It makes it that much harder for those at the bottom to compete and it’s not a good way to treat your peers. We should know, now that we have a full share we’re becoming more competitive.
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When your peers haven’t done anything to contribute to the success of the conference, and because of them, you are losing money and are at risk of not continuing to compete at an elite level due to no fault of your own, yet those same peers continue to suck off the tit of the golden goose, then unequal revenue sharing does not seem like a bad idea at all
FSU is a national brand but does it deliver the interest of the southern half of Florida like a winning U. of Miami program? Miami >FSU brand in Palm, Broward and Dade counties [Possibly Orange County as well] where there is considerably more HS talent and dominates the Ft Lauderdale/Miami DMA (18th) and has strong interest in the Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne DMA (16th). I would also argue there’s more interest in Miami than FSU in the #1 DMA (New York) for various reasons.
You also can’t toss aside that Miami is a AAU member and FSU is not. I agree with you that FSU is better off almost anywhere else that’s not the ACC but I just don’t see the BIG adding FSU over ND, UNC or even Miami.
Assuming the SEC doesn’t want to over saturate it’s current FL and SC markets, I can see Clemson and FSU lifting the football profile of the B12 considerably especially under the leadership of Brett Yormark who will leave no stone unturned to see that his membership gets paid and gets as much exposure as possible.
GO RU
FSU’s ratings & brand dwarf Miami’s
Miami in its heyday was legit, but they haven’t been revalent since Ohio state neutered them in the fiesta bowl CG
AAU is nice but not a prerequisite
Additionally, ND is the golden goose
UNC is highly coveted as well
Miami is valueable but not on FSU’s level
B12 isn’t happening for FSU or Clemson
Expect to see them absolve a combo of leftover ACC teams
Pates recent podcast was telling - re. significant action by 8/15
But if the B1G includes endowments in the membership criteria , Miami is in the game.
Good point
A lot of it though is recentcy bias
If we had this conversation 15 years ago, Miami would be well above Clemson , and likely equal or above FSU
The issue with them is they’ve been largely irrelevant since they joined the conference, having infamously coined it the “All Canes Conference” upon their arrival
If endowments mattered, Stanford would have been in the B1G already.
Endowments huh… so Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are in the running for future BIG membership? 😉
Recency bias wouldn’t apply since as you stated, Miami hasn’t been relevant on a national level in 15 yrs yet is in consideration to be added to the BIG or possibly SEC. I would argue that the Canes are more popular than the Dolphins in South Florida when they’re playing for something. Let’s make the clear distinction now, South Florida is not the Panhandle and the Panhandle is not South Florida.
I digress, I can see arguments for FSU to the BIG or the SEC but I can also see equally weighted arguments against F$U getting added to either conference.
As you say, lets see what happens after 8/15. One thing looks for sure, FSU wants to make a move happen asap.
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Recency bias was in regard to Clemson, as they were largely pedestrian before 2010, sans the natty in 1981
Canes, when they’re elite, are definitely more popular than the Fins in S Florida
Panhandle & S Florida are night and day - why that matters, as this isn’t 10 years ago and cable boxes aren’t the be all / end all, is beyond me
There’s really no argument in regard to FSU getting into the B1G.
As far as SEC, there is the old duplicate market argument, which doesn’t hold much water anymore, or the fact that they don’t really need them as they have a bunch of other powerful brands, but I doubt that they would want the B1G to come in and steal them from under their nose and penetrate that market
Move out of the ACC is not a want situation. It’s a need to happen scenario if FSU wants to remain Elite.
There’s no other way to go about doing it other than, and since ACC’s been dropping the ball, the only option is to leave and leave immediately
At this point FSU must know exactly where they are going to be 97% confident that both big 2 want them. That or they find the Big 12 backup plan to be significantly better than an ACC with their marquee team.
There’s been assurances from the B1G as soon as the ACC issue gets squared away
I can’t speak to the SEC, but knowing Alford, he’s had conversations with everybody
Laughable. Big Ten Teams will soon be making $100M+ without Notre Dame, once they add Florida.
Notre Dame will be making roughly $67M, with their new NBC deal. B1G has all the leverage. They don’t need a scheduling agreement with Notre Dame.
Agree with all your points except the following;
“There’s really no argument in regard to FSU getting into the B1G”. There are, As stated by many FSU is not an AAU school which all BIG schools except for Neb which was prior to invite. The BIG no doubt wants to grow in the south, especially FL, but does FSU on its own check the box or would FSU and say Miami secure a significant presence in the south? If UNC decides to move towards the SEC which I don’t believe would be a good cultural fit, I believe the BIG inviting FSU and Miami would be a bold move.
“I doubt that they would want the B1G to come in and steal them from under their nose and penetrate that market”. From a business standpoint, the SEC will pass if adding FSU and/or Clemson does not increase the size of the pot and take for each SEC school. That’s yet to be determined.
From my vantage point, I see FSU and Clemson tied at the hip since both schools have past national success to point to, have awakened to the fact that their long term future success in the ACC is limited and both reside for all intent and purposes in SEC territory. It feels like wherever FSU goes, Clemson will follow and vice versa. Would you agree with this assessment?
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AAU, from my understanding, is preferred but not a necessity
FSU should be AAU within the next 7-10 years, as President McCullough was brought in specifically for that
A travel partner (s) would clearly be preferred. A combination of UNC, Miami, GT and / or Clemson would do the trick (I can’t speak to the B1G’s interest in the latter 3)
I don’t believe FSU & Clemson are tied at the hip, as I’m not privy to Clemson’s situation with the B1G
Both of their lawsuits are currently ongoing vs the ACC though, as they know staying in the ACC would be a death blow to their athletic respective athletic departments (in the context of staying elite in football and highly competitive in other sports as well).
didn't you see the thread " The New Ivies" now that they aren't Ivy League material anymore they might be thinking B1G 😁
Also in case of a tie in the B1G vote to admit a Florida school and picking between FSU and Miami, size of endowment might come into play , just like a hooker choosing a pimp.😇
MADHAT - "... size of endowment might come into play , just like a hooker choosing a pimp" That was hilarious! Relates to the topic. Endowment in millions of $$$$ vs. inches (or feet for the chosen few)
Leon County judge could order ACC to give Florida State confidential ESPN agreements
The ACC could soon be ordered to give Florida State's legal teams a copy of the highly confidential ESPN agreements.
www.tallahassee.com
About damn time
Article says the judge could, not that he ordered ACC to give FSU the confidential agreement.Leon County judge could order ACC to give Florida State confidential ESPN agreements
The ACC could soon be ordered to give Florida State's legal teams a copy of the highly confidential ESPN agreements.www.tallahassee.com
About damn time
Sounds like the Judge will probably order FSU get copies , but that's not a given.
The fact that they don’t already have them, and they’re under lock and key, is mind boggling
This , in article, "Previously, the documents could only be viewed at the ACC headquarters in North Carolina under strict security measures to prevent the information from leaking out" .is even more "mind boggling"
It makes me feel there are sections that no one is allowed to see except the ACC executives who negotiated the agreement and member schools can't access some sections of that agreement.
I can understand why FSU is demanding copies of the whole agreement and deserves to get them
That's putting it midly.
I would have expected all the members would have asked for copies right after agreement became bindingand took the leadership of the ACC to court to get them if the ACC refused..
I’m sure it’s been asked already, but that agreement has to have been signed by every ACC President at the time. Did none of them get a copy? They lawyers that reviewed the documents didn’t make a copy?
I’m not doubting that it happened, I’m asking how it happened.
It pretty mind-boggling that member schools signed an agreement and don’t have copies of their own. That being said, I don’t think that there is any conference realignment happening this summer. The courts need more time to sort out this case. These media rights agreements do seem pretty ironclad. I still predict UNC and UVA or Notre Dame to the BIG and FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 when the dust is settled.
the conference signs with ESPN and the schools sign/approve the conference acting on their behalf. schools needed to get permission and travel to NC to view the actual contract.
Rutgers 95 probably hit the nail on head and non disclosure agreement signed by those involved probably is reason none of the schools don't know what's in the agreement they are working under
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Is the Big12 trying to make a play for top tier ACC schools with the private equity...
Rumors on that popping up...
Can't see it, but I guess it is possible....
Pitt and Syracuse would be screwed.... because their spots in the Big12 would be taken...
Rumors on that popping up...
Can't see it, but I guess it is possible....
Pitt and Syracuse would be screwed.... because their spots in the Big12 would be taken...
No doubt Yormark is trying to make a big time offer to fsu and Clemson. Will it work ? Time will tell.
If your fsu and yormark is offering you more than you get from a discounted big or sec deal - do you consider it ? Will yormark front the acc buyout money to get them ? Hes clearly going all out for it
If your fsu and yormark is offering you more than you get from a discounted big or sec deal - do you consider it ? Will yormark front the acc buyout money to get them ? Hes clearly going all out for it
PE is getting into college sports. That’s happening.
Pitt and Sarah are not in any calculus that puts them in the Big 2 which is where this will end.
ND, Uva, Unc, GT. Those are the schools I have been hearing about the most from the last round and that hasn’t changed at all as it relates to the B1G.
ND clinging to Indy status like fake Dr Jill holding on to the WH. Both seem futile.
Pitt and Sarah are not in any calculus that puts them in the Big 2 which is where this will end.
ND, Uva, Unc, GT. Those are the schools I have been hearing about the most from the last round and that hasn’t changed at all as it relates to the B1G.
ND clinging to Indy status like fake Dr Jill holding on to the WH. Both seem futile.
As I said first over a decade ago and with recent additions, the BIG has 'draft board like list' of entities and ordering/demand changes per external changes. That list has certainly shrunk as the value of the brand has increased. make no mistake, very few entities can carry their own weight of admission to make all member schools whole and combinations become more important. I believe I already went over the host of variables, not sure of their weightings in the formula outside of common sense.
Most of all the schools and that mentioned above we covered last year and into the spring.
regarding PE and it's impact; disaster
Most of all the schools and that mentioned above we covered last year and into the spring.
regarding PE and it's impact; disaster
I much prefer FSU to Miami.
One: Miami doesn't have the alumni strength to build itself a stadium.
Two: the entire city may be underwater in 50 years.
The Canes are a (very) poor man's USC. When they are contending for a national title, they are popular. When they are not contending, they may draw 25k.
One: Miami doesn't have the alumni strength to build itself a stadium.
Two: the entire city may be underwater in 50 years.
The Canes are a (very) poor man's USC. When they are contending for a national title, they are popular. When they are not contending, they may draw 25k.
That keeps coming to mind with Miami.... The city is a 6' elevation. At least Tallahassee is at 200'.
I am sure it has been said at B10 HQ........ at the very least jokingly when considering Miami.
Miami has bigger concerns than worrying about receding shorelines and the like (all of which occurring long before we were even a country).
