For what it’s worth, RU research funding for 2023 was $929 million. Not sure what endowment value is, suspect it is much less than Pitt. Will have to look up
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OT: The official ACC all things thread
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If the ACC falls apart, all the names will be put on a list, shopped to the networks and whoever they will pay the most for will get picked. How many, who knows, but it will only be those who will increase current members payout. Presidents are not going to vote to take less to appease the networks. Every other criterion gets thrown out the window, they'll be no negotiation of, if you take me you must take blah, blah also. It'll be a take it or leave it offer.
RU is 29th in the country in this respect. This year it's expected to top 1billion putting us in low twenties
I can see ND asking for Stanford and the B10 saying sure, ok.
Having a 5th team on the West Coast helps with Friday Night and Saturday Late Night games.
In looking at the Friday schedule release and potential Late Night Saturdays, it easily seems like another West Coast Team would be make money. Likewise I think that maybe Utah, Arizona St would address that need. Not sure if a 6th team is needed, but a 5th seems to be required.
But i suspect that is the extent of what ND can ask for.
ND + 3 : FSU, Miami, UNC, Stanford, with UVA, GT, Clemson as potential options if 2 of the first 4 are already taken by the SEC.
I'm looking at a deal with the Big 12 for guaranteed football games, while the other Imitation Irish sports move to the Big East if the ACC folds.
There football TV rights deal with NBC, signed in 2023, brings in $50 million and expires in 2029.
It gets around $ 20 million from the ACC from a article I read .
That's less than what the B1G and SEC shares are, but being a football Independent is part of how ND draws fans from all over the country.
Big Ten, SEC are top conferences in revenue with athlete pay plan on horizon | FOX Sports
Big Ten, SEC are top conferences in revenue with athlete pay plan on horizon | FOX Sports
The Big Ten held a narrow edge over the SEC in revenue for the second straight year, according to newly released tax filings.
www.foxsports.com
I also found this when googling Notre Dame NBC TV rights
On Saturday, Notre Dame and Comcast NBCUniversal announced a new TV deal running through 2029. Notre Dame is expected to receive around $50 million per year from NBC, in addition to the $17 million it receives from the ACC. Notre Dame's total compensation is slightly less than what members of the Big Ten would receive.Nov 19, 2023
Michael Alford's tweet...
Bud Elliott's tweet...
From my buddy:
"Networks don't formally act to amend media contracts until the composition of a conference actually changes.
Acc = 7/1
SEC = 7/1
B1G = 8/1
B12 = 8/1
All have imminent composition changes in member that that will require networks to act. And act they will.."
Bud Elliott's tweet...
From my buddy:
"Networks don't formally act to amend media contracts until the composition of a conference actually changes.
Acc = 7/1
SEC = 7/1
B1G = 8/1
B12 = 8/1
All have imminent composition changes in member that that will require networks to act. And act they will.."
A national schedule with the Big12 would be the epitome of failure for ND.
Thinking of a religious affiliation match-up BYU and Notre Dame might receive more attention then we might think and be a big TV ratings winner.
TCU is a respected program and a worthy opponent , along with helping ND get some attention in Texas HS players.
The same goes for B-12’s Baylor .
UCF ( taking the place of ACC’s Miami) has had some success and starting to be looked on as a good program, that and getting Florida recruits might be a good reason for ND to play them if a Vitamin conference affiliation happens .
With Deion Sanders at Colorado , Deion will not let anyone forget to turn the game on and his hype might just make the game “ must see TV”.
Kansas and Kansas St are considered pretty good programs , don’t think those schools are a lower level opponent than most of the ACC schools Notre Dame has on their schedule due to the agreement with the ACC
It’s actually a wash once you leave Clemson , FSU and North Carolina games out of the picture and Notre Dame doesn’t have all 3 on their schedule every year
you need to find my post on TV numbers for the B12 and ACC, neither are good. Now for the B12, home mkts are incredibly small which makes them even less attractive. Now if the B12 were smart, and I believe their leadership is excellent, they would invite several ACC members, boot some teams and then go from there. I am sure the B12 would rather have Pitt and Louisville than TCU and Cincinnati. Hell they'd rather have Miami too
Don't doubt what you say one bit, but Notre Dame has a national following and that will make up for the small markets in the B-12
But as you seem to be implying, Notre Dame fans alone might not have the games against B-12 programs a Nielsen ratings success.
I just feel Notre Dame will look at the Vitamin Conference to replace the ACC football affiliation they have and put their other programs in it, if not have them join the Big East.
no as there is the issues with the NBC contract and ND will want primetime so ND needs more humbling
ACC losing members means their payout will change and there is no way the B12 doesn't look to add/poach so dynamics will absolutely change
lots of things can still happen but in the next 5yrs, we won't recognize the place
go look at ND ratings and tell me people are tuning in to watch them vs kstate, TCU, Cincinnati etc etc.
ND wants to be national, play in largest markets and on both coasts. ND only needs 1 open slot for Navy, the rest can be done from a scheduling perspective. Stanford can be the OOC game for them and many others should ND decide to join.
I've said for a bit, part of the expansion makes it impractical for BIG schools to schedule ND and it will only get worse.
Look at our schedule, we should have killed the VT game as we simply don't need to possible negative outcome. Scheduling matters
Interesting discussion on the PennState football board. PSU4U claims to have knowledge. He claims UNC then GT are the top of the presidents list. He also says B1G could get shut out of their wish list if if UNC/FSU go SEC He says internal politics happening with presidents coming together.
Your right about it being impractical for the B1G to schedule Notre Dame might be said about them playing SEC programs.
Making scheduling top teams every year a challenge, thus the Affiliation came into play.
If the ACC goes the way of PAC, I guess the Big 12 will enter the football schedule affiliation with Notre Dame.
Navy will be an assured game on schedule and I'm sure Stanford will want to play Notre Dame every year if the ACC goes boom, or survives ad g-? conference
BC will be another program ND might schedule every year once/if the ACC becomes a lesser conference or goes the way of PAC
I look at the ACC and the Vitamin conference as interchangeable opponents . Both really lack the viewership
but the CC has an edge, for now, because of FSU and Clemson for National TV viewership
Notre Dame isn't the TV ratings powerhouse of old, but that probably is because of it's ACC affiliation and top programs outgrew the need to have ND pump up their OCC schedule because weak OCC games at home gets the fans watching and Notre Dame is more of a challenging opponent .
ND being affiliated with the ACC is to make sure they have P- 5 ( now just 4) games on their schedule since many top programs went to a weaker OCC schedule and ND was finding fewer top teams willing to play them every year.
Staying independent in football was a must so the ACC offered the best of both worlds, just games against most of the ACC programs were not as desirable for the average college fan as the games ND usually played.
At Least There's No Debating College Football's Most-watched Team
>The Top 10 teams included three from the SEC, two each from the Big Ten and Pac-12
( now in the B1G), one each from the ACC and Big 12, and Notre Dame:<
At Least There's No Debating College Football's Most-watched Team
With most major viewership metrics now available, the results confirm that blue-blood programs and rivalries continue to dominate.
frontofficesports.com
North Carolina might not be SEC leaning because of the B1G's Academics and I believe a higher revenue sharing payout.
FSU would be a B1G coup, but Miami would bring Florida TV with them and maybe help B1G programs pull more talent from Florida .
Georgia Bulldogs rules that state and I don't see the SEC taking Georgia Tech unless they are scared to lose the Atlanta TV viewers.
I also don't see the B1G falling in love with GT, but a foothold in the south might be a good reason to.
As for my opinions, remember at one time I predicted Texas and Oklahoma to the PAC 😇
ND makes decisions based on football primarily, but their Olympic sports are certainly part of that. They value their Olympic sports, which is why they win national championships. That mindset fits in well with the Big Ten.
As soon as they don't have a place to park their Olympic sports, they are going to make different decisions. Of course, money will drive all of that.
lol, just read his thread and boy does he backtrack, cover all scenarios and throws a lot on the wall. There are some doozies there
anyway, this thread speaks volumes and is all anyone needs to know about psu
Sandusky prison interview article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13530461/amp/Penn-State-coach-Jerry-Sandusky-80-convicted-molesting-boys-PRISON-interview.html
pennstate.forums.rivals.com
according to that PSU guy, the presidents list is #1 ND #2 UNC #3 GT #4 VA #5 Miami #6 NCS #7 FSUlol, just read his thread and boy does he backtrack, cover all scenarios and throws a lot on the wall. There are some doozies there
anyway, this thread speaks volumes and is all anyone needs to know about psu
Sandusky prison interview article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13530461/amp/Penn-State-coach-Jerry-Sandusky-80-convicted-molesting-boys-PRISON-interview.html
Something tells me that FSU already has an invitation somewhere; otherwise they wouldn't have started the lawsuits to get out of the ACC.
The key list is what Fox Sports wants in the Big 10. ND will always be #1! But FSU could be #2 or #1a.
he said a lot of stuff in thread that counters his own threads
you really think the Presidents have ncstate on the list?
you really think GT and UVA are workable with the networks without losing money to member schools. They already tried with Stanford
lol
regardless, it's going to be very interesting to see where the schools decide to go
A complete dogshit program in every sense - even mentioning them is laughable
NC State has a zero point zero chance of getting into the B1G.
That probably applies to the SEC as well. They have “Big 12” written all over them.
You still believe FSU is going somewhere before 2026. I came back to the free board just for this thread
Yes
Everything I’ve heard indicates this to be the case
And we’ll know if I’m right or wrong by August 15th, at least for 2025
I have a more cynical take on the ACC situation. I believe that FSU was left out of the playoffs on purpose, and "pi$$ing off" FSU, in order to give E$PN cover to pull the "top ACC properties" into their $EC. I don't think any of FSU, Clemson, UNC will end up in BIG. Miami and UVa who knows ($EC, BIG, BIG12). Duke, Pitt, Lville and NC St., Va Tech, GT will end up in BIG12. Then it will be ND + 1 to BIG10. Our good friends BC and Cuse, along with Wake and the new ACC fellas will be sent to the Land of Misfit Toys. I have zero inside info. Basing things off of greed, and that the networks control the moves.
They were definitely left out intentionaly
Pre snub, there was more of a B1G / Sec split, with the fans trending more and more towards the B1G
Post snub, it’s B1G all the way
Wel see what happens, if anything (at least for 2025), by 8/15
Clemson not budging on moving the game vs South Carolina to Black Friday
The ACC is disappointed in them
Clemson giving zero ****s
The ACC is disappointed in them
Clemson giving zero ****s
ACC 'disappointed' Clemson refused to move football game vs South Carolina to Black Friday
Pickens County court documents revealed Clemson University declined to move its football team's Nov. 30 game vs. South Carolina to Nov. 29.
www.greenvilleonline.com
What's important about 8/15? Is that a date the league has for exiting or a court decision?
It’s the Cutoff date for announcing departure of the conference for following football season
