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Not double taxation on 100%. The employers half of the FICA contribution is deducted by the employer and not taxed to the employee. The employee's half was taxed. So partial taxation is justified.
Not sure about that. You would be correct if the employer's half was a full tax credit for the business, but it is only deductible. As such, the majority of this payment is a direct tax increase on the cost of its workforce.
 
In which case the tariff's on Canada are essentially a tax on US businesses that sell stuff to Canada.

This was his campaign rhetoric, but I'm a little surprised this went through at 25%, figured he'd scale it back at implementation. But I still think that number will come down, if not completely revoked, once he gets some level of concession from these countries in terms of immigration/drug trafficking controls.
As Tom Lee says, these artificial disruptions to the market are always buy the dip moments since they quickly resolve.
 
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Not sure about that. You would be correct if the employer's half was a full tax credit for the business, but it is only deductible. As such, the majority of this payment is a direct tax increase on the cost of its workforce.

Disagree. A full tax credit would balance things if the employee's tax rate on the benefit was 100%. That's not the case.
 
Do Canadians have enough buying power to impact the US economy? Hypothetically, if Canadians agreed, maybe via social media platforms, to boycott all US products for 3-6 months could they have a significant impact on the US. i.e. cancel netfix, apple, Amazon, US booze and other US products.

Dec 2024 is not up yet.

2023 was $350B export to Can. $418B imported. Deficit of $64B.

That deficit has increased in recent years as we've bought more oil/energy. I'm looking for the breakdown on that.
 
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I’m not an economist, but if we lower income tax and raise tariffs to keep federal deficits in check, we’re shifting from an income tax system to a consumption-based tax system. That’s a big change! Would this consumption-based tax system eventually slow down spending and hurt our economy? It would totally change how we do business and invest.
 
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I’m not an economist, but if we lower income tax and raise tariffs to keep federal deficits in check, we’re shifting from an income tax system to a consumption-based tax system. That’s a big change! Would this consumption-based tax system eventually slow down spending and hurt our economy? It would totally change how we do business and invest.
It will be interesting to see how things play out in DC over the next few months. However, I haven't seen or heard of any serious talk about lowering income tax rates further (and obviously not eliminating it). I don't know if tariffs are to help with current deficits or if Trump honestly wants to use them for other purposes (i.e., bargaining chips).

But as I mentioned above, I just don't understand how tariffs work with nations like Canada and Mexico - i.e., those without large trade imbalances. I get it with China.
 
It will be interesting to see how things play out in DC over the next few months. However, I haven't seen or heard of any serious talk about lowering income tax rates further (and obviously not eliminating it). I don't know if tariffs are to help with current deficits or if Trump honestly wants to use them for other purposes (i.e., bargaining chips).

But as I mentioned above, I just don't understand how tariffs work with nations like Canada and Mexico - i.e., those without large trade imbalances. I get it with China.
If tariffs are used to reduce deficits, it’s like poor people are footing the bill for the government’s overspending.
 
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If tariffs are used to reduce deficits, it’s like poor people are footing the bill for the government’s overspending.
I am supportive of most of Trump's economic policies - just not tariffs, especially with countries other than China. These don't make sense to me.
 
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I am supportive of most of Trump's economic policies - just not tariffs, especially with countries other than China. These don't make sense to me.
Which to me means it’s likely posturing to get border concessions he can chalk up as a win for his base. Hopefully Bessent has a strong voice

 
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what if the border concessions don’t come as quickly has Trump hopes? If Canada and Mexico fight back for a while. Trump isn’t the type of person to back down.
 
It will be interesting to see how things play out in DC over the next few months. However, I haven't seen or heard of any serious talk about lowering income tax rates further (and obviously not eliminating it). I don't know if tariffs are to help with current deficits or if Trump honestly wants to use them for other purposes (i.e., bargaining chips).

But as I mentioned above, I just don't understand how tariffs work with nations like Canada and Mexico - i.e., those without large trade imbalances. I get it with China.

Tariffs on Mexico are often intended as tariffs on China.
China has been industrializing Mexico with intention of flooding US markets with good made in China.
China also saw these moves as ways to avoid US tariffs.
Some major Chinese fabs under construction have already stopped
DC drives US manufactures over a cliff and CCP benefits

An industrial Chinatown near the US southern border readies its options should Trump tariffs come​


"The huge industrial park sprawls across the rural landscape with row upon row of warehouse-sized manufacturing units. But this development is thousands of miles from Beijing or Shanghai — and just a few hours’ drive from the Texas border, in northern Mexico.

Much of the growth owes to the phenomenon of “nearshoring” — Chinese companies moving production to Mexico to have tariff-free access to the US market under the USMCA trade deal.

"With street signs in both Chinese and Spanish and the flag of the People’s Republic flying high alongside that of Mexico, this is one of many “industrial Chinatowns” that have been created in recent years around Monterrey, turning farmland to factories and boosting the local and national economies.

 
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