OT: The official ACC all things thread

[JayDogSmooth]

McMurphy says the B1G adding FSU doesn't make financial success.
I disagree and feel FSU bringing in the Florida TV market makes membership a plus while adding a fertile recruiting ground as wEll .
As for disruptive, I doubt FSU would be even a minor irritant in the B1G because of the stratus of some B1G programs would put them in the middle class level , while in the ACC FSU was one of the top dogs and what they do/did made the people running the ACC worry more over FSU's actions than if Wake Forrest did the same.

Correct, but most people don’t understand as a simply want to be paid fair market value

The ACC dropped the ball in that in about 20 other different things, making FSU go public to air their grievances

The fact that it took this long for them to make noises it’s really mind-boggling, as those of us pay attention we’re calling for this type of action years ago

 

[bigmatt718]

McMurphy says the B1G adding FSU doesn't make financial success.
I disagree and feel FSU bringing in the Florida TV market makes membership a plus while adding a fertile recruiting ground as wEll .
As for disruptive, I doubt FSU would be even a minor irritant in the B1G because of the stratus of some B1G programs would put them in the middle class level , while in the ACC FSU was one of the top dogs and what they do/did made the people running the ACC worry more over FSU's actions than if Wake Forrest did the same.

That's a good point on the last one. In the B1G, OSU and Michigan are the Golden Children so FSU would promptly be put in their place if they even remotely tried any crybaby stuff in the B1G.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

That's a good point on the last one. In the B1G, OSU and Michigan are the Golden Children so FSU would promptly be put in their place if they even remotely tried any crybaby stuff in the B1G.

Why would they complain?

We’d be in the premier academic and athletic conference in the country, competing, and often times beating the top dogs, allowing us to compete for titles while getting paid fair market value and furthering our athletic and academic departments respectively, as well as our reach as a university.

 

[rutgersguy1]

McMurphy says the B1G adding FSU doesn't make financial success.
I disagree and feel FSU bringing in the Florida TV market makes membership a plus while adding a fertile recruiting ground as wEll .
As for disruptive, I doubt FSU would be even a minor irritant in the B1G because of the stratus of some B1G programs would put them in the middle class level , while in the ACC FSU was one of the top dogs and what they do/did made the people running the ACC worry more over FSU's actions than if Wake Forrest did the same.

Market is definitely important and contributes to the bottom line but the largest share of money comes from the tv contracts so if the networks don't want to ante up then it's not enough.

Plus don't forget Fox has an even larger stake in the BTN than they did before the pandemic. I think it's 61% now.

Eventually, I think they will get in just not soon if the networks don't want to pay up.

 

[bigmatt718]

Why would they complain?

We’d be in the premier academic and athletic conference in the country, competing, and often times beating the top dogs, allowing us to compete for titles while getting paid fair market value and furthering our athletic and academic departments respectively, as well as our reach as a university.

Doesn't mean the B1G won't have eyes on FSU because of past history. FSU is gonna be Kevin Bacon in Animal House being paddled if they get in for a long time. No crying and running to the SEC if they get a bad call vs OSU in a B1G Title Game.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Doesn't mean the B1G won't have eyes on FSU because of past history. FSU is gonna be Kevin Bacon in Animal House being paddled if they get in for a long time. No crying and running to the SEC if they get a bad call vs OSU in a B1G Title Game.

Why?
Because they stood up for their school and their brand, and were tired of getting ****ed?

If anything, B1G leadership will ask them "what the hell took you so long to start making noise" in regard to dealing w/the ACC shitshow

 

[bigmatt718]

Why?
Because they stood up for their school and their brand, and were tired of getting ****ed?

If anything, B1G leadership will ask them "what the hell took you so long to start making noise" in regard to dealing w/the ACC shitshow

I'm just saying, B1G will say keep your mouths shut if anything doesn't go their way. It's no different than bitching in a job interview to your potential new boss about your current employer. There's just tactful ways of doing this, like USC being much more covert about leaving the Pac-12. B1G if anything may test FSU's loyalty in the early days to make sure they won't be a problem child down the road.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I'm just saying, B1G will say keep your mouths shut if anything doesn't go their way. It's no different than bitching in a job interview to your potential new boss about your current employer. There's just tactful ways of doing this, like USC being much more covert about leaving the Pac-12. B1G if anything may test FSU's loyalty in the early days to make sure they won't be a problem child down the road.

I doubt it
They don't have a history of popping off and acting out of line

In regard to loyalty, the B1G is business first

Doubtful they're having FSU go up to Michigan in November the first year in the conference, just like they wouldn't want Michigan to travel down to Tallahassee in September

They have common sense and realize the big picture - something the ACC never had and never did

 

[mosito]

I honestly believe, (if it is true that B10 is taking it slow), that the idea is to see what Notre Dame does. If somehow the B12 can dislodge 4 teams, that puts ND in a bind.... UNC then comes up for play as well. Maybe B10 can take ND and UNC and get to 20 and wait. If UNC goes to SEC, maybe B10 takes Stanford instead.

SEC can't keep B10 out of Florida, so maybe go all in on ND and UNC and see what happens with the rest. SEC has zero appetite for Clemson IMO. They can come round for combination of FSU/Miami/UVA/GT/Duke/Clemson/Stanford/Utah/ArizonaSt later to get to 22 or 24. FSU, Miami are not signing long term contracts with B12.

 

[MADHAT1]

When it comes to the Big 12 poaching ACC members, the money isn't there to make ACC programs feel it's worthwhile.
For the 2022-23 fiscal year, each ACC school received between $43.3 million and $46.9 million; Notre Dame, an independent in football, received $22.1 million.
Big 12 schools received distributions ranging from $43.8 million to $48.2 million.

 

[NickRU714]

So the Big Ten won't take CFB blue bloods FSU/Clemson - teams literally winning and competing for national championships - because it doesn't make sense financially.

But some still think the Big Ten took a huge "risk" and threw Rutgers a "life raft"?
For what - some sort of charity?
Because Tim talked to Delaney on the treadmill?

 

[bigmatt718]

So the Big Ten won't take CFB blue bloods FSU/Clemson - teams literally winning and competing for national championships - because it doesn't make sense financially.

But some still think the Big Ten took a huge "risk" and threw Rutgers a "life raft"?
For what - some sort of charity?
Because Tim talked to Delaney on the treadmill?

Clemson is a good program with recent NC success but nowhere near a CFB blue blood. They don't have anywhere near the history to be a blue blood.

 

[NickRU714]

McMurphy says the B1G adding FSU doesn't make financial success.
I disagree and feel FSU bringing in the Florida TV market makes membership a plus while adding a fertile recruiting ground as wEll .
As for disruptive, I doubt FSU would be even a minor irritant in the B1G because of the stratus of some B1G programs would put them in the middle class level , while in the ACC FSU was one of the top dogs and what they do/did made the people running the ACC worry more over FSU's actions than if Wake Forrest did the same.

If FSU made financial sense, then they would be in the Big Ten.
The conference leadership isn't dumb.
Nobody is voting to add another mouth to feed unless the rest of the mouths at a minimum stay even.

 

[rutgersguy1]

When it comes to the Big 12 poaching ACC members, the money isn't there to make ACC programs feel it's worthwhile.
For the 2022-23 fiscal year, each ACC school received between $43.3 million and $46.9 million; Notre Dame, an independent in football, received $22.1 million.
Big 12 schools received distributions ranging from $43.8 million to $48.2 million.

Don’t forget B12 contract wont be as lucrative now that Texas and OU are gone.

New ACC members aren’t getting anything yet either so less dilution for them.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Correct, but most people don’t understand as a simply want to be paid fair market value

The ACC dropped the ball in that in about 20 other different things, making FSU go public to air their grievances

The fact that it took this long for them to make noises it’s really mind-boggling, as those of us pay attention we’re calling for this type of action years ago

I recall you are a pretty big FSU fan and I feel for you. UCF being in the Big XII AND being in one of the fastest growing regions in the nation.. Orlando area.. I think there's a real chance they will rise to the Big Three Florida school level. And if that happens and if FSU have not resolved their ACC situation.. look out when a "directional school" surpasses them and Miami.

I think FSU belongs in the SEC but not sure the Gators will allow it. Same for Clemson and the 'cocks. Big XII wouldn't be bad either.. but it would create a quasi-instant parity between FSU and UCF... which would be hard to stomach.. but that's better than being surpassed by them.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Clemson is a good program with recent NC success but nowhere near a CFP blue blood. They don't have anywhere near the history to be a blue blood.

I think you misunderstand "southern" football. For many decades of the 20th Century the South felt, perhaps rightfully, under-valued by the "Eastern" media (meaning Northeast to Chicago) that dominated newspapers and radio reporting on a national level. Same reason why the PAC got that whole Bowl Game thing going.. to earn their due on the field.

Clemson is a blue blood down there... though, really, can any non-SEC team really get that recognition these days?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I recall you are a pretty big FSU fan and I feel for you. UCF being in the Big XII AND being in one of the fastest growing regions in the nation.. Orlando area.. I think there's a real chance they will rise to the Big Three Florida school level. And if that happens and if FSU have not resolved their ACC situation.. look out when a "directional school" surpasses them and Miami.

I think FSU belongs in the SEC but not sure the Gators will allow it. Same for Clemson and the 'cocks. Big XII wouldn't be bad either.. but it would create a quasi-instant parity between FSU and UCF... which would be hard to stomach.. but that's better than being surpassed by them.

I like UCF

Always root for them as they’re fun to watch w Malzahn

Don’t think they’ll ever surpass FSU, or Miami for that matter (At least in our lifetimes)

8 combined nattys and a bunch of Heismans in the last 40 years builds up fandom that’s hard to replicate

 

[Scarlet16E]

So the Big Ten won't take CFB blue bloods FSU/Clemson - teams literally winning and competing for national championships - because it doesn't make sense financially.

But some still think the Big Ten took a huge "risk" and threw Rutgers a "life raft"?
For what - some sort of charity?
Because Tim talked to Delaney on the treadmill?

There was risk, and that risk was reflected in the financial deal we got.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

There was risk, and that risk was reflected in the financial deal we got.

Disagree. The financial deal was based on how desperate we were for a deal.. not the risk of the value we brought. Any offer was an offer we couldn't refuse

Though I still would have countered with something attaching an actual price to join rather than what we would be paid over X years after joining). I think Delaney/BigTen would have respected request at least, even if they did not agree. It would only mean paying us more if our value was more than they thought.. which it was. I'd have gathered the Big Ten second-guess themselves because, if we took the first deal, they would have paid us less than Rutgers have to second-guess whether a better deal could have been had.

 

[buffalochicken21]

Haha, UCF is not passing FSU or Miami as a program. Never will.

 

[satnom]

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Damning statements in this article for sure and Brett McMurohy is no Greg Swain.

Looks like SEC and BIG decision makers see FSU’s scorch the earth tactics by filing lawsuits, involving state AGs and bitching in public are a giant turnoff to member schools.

Based on this clarification by non-named sources through journalistic reporting, only way a school like FSU gets considered for the the BIG or SEC is if the ACC completely implodes which is not likely to happen.

And if the ACC falls apart, UNC and UVA [along with ND] are the first schools that will be snatched up by the BIG and SEC.

Yormark’s and B12’s hand has gotten even stronger in its dealings with FSU because it looks like FSU’s only real option if it leaves the ACC.

These quotes say a lot about the “in the know” posters on the inter web like those in this thread:

“FSU and Clemson not getting an invite to the Big Ten or SEC? That’s not the sentiment of several individuals on social media, who defiantly tweet — almost daily — that both schools are a lock for the Big Ten.

“The challenge with what’s online and on social media is those guys have a lot of time on their hands,” a source said. “How do they get away with this nonsense? Are they right sometimes? What’s the saying? A broken clock is right twice a day.”

LOL.

GO RU

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Damning statements in this article for sure and Brett McMurohy is no Greg Swain.

Looks like SEC and BIG decision makers see FSU’s scorch the earth tactics by filing lawsuits, involving state AGs and bitching in public are a giant turnoff to member schools.

Based on this clarification by non-named sources through journalistic reporting, only way a school like FSU gets considered for the the BIG or SEC is if the ACC completely implodes which is not likely to happen.

And if the ACC falls apart, UNC and UVA [along with ND] are the first schools that will be snatched up by the BIG and SEC.

Yormark’s and B12’s hand has gotten even stronger in its dealings with FSU because it looks like FSU’s only real option if it leaves the ACC.

These quotes say a lot about the “in the know” posters on the inter web like those in this thread:

“FSU and Clemson not getting an invite to the Big Ten or SEC? That’s not the sentiment of several individuals on social media, who defiantly tweet — almost daily — that both schools are a lock for the Big Ten.

“The challenge with what’s online and on social media is those guys have a lot of time on their hands,” a source said. “How do they get away with this nonsense? Are they right sometimes? What’s the saying? A broken clock is right twice a day.”

LOL.

GO RU

ND & Texas are the two most disruptive programs in America

One was swooped up by the SEC, the other, if they called the B1G right now, would be admitted before Noon

It’s about $$$$ - not who’s disruptive, who plays nice in the sandbox, etc - it’s money and everything else a distant second

I’ll leave the UVA stuff to 95 - from everything I’ve read and heard, they’re well behind UNC & FSU

Bottom line FSU is leaving the ACC. Where, when and at what cost are the only questions

Guys I talk to still think it’s the B1G in 1-2 years for between 200-250 million (although 1 still swears there’s no way the SEC lets them come in and take FSU)

Time will tell - but until I’m told otherwise, and being that they were dead on with other stuff (GOR meeting, Alford becoming AD, Jimbo leaving, ignition tradition, stuff with Bobby, doak remodeling, etc.) I have no reason no to take their word for it

 

[Panthergrowl13]

It's both a short and long term play in regard to staying elite
Short term they're fine - dominate a league with a bunch of misfits playing football while still excelling in other sports

Long term it's very problematic, and likely, catastrophic
You simply cannot fall that far behind your peers if you wish to compete and stay elite

You have a passion for FSU sports and I appreciate that.

However, I wonder why you don't seem to have the same passion for FSU academics and why FSU is falling significantly behind your peer Florida Universities.

In the State of Florida there are now 3 AAU Research Universities:

The University of Florida
The University of Miami
The University of South Florida

Why do you think these other schools have passed Florida State. Although not a requirement, the B1G schools pride themselves on their Academic and Research Prowess. Additionally, Notre Dame has recently joined the ranks as an AAU school. I do not think the lack of AAU membership will in itself keep the B1G from acceptance but it may still play some part.

I enjoy college sports but I am proud of Pitt for what they have accomplished both in sports and academically.

Pennsylvania has 4 Universities that are AAU Research Universities:

University of Pennsylvania: US News Global Ranking #14
University of Pittsburgh: US News Global Ranking #50
Penn State University: US News Global Ranking #96
Carnegie Mellon University: US News Global Ranking #134

Florida State has some catching up to do from an Academic and Research perspective with many of its peer ACC or B1G schools.

How did the University of South Florida attain AAU status before FSU.

Are the FSU alums up in arms about this fact and vehemently complaining to the FSU Administration and Board of Directors.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

You have a passion for FSU sports and I appreciate that.

However, I wonder why you don't seem to have the same passion for FSU academics and why FSU is falling significantly behind your peer Florida Universities.

In the State of Florida there are now 3 AAU Research Universities:

The University of Florida
The University of Miami
The University of South Florida

Why do you think these other schools have passed Florida State. Although not a requirement, the B1G schools pride themselves on their Academic and Research Prowess. Additionally, Notre Dame has recently joined the ranks as an AAU school. I do not think the lack of AAU membership will in itself keep the B1G from acceptance but it may still play some part.

I enjoy college sports but I am proud of Pitt for what they have accomplished both in sports and academically.

Pennsylvania has 4 Universities that are AAU Research Universities:

University of Pennsylvania: US News Global Ranking #14
University of Pittsburgh: US News Global Ranking #50
Penn State University: US News Global Ranking #96
Carnegie Mellon University: US News Global Ranking #134

Florida State has some catching up to do from an Academic and Research perspective with many of its peer ACC or B1G schools.

How did the University of South Florida attain AAU status before FSU.

Are the FSU alums up in arms about this.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Football is paramount but academics matter as wwll

Academicly, the pecking order, regardless of AAU status, is as follows

UF
FSU
The rest

UF is ahead of us for many reasons, most notably that they are older (technically we are but then went to an all women), we did not go coed until 1947, and more recently, did not have equal footing on any funding issues

McCullough was brought in from Harvard to get us to AAU status, 7 to 10 years is the goal from what I’ve heard

Obviously, that is important, as is US news and world rankings, which have us in the top 20 for public universities

Not to discredit Miami or USF, as I’m sure they’re fine universities, but they are not on FSU level

UF by all accounts is a public Ivy, and odvuously Elite academically

FSU has made leaps and bounds from where they were academically a decade ago and even longer, will continue to do so moving forward

 

[scarletrider]

for those who think Standford will join B1G with ND, what is the reasoning?
i thought Standford was left behind in the last round because they are not worth the amount they need to get paid in B1G.
it's not like ND can pay for Standford.

 

[satnom]

ND & Texas are the two most disruptive programs in America

One was swooped up by the SEC, the other, if they called the B1G right now, would be admitted before Noon

It’s about $$$$ - not who’s disruptive, who plays nice in the sandbox, etc - it’s money and everything else a distant second

I’ll leave the UVA stuff to 95 - from everything I’ve read and heard, they’re well behind UNC & FSU

Bottom line FSU is leaving the ACC. Where, when and at what cost are the only questions

Guys I talk to still think it’s the B1G in 1-2 years for between 200-250 million (although 1 still swears there’s no way the SEC lets them come in and take FSU)

Time will tell - but until I’m told otherwise, and being that they were dead on with other stuff (GOR meeting, Alford becoming AD, Jimbo leaving, ignition tradition, stuff with Bobby, doak remodeling, etc.) I have no reason no to take their word for it

Jaydog,

Love the passion for FSU as your Alma Mater but as a New Jerseyite, focus on Rutgers as your Big Ten school. FSU is not a take for either the BIG or SEC even if your contact is school president Richard D. McCullough or a FSU trustee. When or if FSU leaves the ACC, it will be to the B12.

You can now relax and take Ridge 22 out for a drink so you can both wax poetically about FSU’s move to the BIG after it attains AAU status.

Btw, I flew out of John Wayne airport a few weeks ago with kids. Was really convenient to Disney, Laguna and Huntington Beaches.

GO RU

 

[RUinPinehurst]

for those who think Standford will join B1G with ND, what is the reasoning?
i thought Standford was left behind in the last round because they are not worth the amount they need to get paid in B1G.
it's not like ND can pay for Standford.

Stanford...

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Football is paramount but academics matter as wwll

Academicly, the pecking order, regardless of AAU status, is as follows

UF
FSU
The rest

UF is ahead of us for many reasons, most notably that they are older (technically we are but then went to an all women), we did not go coed until 1947, and more recently, did not have equal footing on any funding issues

McCullough was brought in from Harvard to get us to AAU status, 7 to 10 years is the goal from what I’ve heard

Obviously, that is important, as is US news and world rankings, which have us in the top 20 for public universities

Not to discredit Miami or USF, as I’m sure they’re fine universities, but they are not on FSU level

UF by all accounts is a public Ivy, and odvuously Elite academically

FSU has made leaps and bounds from where they were academically a decade ago and even longer, will continue to do so moving forward

Well will have to wait to see how this all plays out.

By the way The University of Florida has a US News Global University Ranking of #106.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[retired711]

Stanford...

Those of us who graduated Cal spell it Stanfurd and call the students and alumns furds.

 

[Arizona Knight]

If FSU made financial sense, then they would be in the Big Ten.
The conference leadership isn't dumb.
Nobody is voting to add another mouth to feed unless the rest of the mouths at a minimum stay even.

FSU needs to get out of the GOR first. Nothing can happen until that is worked out.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Well will have to wait to see how this all plays out.

By the way The University of Florida has a US News Global University Ranking of #106.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

For US public schools in that publication, they are in the top five or six, along with Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, cal etc.

Definitely a powerhouse

 

[JayDogSmooth]

FSU needs to get out of the GOR first. Nothing can happen until that is worked out.

That damn document is a pain in the ass!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Jaydog,

Love the passion for FSU as your Alma Mater but as a New Jerseyite, focus on Rutgers as your Big Ten school. FSU is not a take for either the BIG or SEC even if your contact is school president Richard D. McCullough or a FSU trustee. When or if FSU leaves the ACC, it will be to the B12.

You can now relax and take Ridge 22 out for a drink so you can both wax poetically about FSU’s move to the BIG after it attains AAU status.

Btw, I flew out of John Wayne airport a few weeks ago with kids. Was really convenient to Disney, Laguna and Huntington Beaches.

GO RU

Love me some Rutgers
Have season football, ball, lax & wrestling tix

As I’ve said, the preferences, obviously the Big Ten, then the SEC, with the big 12 a distant third

However, if the money in the big 12 is substantially better than the ACC, which you think it would be otherwise there would be no point to make the move, I would be doing jumping jacks, some salts and backflips

Money is the only reason that we are having this conversation as it is, as falling, half $1 billion behind your peers is simply not sustainable if you wish to be competitive in sports across-the-board and remaining Elite in the big ones

John Wayne is great, I’ve done it before and hopefully everything is on time this Saturday so we can get some pregaming for the dodger game

The traffic will likely be terrible on the way going up, a drink or two in downtown LA with the sun shining on a beautiful Saturday will do the trick

 

[Ridge 22]

It is kind of insane to me to think that people believe that FSU did all this without a handshake deal in place with the B1G or with the goal of getting to the Big 12. And what do people expect the B1G to say right now - that we are trying to poach them?

 

[krup]

Love me some Rutgers
Have season football, ball, lax & wrestling tix

As I’ve said, the preferences, obviously the Big Ten, then the SEC, with the big 12 a distant third

However, if the money in the big 12 is substantially better than the ACC, which you think it would be otherwise there would be no point to make the move, I would be doing jumping jacks, some salts and backflips

Money is the only reason that we are having this conversation as it is, as falling, half $1 billion behind your peers is simply not sustainable if you wish to be competitive in sports across-the-board and remaining Elite in the big ones

John Wayne is great, I’ve done it before and hopefully everything is on time this Saturday so we can get some pregaming for the dodger game

The traffic will likely be terrible on the way going up, a drink or two in downtown LA with the sun shining on a beautiful Saturday will do the trick

Jay-

Is the thought still that FSU might use private equity investment to help finance whatever settlement they end up making with the ACC to get out?

If so, that could possibly be the genesis behind these latest stories of disinterest by the SEC and B1G. I would imagine the B1G and SEC, if they got involved with PE, would want it to be a conference wide thing (Sankey has made some comments in the past about it).

I don’t think they would want each individual school making their own deals that brings a multitude of different PE firms into the picture (with varying levels of influence).

By virtue of having to make their own PE deal to get out, FSU may be complicating things enough to make them a less attractive target for the two conferences who might like them, but don’t NEED them.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Jay-

Is the thought still that FSU might use private equity investment to help finance whatever settlement they end up making with the ACC to get out?

If so, that could possibly be the genesis behind these latest stories of disinterest by the SEC and B1G. I would imagine the B1G and SEC, if they got involved with PE, would want it to be a conference wide thing (Sankey has made some comments in the past about it).

I don’t think they would want each individual school making their own deals that brings a multitude of different PE firms into the picture (with varying levels of influence).

By virtue of having to make their own PE deal to get out, FSU may be complicating things enough to make them a less attractive target for the two conferences who might like them, but don’t NEED them.

I’ve been told everything is on the table

When you’re mere survival depends on getting out of the ACC, all options, no matter how outside the box, need to be considered

 

[scarletrider]

jay,
i can see FSU's value to Fox by bringing the FL market. was there any valuation done? i know B1G normally runs a valuation. i am a firm believer that RU got added only because we are in the #1 DMA in the country.
i am curious because FSU is in Tallahassee DMA, which is 105 in this list and the enrollment/alumni base is like 1/2 of UF or UCF.

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[scarletrider]

Stanford...

B1G wants ND but not at the cost of losing money because it wants to bring Standford
just don't see Standford
i would make sense if someone told me B1G wants the san fran DMA, which is #10 DMA but for some reason the last valuation study didn't think it was worth the cost

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

What do the PE firms get for shoveling cash at programs (FSU) or conferences (Big XII). I think such an arrangement might provide some short-term gain and long-term pain. Maybe the PE arrangement is merely some boosters banding together to support their team(s).

OTOH, I’d run screaming from PE. These guys tend to be smarter than the average bear and would likely fleece a university.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

What do the PE firms get for shoveling cash at programs (FSU) or conferences (Big XII). I think such an arrangement might provide some short-term gain and long-term pain. Maybe the PE arrangement is merely some boosters banding together to support their team(s).

OTOH, I’d run screaming from PE. These guys tend to be smarter than the average bear and would likely fleece a university.

$$$
Lots of $$$