to come off looking like the negatoids that wanted to run Pike out of town or those losing their patience with Schiano. But, from my view, nothing has changed. If S&P can not get back above 4000-4050 and close there on a daily or weekly basis (preferably) we have a problem. 3700 is the level that needs to hold, not 3900. Below 3700 (close) we will have a major problem. Good luck everyone.
TA is crap/voodoo. It's all about news and inflation data.
 
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Regarding inflation and the Fed, read the following. A little long but an easy read with more questions than answers but food for thought:

The financial story of 2020 to the present day has been the Federal Reserve. They played a crucial role in creating the loose monetary and fiscal policy that drove the fastest economic recovery in history from the pandemic recession.

The same organization has been responsible for the portfolio-destroying tightening of financial conditions over the last year as well. If you had followed the old adage “don’t fight the Fed,” then you would have done well over the first 3 years of this decade.

The Federal Reserve is also at the heart of the most important question in finance today — “when will we return to loose monetary policy?”

Most investors believe that asset prices, regardless of the asset class, will move positive and continue the long-term trend of appreciating against the dollar once the Fed pivots. I think that theory makes sense.

There is a much deeper story around the Fed, interest rates, and inflation though. It is a story of long-term damage that most people haven’t had the time to think about yet. It is really important to start wrapping your head around this though because it will likely drive many of your financial decisions in the coming years and decades.

First, we must acknowledge that the Fed, along with supply chain disruptions, geopolitical conflicts, and human greed, have created immense damage to the American economy and individual’s ability to afford the basic goods such as food, shelter, and gasoline.

To put this in context, Lance Lambert put together this :

Through 35 months, the 2020s decade has seen 15.52% inflation. The entire 2010s decade saw 18.75%.

Simply, we haven’t seen an acceleration of inflation like this in a very long time. The ramifications are hard to fathom. And it is unclear how the next 7 years of the decade will play out.

There is a strong argument that prices for goods and services won’t come back down. We will likely see a slower inflation rate over time, but that only measures the year-over-year change. Use the cost of food as an example. Grocery stores or restaurants are not going to lower their prices when inflation comes down. They can’t do it. There input costs will not let them. So the price changes associated with the recent inflation is here to stay.

How bad have these price increases been? Prices increased in the 12 months ending November 2020 by 1.2%, which was within the target range. But then things got crazy. Prices increased from November 2020 to November 2021 by 6.8%. Prices have risen by 7.1% from November 2021 to November 2022.

This means that the price of consumer goods in the US economy has increased by almost 16% from November 2020 to November 2022 according to the official inflation metrics. And remember, these prices are not coming back down.

That will make it increasingly tough for the average American family to live their life. We know wages are not keeping up with the increased prices of consumer goods. People are falling behind and there is no relief in sight.



Charlie Bilello @charliebilello

US wage growth has failed to keep pace with rising consumer prices for a record 20 consecutive months. This is a decline in prosperity for the American worker & the primary reason why the Fed will hike rates for the 7th time this year at tomorrow's meeting. Charting via @ycharts



4:43 PM ∙ Dec 13, 2022


But this begs a very interesting question — what will the Federal Reserve expect to happen to the inflation rate in the steady state?

We know they continue to target 2% inflation as they have for many years. Before the pandemic era, the Fed would hit the inflation target, or at least be relatively close, using the official CPI metric. It is difficult to see how they will be able to get inflation back down to 2% and keep it there for a prolonged period of time.

The national debt is over $30 trillion and we have no path to paying a substantial amount back. So we are going to have to devalue the currency in order to make the game sustainable. A devaluing currency, especially one in an economy that is seeing larger boom and bust cycles, will only lose value faster and faster as the debt continues to grow.

So maybe the Fed will have to raise their inflation target?

This is not a random idea. I have been discussing the possibility since April 2022 publicly. On April 19th I wrote:

I have an intuition that the Federal Reserve is preparing to significantly increase the target inflation rate.

This decision will not be taken lightly by the central bank and their leadership, but it ultimately signals that inflation has escaped their control and rather than pull it back in with aggressive monetary policy decisions, the next best option is to simply manipulate the benchmark to make the situation appear less bad.


These things always take longer than we think and it appears that the idea is growing in popularity. Bill Ackman tweeted yesterday that his expectation is for the inflation rate target to be increased to 3% as well.



Bill Ackman @BillAckman

The @federalreserve 2% inflation target is no longer credible. De-globalization, the transition to alternative energy, the need to pay workers more, lower-risk, shorter supply chains are all inflationary. The Fed cannot change its target now, but will likely do so in the future.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022



Bill Ackman @BillAckman

When asked, Powell recommitted to a 2% target, but admitted that examining a higher rate was a possible ‘longer-term project.’ Businesses need price stability, but can thrive in a world with 3% stable inflation.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022




Bill Ackman @BillAckman

I don’t think the @federalreserve can get inflation back to 2% without a deep, job-destroying recession. Even if it gets back to 2%, it won’t remain stable there for the long term. Accepting 3%+/- inflation is a better strategy for a strong economy and job growth over the LT.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022


If the Federal Reserve was to raise their interest rate target to 3%, that would signal a new high(er) inflation environment. Every investor and citizen would have to adjust their assumptions and financial plans to account for this change. It probably sounds super nerdy and non-sexy, but a 50% increase in the inflation target would be a big moment in the American economy.

This brings me back to my point about the long-term damage that has been caused in the last three years. While various people in positions of power and influence were boasting of transitory inflation, we were actually laying the groundwork for a destruction of the economy as we knew it.

Prices are not going to come down. Inflation is still out of hand. The Fed is likely going to have to increase their target rate to appear to find success in the future. The wages of American workers is drastically behind price increases. This whole thing is a complete mess and there is no clear path out of it.

I won’t waste your time pontificating on potential solutions, because I don’t believe there is a tangible solution to dissect unfortunately. Every action that the Fed could take to bring inflation under control, and establish long-term management of the metric, would require a complete destruction of American jobs, businesses, and potentially entire sectors of the economy.

Human-led monetary and fiscal policy, coupled with government-mandated lockdowns that are now having their efficacy questioned, put us in this situation. The pandemic’s impact on the US economy can’t be forgotten. There was a major liquidity crisis in March 2020. Our leaders felt they had to intervene and do something.

It is time we ask though — “would we have been better off doing nothing and allowing the free market to figure it out?”

The answer to that question will be debated forever. But there are more people who say “yes” today than there were last year and I believe that history will be on the side of the free market enthusiasts. Thankfully, for both you and me, I am not in a position of decision-making on these issues though. I simply get to play Monday morning quarterback, so take my perspective with a grain of salt :)
 
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Regarding inflation and the Fed, read the following. A little long but an easy read with more questions than answers but food for thought:

The financial story of 2020 to the present day has been the Federal Reserve. They played a crucial role in creating the loose monetary and fiscal policy that drove the fastest economic recovery in history from the pandemic recession.

The same organization has been responsible for the portfolio-destroying tightening of financial conditions over the last year as well. If you had followed the old adage “don’t fight the Fed,” then you would have done well over the first 3 years of this decade.

The Federal Reserve is also at the heart of the most important question in finance today — “when will we return to loose monetary policy?”

Most investors believe that asset prices, regardless of the asset class, will move positive and continue the long-term trend of appreciating against the dollar once the Fed pivots. I think that theory makes sense.

There is a much deeper story around the Fed, interest rates, and inflation though. It is a story of long-term damage that most people haven’t had the time to think about yet. It is really important to start wrapping your head around this though because it will likely drive many of your financial decisions in the coming years and decades.

First, we must acknowledge that the Fed, along with supply chain disruptions, geopolitical conflicts, and human greed, have created immense damage to the American economy and individual’s ability to afford the basic goods such as food, shelter, and gasoline.

To put this in context, Lance Lambert put together this :

Through 35 months, the 2020s decade has seen 15.52% inflation. The entire 2010s decade saw 18.75%.

Simply, we haven’t seen an acceleration of inflation like this in a very long time. The ramifications are hard to fathom. And it is unclear how the next 7 years of the decade will play out.

There is a strong argument that prices for goods and services won’t come back down. We will likely see a slower inflation rate over time, but that only measures the year-over-year change. Use the cost of food as an example. Grocery stores or restaurants are not going to lower their prices when inflation comes down. They can’t do it. There input costs will not let them. So the price changes associated with the recent inflation is here to stay.

How bad have these price increases been? Prices increased in the 12 months ending November 2020 by 1.2%, which was within the target range. But then things got crazy. Prices increased from November 2020 to November 2021 by 6.8%. Prices have risen by 7.1% from November 2021 to November 2022.

This means that the price of consumer goods in the US economy has increased by almost 16% from November 2020 to November 2022 according to the official inflation metrics. And remember, these prices are not coming back down.

That will make it increasingly tough for the average American family to live their life. We know wages are not keeping up with the increased prices of consumer goods. People are falling behind and there is no relief in sight.



Charlie Bilello @charliebilello

US wage growth has failed to keep pace with rising consumer prices for a record 20 consecutive months. This is a decline in prosperity for the American worker & the primary reason why the Fed will hike rates for the 7th time this year at tomorrow's meeting. Charting via @ycharts



4:43 PM ∙ Dec 13, 2022


But this begs a very interesting question — what will the Federal Reserve expect to happen to the inflation rate in the steady state?

We know they continue to target 2% inflation as they have for many years. Before the pandemic era, the Fed would hit the inflation target, or at least be relatively close, using the official CPI metric. It is difficult to see how they will be able to get inflation back down to 2% and keep it there for a prolonged period of time.

The national debt is over $30 trillion and we have no path to paying a substantial amount back. So we are going to have to devalue the currency in order to make the game sustainable. A devaluing currency, especially one in an economy that is seeing larger boom and bust cycles, will only lose value faster and faster as the debt continues to grow.

So maybe the Fed will have to raise their inflation target?

This is not a random idea. I have been discussing the possibility since April 2022 publicly. On April 19th I wrote:

I have an intuition that the Federal Reserve is preparing to significantly increase the target inflation rate.

This decision will not be taken lightly by the central bank and their leadership, but it ultimately signals that inflation has escaped their control and rather than pull it back in with aggressive monetary policy decisions, the next best option is to simply manipulate the benchmark to make the situation appear less bad.


These things always take longer than we think and it appears that the idea is growing in popularity. Bill Ackman tweeted yesterday that his expectation is for the inflation rate target to be increased to 3% as well.



Bill Ackman @BillAckman

The @federalreserve 2% inflation target is no longer credible. De-globalization, the transition to alternative energy, the need to pay workers more, lower-risk, shorter supply chains are all inflationary. The Fed cannot change its target now, but will likely do so in the future.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022




Bill Ackman @BillAckman

When asked, Powell recommitted to a 2% target, but admitted that examining a higher rate was a possible ‘longer-term project.’ Businesses need price stability, but can thrive in a world with 3% stable inflation.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022





Bill Ackman @BillAckman

I don’t think the @federalreserve can get inflation back to 2% without a deep, job-destroying recession. Even if it gets back to 2%, it won’t remain stable there for the long term. Accepting 3%+/- inflation is a better strategy for a strong economy and job growth over the LT.

9:01 PM ∙ Dec 14, 2022


If the Federal Reserve was to raise their interest rate target to 3%, that would signal a new high(er) inflation environment. Every investor and citizen would have to adjust their assumptions and financial plans to account for this change. It probably sounds super nerdy and non-sexy, but a 50% increase in the inflation target would be a big moment in the American economy.

This brings me back to my point about the long-term damage that has been caused in the last three years. While various people in positions of power and influence were boasting of transitory inflation, we were actually laying the groundwork for a destruction of the economy as we knew it.

Prices are not going to come down. Inflation is still out of hand. The Fed is likely going to have to increase their target rate to appear to find success in the future. The wages of American workers is drastically behind price increases. This whole thing is a complete mess and there is no clear path out of it.

I won’t waste your time pontificating on potential solutions, because I don’t believe there is a tangible solution to dissect unfortunately. Every action that the Fed could take to bring inflation under control, and establish long-term management of the metric, would require a complete destruction of American jobs, businesses, and potentially entire sectors of the economy.

Human-led monetary and fiscal policy, coupled with government-mandated lockdowns that are now having their efficacy questioned, put us in this situation. The pandemic’s impact on the US economy can’t be forgotten. There was a major liquidity crisis in March 2020. Our leaders felt they had to intervene and do something.

It is time we ask though — “would we have been better off doing nothing and allowing the free market to figure it out?”

The answer to that question will be debated forever. But there are more people who say “yes” today than there were last year and I believe that history will be on the side of the free market enthusiasts. Thankfully, for both you and me, I am not in a position of decision-making on these issues though. I simply get to play Monday morning quarterback, so take my perspective with a grain of salt :)

I saw that stat from Lambert on twitter, amazing numbers when you see it that way.

I don't think Powell changes the target before he gets inflation to 2%. Maybe after that but not before. He has been clear about getting back to 2% and think he would rather get fired than back off of that.

I wouldn't listen to anything Ackman says. He's an idiot.
 
I saw that stat from Lambert on twitter, amazing numbers when you see it that way.

I don't think Powell changes the target before he gets inflation to 2%. Maybe after that but not before. He has been clear about getting back to 2% and think he would rather get fired than back off of that.

I wouldn't listen to anything Ackman says. He's an idiot.
Everyone would be happy with 3%'ish and stability around that level. The Fed will "admit" it thru their actions or lack thereof.
 
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