OT: The official ACC all things thread

[Ridge 22]

I am glad most people don't share your view of past accomplishments.

I was recently watching a Baseball Game between the Pirates and the Toronto Blue Jays and both teams were wearing a #4 Patch on their Jerseys. They were praising the accomplishments of Lou Gehrig of the New York Yanks. and how great Lou was and Babe Ruth bated in the #3 position and Lou was #4. That happened 81 years ago and is still acknowledged. What a great tribute to the past that is still being recognized today.

I saw that the USS New jersey fired off its guns and will be a docked in Camden and will be a great reflection of past accomplishments that all people visiting the docs can appreciate.

I don't know if Rutgers will ever win a National Championship or have a Heisman Trophy Winner or have 10 players in the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame or 25 Players in the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame or have more than 17 players selected in the NFL Draft (7 Rounds) in the last 4 years ( most recent accomplishments).

When Rutgers surpasses Pitt's past sports accomplishments then you are entitled to tell me how bad Pitt is.

Carriage rates and eyeballs aren't the only thing that brings money to a University.

Pitt brings in $1.16 Billion per year in Outside Research Grants (Pitt ranked #45 US News Global Research University Ranking 2024) and has a $5.5 Billion Endowment (Not Sports Related) but Money is Money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Listen, most people on here have no hate towards Pitt. It is a great school and a great research institution that is highly respected and has much to offer. I view it a lot like RU. Pitt is a perfect fit in the B1G. That said, it will likely never happen, as it doesn't bring a new market. if only Penn St didnt exist, Pitt would have been in long ago. I hope Pitt finds a good home (unlike Syracuse). But I don't think anyone could look at Rutgers athletic situation today vs Pitts and say it is not light years better. Lucky or not, that is the reality. The ACC is a sinking ship. Only question is when it sinks, not if.

 

[MADHAT1]

I am glad most people don't share your view of past accomplishments.

I was recently watching a Baseball Game between the Pirates and the Toronto Blue Jays and both teams were wearing a #4 Patch on their Jerseys. They were praising the accomplishments of Lou Gehrig of the New York Yanks. and how great Lou was and Babe Ruth bated in the #3 position and Lou was #4. That happened 81 years ago and is still acknowledged. What a great tribute to the past that is still being recognized today.

I saw that the USS New jersey fired off its guns and will be a docked in Camden and will be a great reflection of past accomplishments that all people visiting the docs can appreciate.

I don't know if Rutgers will ever win a National Championship or have a Heisman Trophy Winner or have 10 players in the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame or 25 Players in the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame or have more than 17 players selected in the NFL Draft (7 Rounds) in the last 4 years ( most recent accomplishments).

When Rutgers surpasses Pitt's past sports accomplishments then you are entitled to tell me how bad Pitt is.

Carriage rates and eyeballs aren't the only thing that brings money to a University.

Pitt brings in $1.16 Billion per year in Outside Research Grants (Pitt ranked #45 US News Global Research University Ranking 2024) and has a $5.5 Billion Endowment (Not Sports Related) but Money is Money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Can't say if Rutgers "will ever win a National Championship or have a Heisman Trophy Winner"
But you're living in the past because Pitt's future looks like it will be closer to what Rutgers was in the past.
Pitt and Syracuse fans have a past to be proud of, but now their future looks scary
while Rutgers future is looking up now.
Rutgers is in one of the top conferences, Pitt is in an unstable one that has members looking to leave and the B1G might be their destination.
Pitt doesn't bring enough to the table for a B1G invite so if/when the ACC falls apart
Pitt has to hope the Big 12 feels they're sponge worthy

That's scary for any school's fanbase and I can understand why a Pitt fan feels threatened by how Rutger's fortune has changed into a positive one , while their program's future doesn't look too bright .

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Can't say if Rutgers "will ever win a National Championship or have a Heisman Trophy Winner"
But you're living in the past because Pitt's future looks like it will be closer to what Rutgers was in the past.
Pitt and Syracuse fans have a past to be proud of, but now their future looks scary
while Rutgers future is looking up now.
Rutgers is in one of the top conferences, Pitt is in an unstable one that has members looking to leave and the B1G might be their destination.
Pitt doesn't bring enough to the table for a B1G invite so if/when the ACC falls apart
Pitt has to hope the Big 12 feels they're sponge worthy

That's scary for any school's fanbase and I can understand why a Pitt fan feels threatened by how Rutger's fortune has changed into a positive one , while their program's future doesn't look too bright .

Pitt's accomplishments continue to be recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow.

In 2023 Pitt DB D Revis was admitted to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.
In 2024 Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald was admitted to the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame.
In 2025 Pitt DL Aaron Donald is on the ballot for admission to the NCCA College Football Hall of Fame.

Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished and will still continue to accomplish going forward.

I personally don't have any reservations about the ACC continuing to exist and thrive. ACC teams will rise to fill any void of FSU/Clemson (Court Cases not resolved) but with 2 CFP positions every year the momentum is there. The B1G teams will just continue to beat each up reducing their W-L records. Rutgers had a rather difficult time in the Old B1G and I think it will have an even harder time in the New B1G. I think Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State will also have an adjustment to this new reality. Nebraska never recovered their past glory in the Old B1G and it's likely they will not in the New B1G. Every one can't be 12-0.

Good discussion with all on this board.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[RUTGERS95]

Pitt's accomplishments continue to be recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow.

In 2023 Pitt DB D Revis was admitted to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.
In 2024 Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald was admitted to the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame.
In 2025 Pitt DL Aaron Donald is on the ballot for admission to the NCCA College Football Hall of Fame.

Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished and will still continue to accomplish going forward.

I personally don't have any reservations about the ACC continuing to exist and thrive. ACC teams will rise to fill any void of FSU/Clemson (Court Cases not resolved) but with 2 CFP positions every year the momentum is there. The B1G teams will just continue to beat each up reducing their W-L records. Rutgers had a rather difficult time in the Old B1G and I think it will have an even harder time in the New B1G. I think Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State will also have an adjustment to this new reality. Nebraska never recovered their past glory in the Old B1G and it's likely they will not in the New B1G. Every one can't be 12-0.

Good discussion with all on this board.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

your logic is unbecoming a Pitt grad. The mental gymnastics you've displayed in this thread is borderline Al like so take that for what it's worth.

Good luck in the B12, zero doubt you guys will kick ass there and it will be sweet watching Sarah being left outside looking in

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Recent tweet by "Allnoles" states, and I quote cliffs from him:

"The court required them to schedule mediation to occur by a certain date, recent filing means they've agreed to mediator and date. When it happens, only thing we'll hear is whether or not they settled. Entire process is confidential. Not open to public and details won't be shared."

 

[satnom]

Pitt's accomplishments continue to be recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow.

In 2023 Pitt DB D Revis was admitted to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.
In 2024 Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald was admitted to the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame.
In 2025 Pitt DL Aaron Donald is on the ballot for admission to the NCCA College Football Hall of Fame.

Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished and will still continue to accomplish going forward.

I personally don't have any reservations about the ACC continuing to exist and thrive. ACC teams will rise to fill any void of FSU/Clemson (Court Cases not resolved) but with 2 CFP positions every year the momentum is there. The B1G teams will just continue to beat each up reducing their W-L records. Rutgers had a rather difficult time in the Old B1G and I think it will have an even harder time in the New B1G. I think Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State will also have an adjustment to this new reality. Nebraska never recovered their past glory in the Old B1G and it's likely they will not in the New B1G. Every one can't be 12-0.

Good discussion with all on this board.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Yet with all that “recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow” accomplishments of Pitt you speak of, you would throw that all in the trash for Pitt to trade places with where RU is right now in a nanosecond.

Pitt and it’s football program is becoming more irrelevant as the day passes.

GO RU

 

[JayDogSmooth]

There’s no doubt that Pitt has had an illustrious history, with some all-time players

But unless they get a whale donor or major corporation on board, unfortunately, for them, they will languish in mediocrity for the duration of our lifetime, if not longer

This is precisely why I advocate for NIL, because without an IL, I do not believe Pitt, or Rutgers for that matter, will be able to have sustained excess at an elite level

 

[MADHAT1]

Pitt's accomplishments continue to be recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow.

In 2023 Pitt DB D Revis was admitted to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.
In 2024 Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald was admitted to the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame.
In 2025 Pitt DL Aaron Donald is on the ballot for admission to the NCCA College Football Hall of Fame.

Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished and will still continue to accomplish going forward.

I personally don't have any reservations about the ACC continuing to exist and thrive. ACC teams will rise to fill any void of FSU/Clemson (Court Cases not resolved) but with 2 CFP positions every year the momentum is there. The B1G teams will just continue to beat each up reducing their W-L records. Rutgers had a rather difficult time in the Old B1G and I think it will have an even harder time in the New B1G. I think Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State will also have an adjustment to this new reality. Nebraska never recovered their past glory in the Old B1G and it's likely they will not in the New B1G. Every one can't be 12-0.

Good discussion with all on this board.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Can agree with this:" Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished"
disagree when it comes to College football: "and will still continue to accomplish going forward."
Pitt going forward depends on where it lands and if/when the ACC winds up equal to the AAC after the top programs ( Pitt should be considered among them) leave.
The SEC & B1G won't be looking at Pitt, making the second tier BIG 12 the best available.
That alone puts Pitt at a disadvantage and it can hope to be considered one of the best of rest after B1G & SEC programs.
The one time greatness Pitt had is no more, be proud of what Pitt was, but don't expect Pitt to have a great future.
Just hope it can be a real good 2nd tier program.

As for Rutgers future, greatness is hoped for but not expected unless it gets the type of support top programs get from their boosters , school's administration and local media.
Rutgers location will give it a great advantage if/when RU FB shows enough improvement to get the local media on its side and have a positive outlook spread nation wide rather than have it's faults placed side by side with what gains are being made.
Then and only then will Rutgers fans have the chance to feel the future is going to turn out great and Championships might be on the horizon and get the support to hep it be considered an elite program
But for now Rutgers fans can look for winning seasons in the future and hope those wins lead to bigger and better things.

Pitt and Rutgers fans are in the same boat, expectations of greatness can't be claimed by either, but RU fans might have a better chance to have their wish to be a top program granted while Pitt fans can only recall the good old days because there will only be pretty good ones in the future for them.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Can agree with this:" Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished"
disagree when it comes to College football: "and will still continue to accomplish going forward."
Pitt going forward depends on where it lands and if/when the ACC winds up equal to the AAC after the top programs ( Pitt should be considered among them) leave.
The SEC & B1G won't be looking at Pitt, making the second tier BIG 12 the best available.
That alone puts Pitt at a disadvantage and it can hope to be considered one of the best of rest after B1G & SEC programs.
The one time greatness Pitt had is no more, be proud of what Pitt was, but don't expect Pitt to have a great future.
Just hope it can be a real good 2nd tier program.

As for Rutgers future, greatness is hoped for but not expected unless it gets the type of support top programs get from their boosters , school's administration and local media.
Rutgers location will give it a great advantage if/when RU FB shows enough improvement to get the local media on its side and have a positive outlook spread nation wide rather than have it's faults placed side by side with what gains are being made.
Then and only then will Rutgers fans have the chance to feel the future is going to turn out great and Championships might be on the horizon and get the support to hep it be considered an elite program
But for now Rutgers fans can look for winning seasons in the future and hope those wins lead to bigger and better things.

Pitt and Rutgers fans are in the same boat, expectations of greatness can't be claimed by either, but RU fans might have a better chance to have their wish to be a top program granted while Pitt fans can only recall the good old days because there will only be pretty good ones in the future for them.

excellent post

 

[50 yd line RR]

Pitt's accomplishments continue to be recognized yesterday, today and tomorrow.

In 2023 Pitt DB D Revis was admitted to the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.
In 2024 Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald was admitted to the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame.
In 2025 Pitt DL Aaron Donald is on the ballot for admission to the NCCA College Football Hall of Fame.

Rutgers will have a lot of catching up to achieve what Pitt has already accomplished and will still continue to accomplish going forward.

I personally don't have any reservations about the ACC continuing to exist and thrive. ACC teams will rise to fill any void of FSU/Clemson (Court Cases not resolved) but with 2 CFP positions every year the momentum is there. The B1G teams will just continue to beat each up reducing their W-L records. Rutgers had a rather difficult time in the Old B1G and I think it will have an even harder time in the New B1G. I think Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State will also have an adjustment to this new reality. Nebraska never recovered their past glory in the Old B1G and it's likely they will not in the New B1G. Every one can't be 12-0.

Good discussion with all on this board.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

The BIG provides Rutgers with something we have never had. Resources!!!
All those years getting our ears pinned back by Big East Schools are over.Dont believe me? Ask Miami,BC,Syracuse,V-Tech
Rutgers today has just about everything you need to build a solid program for any conference.
For me the growth is the most exciting part of being a fan.
Rutgers is getting better every year.
We will compete in the Big Ten!

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

FWIW

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Judge Cooper (FL judge) sides with FSU on the matter of jurisdiction

TheOsceola - Judge Cooper sides with FSU: ACC operates a significant business in Florida

Judge John Cooper spent the majority of Tuesday ruling on personal jurisdiction.

floridastate.rivals.com

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

This guy thinks the GOR will be under 100 million

 

[wheezer]

I am glad most people don't share your view of past accomplishments.

I was recently watching a Baseball Game between the Pirates and the Toronto Blue Jays and both teams were wearing a #4 Patch on their Jerseys. They were praising the accomplishments of Lou Gehrig of the New York Yanks. and how great Lou was and Babe Ruth bated in the #3 position and Lou was #4. That happened 81 years ago and is still acknowledged. What a great tribute to the past that is still being recognized today.

I saw that the USS New jersey fired off its guns and will be a docked in Camden and will be a great reflection of past accomplishments that all people visiting the docs can appreciate.

I don't know if Rutgers will ever win a National Championship or have a Heisman Trophy Winner or have 10 players in the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame or 25 Players in the NCAA College Football Hall of Fame or have more than 17 players selected in the NFL Draft (7 Rounds) in the last 4 years ( most recent accomplishments).

When Rutgers surpasses Pitt's past sports accomplishments then you are entitled to tell me how bad Pitt is.

Carriage rates and eyeballs aren't the only thing that brings money to a University.

Pitt brings in $1.16 Billion per year in Outside Research Grants (Pitt ranked #45 US News Global Research University Ranking 2024) and has a $5.5 Billion Endowment (Not Sports Related) but Money is Money.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Would not trade places with Pitt in the current environment

Past no longer matters

 

[50 yd line RR]

This guy thinks the GOR will be under 100 million

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I catch locked on BIG TEN podcasts. He spoke of ND coming to the BIG.
I always thought they would be the last piece of the puzzle.
What if ND was all in? Who could they want as a partner,who would the BIG want?
UNC?Stanford, FSU?

 

[Shelby65]

There are too many teams outside the big2 conferences and too many bowl tie ins for there to be any risk of program downturn and irrelevance. Pitt, UNC, Miami, Oklahoma St and Kansas St for example will have at least as much opportunity for playoff contention and bowl slots than Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi St will have due to the stiff SOS headwinds in these two top conferences.

While the p2 teams reap greater revenues, there will always be plenty of other teams which are better on the field than some of the weaker p2, and that includes Rutgers.

I have no doubt that UNC, Kansas St and Miami will reach higher level bowl games than Rutgers will more often in the next 5 years.

Sure, these other universities would gladly trade places with RU for financial reasons, but I don’t think their fans who more care about winning than the $$$s would prefer to be in Rutgers’ situation.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I catch locked on BIG TEN podcasts. He spoke of ND coming to the BIG.
I always thought they would be the last piece of the puzzle.
What if ND was all in? Who could they want as a partner,who would the BIG want?
UNC?Stanford, FSU?

ND is the big fish
UNC and FSU would be candidates as well
I'll defer to 95 and others in the know on Stanford

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

There are too many teams outside the big2 conferences and too many bowl tie ins for there to be any risk of program downturn and irrelevance. Pitt, UNC, Miami, Oklahoma St and Kansas St for example will have at least as much opportunity for playoff contention and bowl slots than Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi St will have due to the stiff SOS headwinds in these two top conferences.

While the p2 teams reap greater revenues, there will always be plenty of other teams which are better on the field than some of the weaker p2, and that includes Rutgers.

I have no doubt that UNC, Kansas St and Miami will reach higher level bowl games than Rutgers will more often in the next 5 years.

Sure, these other universities would gladly trade places with RU for financial reasons, but I don’t think their fans who more care about winning than the $$$s would prefer to be in Rutgers’ situation.

The operative phrase is next 5 years

Moving forward after that, absent of an SMU (consistently) or another big time program just outside the SEC/B1G, it will be become increasingly difficult to compete due to the financial differences

Something has to give. Will schools like a Kansas State be willing to go all in for football, and sacrifice their other sports?

Or will they be ok with going 7-5 consistently in football while remaining competitive in everything else?

 

[Shelby65]

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The operative phrase is next 5 years

Moving forward after that, absent of an SMU (consistently) or another big time program just outside the SEC/B1G, it will be become increasingly difficult to compete due to the financial differences

Something has to give. Will schools like a Kansas State be willing to go all in for football, and sacrifice their other sports?

Or will they be ok with going 7-5 consistently in football while remaining competitive in everything else?

I disagree. 5 years, 20 years, whatever. You know that most of our fans realize we’d better off from a competitive standpoint in the ACC. Maryland followed the money instead of competitiveness into this conference. Many fans opposed it Success on the field will allow playoff access.

We, along with many other p2, are the Washington Generals. Even outside the p2, Miami and UNC will be fine.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

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I disagree. 5 years, 20 years, whatever. You know that most of our fans realize we’d better off from a competitive standpoint in the ACC. Maryland followed the money instead of competitiveness into this conference. Many fans opposed it Success on the field will allow playoff access.

We, along with many other p2, are the Washington Generals. Even outside the p2, Miami and UNC will be fine.

I should have clarified, unless we get corporations to get on board with NIL along with the general fan base, then I agree with your premise (granted, I full believe we have the potential to do that, but am skeptical we'll ever achieve it; whereas, pre-NIL, I didn't believe we had the potential to become elite)

I was more referring to the upper echelon of the B1G and SEC

 

[RUTGERS95]

I should have clarified, unless we get corporations to get on board with NIL along with the general fan base, then I agree with your premise (granted, I full believe we have the potential to do that, but am skeptical we'll ever achieve it; whereas, pre-NIL, I didn't believe we had the potential to become elite)

I was more referring to the upper echelon of the B1G and SEC

I have no faith in those that run things at RU so the corporate NIL and fanbase' turning into rabid dogs begging to give money through the efforts of those at RU isn't going to happen imho. RU doesn't foster a school love for students and doesn't market itself well in state.

that said, I disagree that UNC, kstate, Miami should have better ceilings over next 5yrs. Miami has a soft schedule this year but we already know what people think of the ACC and apparently, recruits are starting to fall in line with that thinking. It's only a matter of time for the ACC and quality of play

buckle up boys, change is afoot

 

[Panthergrowl13]

There are too many teams outside the big2 conferences and too many bowl tie ins for there to be any risk of program downturn and irrelevance. Pitt, UNC, Miami, Oklahoma St and Kansas St for example will have at least as much opportunity for playoff contention and bowl slots than Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi St will have due to the stiff SOS headwinds in these two top conferences.

While the p2 teams reap greater revenues, there will always be plenty of other teams which are better on the field than some of the weaker p2, and that includes Rutgers.

I have no doubt that UNC, Kansas St and Miami will reach higher level bowl games than Rutgers will more often in the next 5 years.

Sure, these other universities would gladly trade places with RU for financial reasons, but I don’t think their fans who more care about winning than the $$$s would prefer to be in Rutgers’ situation.

SMU may be such a team to watch in the new NIL era.

Our Board has a discussion about SMU who will be playing in the ACC starting July 1 (Pitt plays them Nov. 2 in Dallas)

On Tuesday the SMU Athletic Dept. announced that it raised $159 million during the past fiscal year. There were 4 eight figure donations, 35 seven figure donations, 82 six figure donations and 4800 "Mustang Club" members.

SMU a private university with a student body of about 12,000 students ( 7000 undergrad and 5000 grad students).

With 2 CFP openings for the ACC, the void left with the possible exit of FSU/Clemson will be filled.by others.

Additionally, the road to National Championships or Conference Titles will now be greatly diminished for FSU and Clemson going to the B1G or SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Doctor Worm]

SMU may be such a team to watch in the new NIL era.

Our Board has a discussion about SMU who will be playing in the ACC starting July 1 (Pitt plays them Nov. 2 in Dallas)

On Tuesday the SMU Athletic Dept. announced that it raised $159 million during the past fiscal year. There were 4 eight figure donations, 35 seven figure donations, 82 six figure donations and 4800 "Mustang Club" members.

With 2 CFP openings for the ACC, the void left with the possible exit of FSU/Clemson will be filled.by others.

Additionally, the road to National Championships or Conference Titles will now be greatly diminished for FSU and Clemson going to the B1G or SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

SMU has done it before. Now It's Legal.

 

[MADHAT1]

SMU may be such a team to watch in the new NIL era.

Our Board has a discussion about SMU who will be playing in the ACC starting July 1 (Pitt plays them Nov. 2 in Dallas)

On Tuesday the SMU Athletic Dept. announced that it raised $159 million during the past fiscal year. There were 4 eight figure donations, 35 seven figure donations, 82 six figure donations and 4800 "Mustang Club" members.

With 2 CFP openings for the ACC, the void left with the possible exit of FSU/Clemson will be filled.by others.

Additionally, the road to National Championships or Conference Titles will now be greatly diminished for FSU and Clemson going to the B1G or SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

SMU will be a program to watch, the better they do in the ACC the better chance to be among the top ACC programs once FSU and Clemson find a way out.
Both Clemson and FSU will be better off out of the ACC , it was proven being a ACC champ doesn't help when it comes to being picked for NC playoffs when an undefeated ACC Champ was left out of the four team playoff setup when FSU was told it wasn't good enough .

So even with the ACC having an automatic spot in playoffs , assuming that team will be among the top 5 ranked conference champions, every other ACC team stands a good chance to suffer FSU's fate
So now with a 12 team program set up, the non championship programs in the B1G and SEC programs probably will benefit the most because of how poorly respected the ACC is held by the NCAA Playoff Committee

SMU booster money might just make that school take over the ACC once FSU and Clemson get out of Dodge and start playing in a big boy conference.
The 4 Power Confrences can be thought of as hiving two divisions .
The haves : the BIG 10 & SEC
And
The have nots: the ACC & Big 12

 

[Arizona Knight]

SMU may be such a team to watch in the new NIL era.

Our Board has a discussion about SMU who will be playing in the ACC starting July 1 (Pitt plays them Nov. 2 in Dallas)

On Tuesday the SMU Athletic Dept. announced that it raised $159 million during the past fiscal year. There were 4 eight figure donations, 35 seven figure donations, 82 six figure donations and 4800 "Mustang Club" members.

With 2 CFP openings for the ACC, the void left with the possible exit of FSU/Clemson will be filled.by others.

Additionally, the road to National Championships or Conference Titles will now be greatly diminished for FSU and Clemson going to the B1G or SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

When FSU and Clemson leave I would be willing to bet the farm that the B1G and SEC will reduce the number of qualifiers for the ACC to one. The ACC may not like it but they will take their one auto bid and like it.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

When FSU and Clemson leave I would be willing to bet the farm that the B1G and SEC will reduce the number of qualifiers for the ACC to one. The ACC may not like it but they will take their one auto bid and like it.

You would not want to lose the farm.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Shelby65]

When FSU and Clemson leave I would be willing to bet the farm that the B1G and SEC will reduce the number of qualifiers for the ACC to one. The ACC may not like it but they will take their one auto bid and like it.

Doubt it. Other ACC teams will have high ranks instead, just like when Rutgers artificially rose to top tier of BE and a top 10 ranking when Miami, BC, and VT left. 1.0 never beat any of them.

Perception becomes reality, phony or not.

 

[Arizona Knight]

You would not want to lose the farm.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Remember when you insisted FSU and Clemson weren’t going anywhere? The GOR was ironclad? Maybe sit this one out.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Doubt it. Other ACC teams will have high ranks instead, just like when Rutgers artificially rose to top tier of BE and a top 10 ranking when Miami, BC, and VT left. 1.0 never beat any of them.

Perception becomes reality, phony or not.

Rutgers didn’t artificially rise to anything. That 2006 team was laden with NFL players and undefeated in November.

2.0 has already beat all three of Miami, because, and VaTech and we have been at the bottom of the B1G.

 

[Shelby65]

Rutgers didn’t artificially rise to anything. That 2006 team was laden with NFL players and undefeated in November.

2.0 has already beat all three of Miami, because, and VaTech and we have been at the bottom of the B1G.

Actually, yes it was artificial. Because polls were based on records so when the most difficult games fortuitously were taken off the schedule and backfilled with weak teams of course Rutgers success increased and its ranking rose. But then several of those teams got better over a few years, got BCS bids, and RU fell back into its usual place…then 1.0 left. In other stops he was scorned while curiously his reputation grew here…sort of like a derelict cousin with a rap sheet who the family insists is a great guy.

 

[mosito]

SMU may be such a team to watch in the new NIL era.

Our Board has a discussion about SMU who will be playing in the ACC starting July 1 (Pitt plays them Nov. 2 in Dallas)

On Tuesday the SMU Athletic Dept. announced that it raised $159 million during the past fiscal year. There were 4 eight figure donations, 35 seven figure donations, 82 six figure donations and 4800 "Mustang Club" members.

SMU a private university with a student body of about 12,000 students ( 7000 undergrad and 5000 grad students).

With 2 CFP openings for the ACC, the void left with the possible exit of FSU/Clemson will be filled.by others.

Additionally, the road to National Championships or Conference Titles will now be greatly diminished for FSU and Clemson going to the B1G or SEC.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Why do you keep on reiterating the narrative that the ACC has two spots.

In the 12 team playoff(next 2 years), it is 5 + 7 at large.

In the 14 team playoff (would start in 3 years, which I will note that it isn't finalized) the ACC and Big12 objected to the B10 and SEC getting 3 autobids while the ACC and Big12 only got 2.

So all indications is that there are no Autobids. During the CFP era, the ACC would have averaged less than 1.5 teams per year. So the ACC and Big12 shot themselves in the foot.

With the disparity in $$$.. expect that 1.5 to quickly get to 1, especially with FSU and Others leaving.

With that said Pitt should be able to compete in the Big12 group of 20 teams for what is expected to be an average of 2 spots.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Actually, yes it was artificial. Because polls were based on records so when the most difficult games fortuitously were taken off the schedule and backfilled with weak teams of course Rutgers success increased and its ranking rose. But then several of those teams got better over a few years, got BCS bids, and RU fell back into its usual place…then 1.0 left. In other stops he was scorned while curiously his reputation grew here…sort of like a derelict cousin with a rap sheet who the family insists is a great guy.

I was in Houston when we threw Kansas State a severe beating because of the weak Big East bowl tie ins forced that team to play an average team.

 

[50 yd line RR]

Rutgers didn’t artificially rise to anything. That 2006 team was laden with NFL players and undefeated in November.

2.0 has already beat all three of Miami, because, and VaTech and we have been at the bottom of the B1G.

Don’t feed the trolls!
We’re on our way. This guy will never figure it out!

 

[RU_Goo]

ND is the big fish
UNC and FSU would be candidates as well
I'll defer to 95 and others in the know on Stanford

The thinking is that the Big ten presidents wanted Stanford but fox wouldn’t pay up , fox brought money to the table to get Oregon voted in as they didn’t have them.

There’s a lot of realignment nonsense out there but I think it’s clear this is the deal

- nd is currently evaluating what to do
- big ten will wait on Clemson and fsu until nd makes a decision for this round
- unclear if nd has the pull to bring a partner of their choice into the big
- unc is leaning sec over big at this time

I still think realignment is fluid and things can change quickly as we have seen in the past , one school might think they are in and something happens and get jumped , or sec changes their mind on things you never know. Schools are desperate.

All we know is things are going to take off sooner rather than later

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Remember when you insisted FSU and Clemson weren’t going anywhere? The GOR was ironclad? Maybe sit this one out.

The GOR issue isn't resolved (in court) so FSU and Clemson may not be leaving.

However, they could leave by paying big $$$$$ to the ACC per GOR.

Agree, have to wait this one out.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[Shelby65]

I was in Houston when we threw Kansas State a severe beating because of the weak Big East bowl tie ins forced that team to play an average team.

In Houston Shelby was additionally.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

The GOR issue isn't resolved (in court) so FSU and Clemson may not be leaving.

However, they could leave by paying big $$$$$ to the ACC per GOR.

Agree, have to wait this one out.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Noles will be out in 1-2 years
Book it

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

The thinking is that the Big ten presidents wanted Stanford but fox wouldn’t pay up , fox brought money to the table to get Oregon voted in as they didn’t have them.

There’s a lot of realignment nonsense out there but I think it’s clear this is the deal

- nd is currently evaluating what to do
- big ten will wait on Clemson and fsu until nd makes a decision for this round
- unclear if nd has the pull to bring a partner of their choice into the big
- unc is leaning sec over big at this time

I still think realignment is fluid and things can change quickly as we have seen in the past , one school might think they are in and something happens and get jumped , or sec changes their mind on things you never know. Schools are desperate.

All we know is things are going to take off sooner rather than later

ND has a spot whenever the want it.

It's more about FSU/Clemson solving their ACC issues w/the GOR then B1G waiting on ND (although I can't speak for Clemson if the B1G would be interested).

The UNC to the SEC smoke still surprises me on so many levels. It's almost like Texas going there, as absent of the LHN, it made no sense and they fit the B1G mold in every aspect.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

ND has a spot whenever the want it.

It's more about FSU/Clemson solving their ACC issues w/the GOR then B1G waiting on ND (although I can't speak for Clemson if the B1G would be interested).

The UNC to the SEC smoke still surprises me on so many levels. It's almost like Texas going there, as absent of the LHN, it made no sense and they fit the B1G mold in every aspect.

I am really with not sure how interested the B1G is in FSU or Clemson.

Other than Football neither school has the pedigree that most B1G schools bring to the table.

Neither school is an AAU member and when it comes to Endowments both schools have a rather low value of around $900 million. This may not matter to the B1G but then again it might.

ND has a National Following and a certain "Mystique" that I think they would want to preserve.

If ND went to the NEW B1G, they would be concerned that they may suffer the fate of Nebraska in that they would become just another B1G team with a 6-6 record.

Then some on the Rutgers Board would say ND accomplishments of the past don't matter and they are just another Catholic School similar to Boston College. The four Horseman, Knute Rockne, National Championships, Heisman Trophy winners are all past accomplishments.

I don't think ND needs the B1G money and there will always be a hesitation of joining a Conference for Football.

Good discussion involving different perspectives.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I am really with not sure how interested the B1G is in FSU or Clemson.

Other than Football neither school has the pedigree that most B1G schools bring to the table.

Neither school is an AAU member and when it comes to Endowments both schools have a rather low value of around $900 million. This may not matter to the B1G but then again it might.

ND has a National Following and a certain "Mystique" that I think they would want to preserve.

If ND went to the NEW B1G, they would be concerned that they may suffer the fate of Nebraska in that they would become just another B1G team with a 6-6 record.

Then some on the Rutgers Board would say ND accomplishments of the past don't matter and they are just another Catholic School similar to Boston College. The four Horseman, Knute Rockne, National Championships, Heisman Trophy winners are all past accomplishments.

I don't think ND needs the B1G money and there will always be a hesitation of joining a Conference for Football.

Good discussion involving different perspectives.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Clemson I can't speak about

FSU I know for sure there is mutual interest and assurances have been given re. acceptance into the conference once the GOR is straightened out

You couldn't be more wrong re. the pedigree for FSU that the B1G is looking for - you're a solid poster, but that assertion is so off I won't even dive into it

Re. ND, you're taking the strawman that was said about Pitt and twisting it worse than a politician. ND and Pitt's past history are not mutually inclusive on one another; there's many other variables which you're not considering, including the most important one ($$$$$$).

ND will eventually join a conference and I'd be shocked if it wasn't the B1G. The main questions are when, which one, at what cost, and whom they bring (if any schools) with them.