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OT: The official ACC all things thread

scarletrider said:
jay,
i can see FSU's value to Fox by bringing the FL market. was there any valuation done? i know B1G normally runs a valuation. i am a firm believer that RU got added only because we are in the #1 DMA in the country.
i am curious because FSU is in Tallahassee DMA, which is 105 in this list and the enrollment/alumni base is like 1/2 of UF or UCF.
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scarletrider said:
B1G wants ND but not at the cost of losing money because it wants to bring Standford
just don't see Standford
i would make sense if someone told me B1G wants the san fran DMA, which is #10 DMA but for some reason the last valuation study didn't think it was worth the cost
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Stanford didn’t justify being added on their own. ND will bring so much revenue that the B1G would make money no matter who they add along with ND.

Stanford will be on a small list of teams that the B1G would probably allow ND to pick from to come along as team #20 if that meant ND would join.
 
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satnom said:
More commentary quoting Finebaum that UNC is the #1 ACC school that both BIG and SEC want if the conference falls apart:

www.si.com

College football expansion: Big Ten would want North Carolina over Clemson, Florida State, Paul Finebaum says

Even though it appears the Big Ten would not be interested in Florida State in the event of more college football realignment, one current ACC school might be a
www.si.com www.si.com

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Not saying he’s wrong
But I’d still like to c*nt punt that prick
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
That’s bc Bama got in

Sankey woukd have gone Ron Jeremy and blown his load over the committees face if the SEC would have gotten shut out
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Exactly. You rarely hear a commissioner with a sound bite like this unless there is some movement.
 
bigmatt718 said:
Clemson is a good program with recent NC success but nowhere near a CFB blue blood. They don't have anywhere near the history to be a blue blood.
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Agree with you and they don’t t really fit in the B1G and they don’t give the SEC anything they don’t already have. If Dabo ever leaves, I believe they go from a Top 10 program to a Top 20 Program or worse rather quickly.
 
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satnom said:
More commentary quoting Finebaum that UNC is the #1 ACC school that both BIG and SEC want if the conference falls apart:

www.si.com

College football expansion: Big Ten would want North Carolina over Clemson, Florida State, Paul Finebaum says

Even though it appears the Big Ten would not be interested in Florida State in the event of more college football realignment, one current ACC school might be a
www.si.com www.si.com

GO RU
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FWIW (which could be absolute zero) a VT blog cites an unnamed Vegas book as offering the following odds on who is next to enter the SEC if it expands:

UNC +300
Clemson +350
FSU +400
Virginia +500
Virginia Tech +600
Miami +1200
Oklahoma State +1500
Field +1300

Those odds seem unduly generous, but the ranking seems right to me.
 
Doctor Worm said:
FWIW (which could be absolute zero) a VT blog cites an unnamed Vegas book as offering the following odds on who is next to enter the SEC if it expands:

UNC +300
Clemson +350
FSU +400
Virginia +500
Virginia Tech +600
Miami +1200
Oklahoma State +1500
Field +1300

Those odds seem unduly generous, but the ranking seems right to me.
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Okie State has zero shot of getting into the SEC.
 
Espn is cash strapped. Espn prolly told SEC that it is not paying more for FSU and Clemson than what it is paying now.
 
Knight Shift said:
They are like the really obnoxious, pretentious girl in high school who thinks they are the hot chick, yet wondering why nobody ever asks them out.

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Also, an NCS fan talking shit is one of the more laughabe things I’ve seen in awhile

Trash school
Trash fanbase
Trash football program

If there was a picture of Little Brother in the dictionary, the Wolfpack would be the poster child
 
I still think fsu and Clemson end up in the P2 , they just aren’t the top choices, never have been and I think fsu and Clemson fans struggle with that concept.

But I can see it being a case of them leading the mag 7 to break the dam, maybe even being fed info by them to proceed - and once the top choices like nd, unc and uva decide then they fall into one of them.

As it was said in the reports - fsu and Clemson have a place in the p2 if the ACC falls apart, not just getting out but breaking the whole thing - so they have to do that to get into the big or sec
 
RU_Goo said:
I still think fsu and Clemson end up in the P2 , they just aren’t the top choices, never have been and I think fsu and Clemson fans struggle with that concept.

But I can see it being a case of them leading the mag 7 to break the dam, maybe even being fed info by them to proceed - and once the top choices like nd, unc and uva decide then they fall into one of them.

As it was said in the reports - fsu and Clemson have a place in the p2 if the ACC falls apart, not just getting out but breaking the whole thing - so they have to do that to get into the big or sec
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I think most rational fans would agree it’s ND as the top prize and that’s not debateable

Who’s second is the question. Is it UNC? FSU? Will A & M secretly leave for the B1G?

FSU could be 4th if it’s ND, UNC, and A & M rounding out the top 3

Or they could be a distant second behind ND
 
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RU_Goo said:
I still think fsu and Clemson end up in the P2 , they just aren’t the top choices, never have been and I think fsu and Clemson fans struggle with that concept.

But I can see it being a case of them leading the mag 7 to break the dam, maybe even being fed info by them to proceed - and once the top choices like nd, unc and uva decide then they fall into one of them.

As it was said in the reports - fsu and Clemson have a place in the p2 if the ACC falls apart, not just getting out but breaking the whole thing - so they have to do that to get into the big or sec
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P2- PAC2? That would be a good fit for them.
 
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RU_Goo said:
I still think fsu and Clemson end up in the P2 , they just aren’t the top choices, never have been and I think fsu and Clemson fans struggle with that concept.

But I can see it being a case of them leading the mag 7 to break the dam, maybe even being fed info by them to proceed - and once the top choices like nd, unc and uva decide then they fall into one of them.

As it was said in the reports - fsu and Clemson have a place in the p2 if the ACC falls apart, not just getting out but breaking the whole thing - so they have to do that to get into the big or sec
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Problem for them is there is nothing to instigate the break of the ACC. The PAC didn't break until a new deal was being negotiated and if they had taken the networks first offer after USC/UCLA left they would still be together. The B12 sneaking in and taking the deal a year early screwed them and then Colorado (one of the poorer performing PAC schools) leaving after a long holdout broke the floodgates and the B10 came in after that to take Oregon/Washington. Like I mentioned above even in that scenario what's the motivation of FSU if they have to take a reduced payout like Oregon/Washington. Pay massive exit fees and then get what you get or less than what you get in the ACC. No point then and might as well sit tight til the 2030s.

On top of which there is no such scenario in the ACC that would motivate any ACC (high or low status) to leave to the B12 (again WVU/UCF more likely in the other direction somewhere down the line imo) to create a crack similar to Colorado. In addition, the ACC has already backfilled with the western teams anyway in case of such an unlikely event. Their contract is set and it's essentially on par with the B12, probably somewhat better. So I don't see any motivation for anyone to leave to the B12 and thus no cracks to form similar to when Colorado left.
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
Also, an NCS fan talking shit is one of the more laughabe things I’ve seen in awhile

Trash school
Trash fanbase
Trash football program

If there was a picture of Little Brother in the dictionary, the Wolfpack would be the poster child
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This is a textbook post of why that NC State fan said he/she loved seeing the Sankey video. FSU fans think the ACC isn't good enough for them now. Hearing the SEC commissioner basically say his conference is not pursuing FSU in their current scenario just shows there's not necessarily a better conference slot available for FSU.

Also, NC State has won five of the last six games in the series dating back to 2017 season. Calling them a little brother in that situation looks like Syracuse-RU sour grapes.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
Problem for them is there is nothing to instigate the break of the ACC. The PAC didn't break until a new deal was being negotiated and if they had taken the networks first offer after USC/UCLA left they would still be together. The B12 sneaking in and taking the deal a year early screwed them and then Colorado (one of the poorer performing PAC schools) leaving after a long holdout broke the floodgates and the B10 came in after that to take Oregon/Washington. Like I mentioned above even in that scenario what's the motivation of FSU if they have to take a reduced payout like Oregon/Washington. Pay massive exit fees and then get what you get or less than what you get in the ACC. No point then and might as well sit tight til the 2030s.

On top of which there is no such scenario in the ACC that would motivate any ACC (high or low status) to leave to the B12 (again WVU/UCF more likely in the other direction somewhere down the line imo) to create a crack similar to Colorado. In addition, the ACC has already backfilled with the western teams anyway in case of such an unlikely event. Their contract is set and it's essentially on par with the B12, probably somewhat better. So I don't see any motivation for anyone to leave to the B12 and thus no cracks to form similar to when Colorado left.
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Bingo
It's all about leverage

Why would the ACC or ESPN voluntarily play ball with anyone when they have a sweetheart deal?
They wouldn't, b/c it's all about money

Enter AG Moody from FL, who pushed to get the ACC dirty laundry leaked
Now, there's some motivation for ACC/ESPN to at least come to the table or else everything is out in the open
 
RUtrumpet92 said:
This is a textbook post of why that NC State fan said he/she loved seeing the Sankey video. FSU fans think the ACC isn't good enough for them now. Hearing the SEC commissioner basically say his conference is not pursuing FSU in their current scenario just shows there's not necessarily a better conference slot available for FSU.

Also, NC State has won five of the last six games in the series dating back to 2017 season. Calling them a little brother in that situation looks like Syracuse-RU sour grapes.
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Nobody said the ACC isn't good enough
We've been there for over 30 years

It's strictly about money
And in the ACC's case, doing nefarious things to benefit certain parties (Swofford and UNC) at the expense of others (FSU, etc.), while not doing nearly enough to bolster the league and their respective member institutions

Sankey would have gone ape shit if the SEC got left out of the playoffs
Jim Phillips? Basically did nothing, and took it up the ass - no lube either, just straight jail style

In regard to NCS, they can literally eat an entire box of dicks

You've obviously never been to a game a Carter Finley
One of the least enjoyable atmosphere's around, fans are vile, and there's multiple stories throughout the years of shit happening there

Congrats to them, they beat us during the end of Jimbo when things were a mess, and during the Willy years, when most pop warner teams would have won

They are the epitome of little brother.
The Heels own that state.
Pack has won what, 2 basketball natties and done nothing in football - literally zero
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
You've obviously never been to a game a Carter Finley
One of the least enjoyable atmosphere's around, fans are vile, and there's multiple stories throughout the years of shit happening there
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That would be wrong. I've been there for at least two games that I can recall. After my RU days, I went to Georgia Tech for grad school and was in the band there, where I went to games at FSU, Clemson, UGA, NC State, UNC, Wake Forest and Duke. Never made it to Maryland or Virginia, and my time was before the ACC expanded so the other teams in the ACC weren't in the conference back then.

UNC probably looks at NC State as a little brother, much like I would expect UF/FSU/UM to look at UCF and USF.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
Problem for them is there is nothing to instigate the break of the ACC. The PAC didn't break until a new deal was being negotiated and if they had taken the networks first offer after USC/UCLA left they would still be together. The B12 sneaking in and taking the deal a year early screwed them and then Colorado (one of the poorer performing PAC schools) leaving after a long holdout broke the floodgates and the B10 came in after that to take Oregon/Washington. Like I mentioned above even in that scenario what's the motivation of FSU if they have to take a reduced payout like Oregon/Washington. Pay massive exit fees and then get what you get or less than what you get in the ACC. No point then and might as well sit tight til the 2030s.

On top of which there is no such scenario in the ACC that would motivate any ACC (high or low status) to leave to the B12 (again WVU/UCF more likely in the other direction somewhere down the line imo) to create a crack similar to Colorado. In addition, the ACC has already backfilled with the western teams anyway in case of such an unlikely event. Their contract is set and it's essentially on par with the B12, probably somewhat better. So I don't see any motivation for anyone to leave to the B12 and thus no cracks to form similar to when Colorado left.
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False on the Money.
Everyone can agree on ESPN doing what makes $$$ for them and taking advantage of it.

1) The B12 contract was based off of the additions of the Cincy, UCF, Houston and BYU. Utah, Colorado, ASU, Arizona did not renegotiate. ESPN was willing to pay the B12 amount each since those schools were worth more. B12 contract slightly undervalued - not a significant amount since you are splitting the money 16 ways, but still a couple of million. This comes up for renegotiation in 2031. Toward the tail end of this contract they are making more than the ACC even if ESPN picks up the ACC contract. And then the Big12 gets a bump. 380M/year(16 schools) from 2025 to 2031(currently 200M/year). ACC deal is 240M/year(14 schools) (i believe not counting ACC Network). The new additions are getting similar shares - although SMU,Stanford and Cal coming for free so other schools can bridge the gap)

2) I think everyone can agree FSU and Clemson are leaving. Maybe not the B10 or SEC but to the Big12, Independent or something else. Most people scream that FSU didn't do all this to just to go to the Big12, but for certain i they definitely didn't do all this to stay in the ACC till 2036. FSU will rather get screwed in money than allow the ACC to continue like if nothing is going on. They will leave. ESPN will not renew the the ACC deal without FSU and Clemson. But even if they did, the Big12 is making more and gets another Bump in 2031. I think FSU goes to the Big12 with the hopes of joining the P2 in the future. The Big12 will give them some unequal revenue sharing. Big12 wants to kill the ACC.

3) B12 going all in on maximizing their money. This might all backfire eventually, but in the short term they will be making more. They don't care if the B12 gets- renamed to Kellogg's Cereal Conference. ACC will not do that.


ACC is status quo on money or making less if somehow FSU can leave.

Big12 will be making more as of 2025(payouts in 2027) and they will sell their underwear to make more money. They will give FSU unequal revenue sharing. The Big12 sees the ACC gutting as ensuring their survival (I personally disagree with this), but this is how they see it.

I wish the ACC and PAc12 would have gutted the Big12 years ago to ensure 4 strong conferences even if the B10 and SEC were ahead. But it clearly seems the Big12 will be the lone 3rd league with the ACC a distant 4th.


Winners
Cincy
UCF
BYU
Houston
Iowa St
Kansas St


Losers
Oregon St
Wash St
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Cal
Maybe Stanford
Anyone that doesn't get into the Big12
 
RUtrumpet92 said:
That would be wrong. I've been there for at least two games that I can recall. After my RU days, I went to Georgia Tech for grad school and was in the band there, where I went to games at FSU, Clemson, UGA, NC State, UNC, Wake Forest and Duke. Never made it to Maryland or Virginia, and my time was before the ACC expanded so the other teams in the ACC weren't in the conference back then.

UNC probably looks at NC State as a little brother, much like I would expect UF/FSU/UM to look at UCF and USF.
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In that case I stand corrected
I can tell you firsthand experiences though of their fans being absolutely atrocious towards the visitors

In regard to little brother, you have to remember where FSU came from
We were considered the little brother to UF in many ways (academics, athletics, etc.) before Bobby took over
They wouldn't even play us until the Governor stepped in and mandated it

We aren't a blueblood

We don't have generations of doctors/lawyers/etc. donating money, so we're not nearly as wealthy and don't have nearly the amount of alumni as a lot of schools due to going co-ed in 1947

I'd consider us on par with them now.
Same number of natties and heisman's, both schools in the same realm academic wise, and finally, state funding is allocated somewhat appropriately

UF is more popular in FL
FSU is more popular nationally

UNC and NCS are night and day
From the amount of fans, to the academic prestige, to the athletic success, to reach/brand, it's not even close
 
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