OT: Vaccine
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Good to know. Wife spoke to her today and she is doing much better. She was pretty sick from it yesterday but nearly 100% today.
It was actually 3 injections back in the 50s and early 60s, when the Salk inactivated (killed) polio virus vaccine was being used. The US switched to the Sabin oral polio vaccine in the early 60s (using weakened virus strains), which was a small liquid volume that was swallowed and was also given in 3 doses - there was less risk of a manufacturing mishap leading to live virus in the vaccine causing polio, although there were also slightly more side effects. Finally, by the late 80s a much improved inactivated virus vaccine was deployed in the US, which consists of 4 shots and that is still the only vaccine in use in the US today.
http://www.idph.state.il.us/webhistory25.htm
Apparently my daughter got dose #2 of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. Again, sore seems to be her only reaction.
I actually started with the Salk and then got the Sabin. The Sabin was given in my elementary school to all students.
Very unlikely it will suddenly disappear from the earth. This is a very specially engineered virus. The pandemic of 1917-18 was the flu which is entirely less viral than this specific disease. Now that flu possibly did what you are intimating here. This is way different and deadly.
#s, so let’s discuss (with some #s (-; ), with a few questions. Sorry for the length.
So if you’re vaccinated it appears to me that in the WORST case (70 or older), the death rate is now .05 (95% protection from vaccine) x .05 (94.7% survival rate per CDC) = .0025 IF you contract COVID. This is the worst case. Does that make any sense to shutdown the world and the consequences? Health, social damage, economic schools etc
I’m not clear on this, but are we saying that even people that are vaccinated can spread it? If true then even if everyone is vaccinated there is a probability of people spreading/ contracting COVID and dying. We just lowered the probability. Yes/No?
So serious question, what is the acceptable % probability to open everything back up to normal?
When exactly do the masks come off? Honest question.
Remember, on top of a large % of the population that will be vaccinated (50%+), new hygenial norms have taken root, as well...more sanitizing, hand washing etc. so that also lessens probability of transmission.
If folks that receive the vaccine are totally in the company of others outside their family who have vaccinated, will they go back to interacting normally? There’ll always be new strains.
As I stated in my initial thread, no one should be forced to take the vaccine. Those that are vaccinated I’m very happy they made that choice for themselves - appears they’ve significantly lowered their chances of dying. For those who choose not to, they are accepting the risk, they should not be stereotyped as selfish in any way. What I have a huge issue with is folks that have received the vaccine continuing to want to keep supporting things shutdown. As stated above the impact and damage is much more serious. My strong opinion is that is selfish. “Living” is not just waking up everyday and breathing.
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My response was in defense of 1A, frontline healthcare workers. I could have misinterpreted the post I was responding to as it was vague in what it was targeting. I couldn't give half a shart about the inmates to defend them in all honesty. They should be 15z if there is a 15 step vaccination, administration plan.
I disagree with what you said here. I am not anti vax at all but it is the persons choice if they want to take it. I see articles about people working in healthcare who decide against taking it. Your gonna tell me they dont care? If I could take it tomorrow Im not sure if I would to be honest. Let the others with underlying issues go first. I still care about my family, friends and neighbors too. Im not afraid of the virus for me, Ive been working since this thing started. I cant really do any distancing in my line of work. At first I was nervous about it now after researching it not so much. You said not getting vaccinated makes it more likely we will infect others, well if the others get vaccinated they will (should) be protected right. It is there choice
Horrible response. Only worried about yourself! Screw everyone around you!
Have no problem if anyone doesn't want to take the shot. But they must remove themselves from society and keep themselves in lock down.
It's going to be funny when events and businesses make vaccination a prereq of attending.
Same people telling us all about "choices and freedoms" are going to be crying about choices and freedoms.
Same people telling us all about "choices and freedoms" are going to be crying about choices and freedoms.
Now that's funny and who is going to enforce this ? Politicians can't keep us home now . :Chop banana:
There is nothing funny about it! Assholes that want their freedom but don't want a shot should be subject to restrictions.
1st how is your head ? 2nd I love the rumors about businesses and concerts . My employer already said the shot will not be mandatory . I work for a place that has about 200 employees here in Jersey.
Business. Bars and Restaurants that got there ass handed to them these past 300 days. Gyms. Barber shops/saloons, airlines etc. If they require it than they can't be shut down again
How is it discrimination?? Its ok for government to close businesses but it discrimination for them to keep their employees and vaccinated customers safe? What country do you live in?
The same country you live in. By the way why have you been so angry in the last few weeks ? I used to agree with you a lot but now I have noticed you have gone off the deep end.
Absolutely not. So mandatory for everyone no matter what? No choice in the matter? Even healthcare professionals are Leary of it right now. If that’s your thoughts it’s sad.
My wife and some of her co workers who work for a group of surgeons passed on the shot this week. Their body , their choice as libs would say.
I have low tolerance for people complaining about restrictions yet refuse to get vaccinated. You can't have it both ways.
No only mandatory for people wanting to go back to normal. You can refuse to pass on getting vaccinated but you have to stay in home lockdown, you have a choice.
Sad you can't figure it out.
Is Walmart , Shop Rite , any restaurant or any other place of business going to be asking for a vac. card at the door like getting carded at a bar or liquor store ? And lets just play with this and said they did , someone would sell fake cards on the black market. Again it's all about money. And after all the money lost NO ONE will be turning away customers . CHECK MATE ...............ME !
Actually the choice made by someone in the private sector to require vaccinations to enter their property or business is totally consistent with "choices and freedoms". Nobody should have a problem with it.
Wrong again, sad you think that way. Im gonna live my life the same way I've been living it since about a month after this thing started. If you want the vaccine go get it, if I dont I wont. I am not anti vax at all just either.
for now members of the health care profession refusing to get the shot is allowed , from what I read.
But things might change making getting vaccinated compulsory.
I wouldn't want to be treated by an vaccinated person, that's my choice.
For most health care workers, an annual flu shot is compulsory, as are immunizations for measles, mumps, chickenpox and other infectious diseases. And that’s been upheld by courts. .
I think mandatory vaccination against Covid 19 would be too, if it was decided that health care workers need to get the shot or be unemployed.
Barber shops, at least the ones I see, have required you have your temperature taken to enter and a questionnaire. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a single case of Covid traced to a barber shop. So vaccinations aren't the only route.
But they might require their employees to be vaccinated and show proof or hit the unemployment line.
Unemployment benefits might not be available to those that lost their jobs because they refused to get the shot
All of them require masks. Actually state law correct? You don't claim check mate when you are too dumb to play checkers. Business has every right to refuse service to people that are a health risk. Again its the law.
Yeah, think vax will be a little more reliable than the 'ol minimum wage temp reading.
Lots of places have done the temp thing. We're there no outbreaks at any of them?
Again selfish. I will shed no tears if you infect someone but you might if its someone love that currently you don't care about.
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