I can say I am not worried about showing proof to travel or go to a concert. Concerts ticket sales have been declining for years now. The travel industry is also hurting big time. In the long run it all comes down to money and this nonsense about not letting people do these things and turning away their dollars is BS ! Money talks !
It's still too soon. People are still scared and this crap about prohibiting people from different things will die off .
And some people in prison are murderers and rapists. No way they should get it before someones elderly at risk parent who did not do crime. No way. Im all for the guards and staff getting it but not the inmates before at risk people on the outside
So you don't care for the people that work for the Department of Corrections?
No absolutely I do. I just said the guards and staff should get it. Read what I wrote
Yet you don't understand how it works. If they get the first shot it means nothing if those around them are infected. So you want them to go a few months praying that they don't get infected by the inmates. Amazing the lack of concern by some of you.
Cuomo vs DeBlasio...hard to peg the more loathesome one...they both make such strong cases!
De Blasio is using that as an excuse. Philly makes there own rules good or bad. Mostly bad but the Gov has no say unless it's statewide
Why exactly can't they completely sanitize the facility and eliminate all visitors so infection couldn't exist unless brought in by a vacinated staff?
Oh trust me. They are the gruesome twosome. I just enjoy two rats fighting this way.
When exactly did the science of the last 10 months prove that? And even if so..which I don't totally doubt..how does that play into my question? Just piping in air from the earth make a everything contagious?
Are you sure? Have you seen a study on Boars Head, Black Bear, and Oscar Mayer?
Yes they do in the vast majority of cases and for those who show low antibodies, most of them have robust levels of memory B cells and T cells, which should provide immunity from being reinfected - there have only been a handful of documented true reinfections out of millions of cases.
I was just giving my real life example of 4 people I know . They all had covid last spring, don’t have antibodies today as of the standard antibody test.
I'm going Friday to have blood drawn and tested. Curious what the results will be after seeing some of these posts.
This is wrong too. Vaccines will likely last a few to several years, barring many more major mutations than we've seen to date - and preliminary work shows that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine will very likely still be effective against both the UK and South Africa variants that are circulating and appear to be more transmissible (more work remains to be 100% sure on this). And even if we eventually see variants that "escape" the vaccine, modifying the RNA sequence used in the mRNA vaccines (and in all other vaccines that use RNA/DNA/proteins delivered differently) to provide effectiveness for new strains, should only take several weeks to a few months.
Congrats and stay safe - and thanks for being on the front lines providing essential medical services to people...
They might not need to, but the level of antibodies and B-cells/T-cells that provide immunity in infected/recovered patients is variable - almost all would likely still be immune, but their immunity "profile" is usually not as strong/consistent as the immue response triggered by a vaccine, meaning the vaccine will make it even more likely that one would have immunity to getting seriously ill (and be less likely to even get infected and infect others).
For your age bracket, the infection fatality ratio is about 0.4% not the 0.2% you quoted above (24K deaths in about 6MM infections, assuming ~30% of the ~20MM men in the 55-64 age bracket have been infected); if one just looks at PCR-positive cases, the case fatality ratio is about 2.5%, as PCR cases are about 1/6 of total infections. Those calcs make the case for vaccination even stronger for you.
If you inoculate law abiding citizens who work there 1st how is it going to escape unless you have a break out of prison? They’re on lockdown. Visitation should be done through a glass shield. These people have given up their rights when they chose to commit a crime. I have no problem making people who work in prisons 1A in the distribution line.
This is absolutely wrong. Every COVID vaccine has been subject to rigorous in-vitro testing, followed by controlled exposure testing with the virus to evaluate rates of infection and immune responses in at least two species of animals including primates, our closest animal cousins. And all of the approved vaccines, to date, have very strong safety profiles with the typical minor side effects every vaccine has (because they are priming one's immune system), but with serious side effects being very rare - even the anaphylaxis side effects are only being seen in about 10 in 1MM people and these have almost all been in people with known serious allergies (so they can be monitored and treated if need be). None of the vaccines were reconfigured, although the Astra-Zeneca trial was halted for awhile while a serious side effect was investigated (which happens occasionally). I've documented all of this in the main COVID thread with references. I'd implore you to reconsider, both for your sake and for the sake of others, as we truly need 70-80% vaccinated to drive transmissions down to near zero.
You're a sweetheart. Thanks. Sad, thinking THANK God Not me and how much does that line of thought suck.
We’ll see ...you were very wrong on the distribution timeline and as for the lasting effects of these vaccines many people are questioning that reasoning of not only you but others. The virus will continue to mutate and some will have a resistance to them. Others will be reinfected and perhaps not be as lucky. It was created in a lab and not a Pangolin ( which actually is a mammal I believe) being eaten by someone near the wet market. Strange how China last week did not allow the WHO to finally investigate and compare the findings from several countries. So keep up the “ it wasn’t a man created virus”.
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You're so wrong it's not funny and you continue to post misinformation, which is not helpful at all. I was not "very wrong" on the distribution timeline. I simply quoted the government's estimate of 20MM vaccinated by early January - never promised it. I did say I thought we'd have 100MM vaccinated by the end of March, which I think is still realistic. You want me to link that post?
Lots of may haves and could bes in there. However, the China virus crowd makes it seem that it was intentional. Could it have been an accident as described, maybe. Should China be more transparent yes. It’s also possible it came from a bat, so not sure what to do about that.Very lengthy yet excellent article detailing why the China Virus came from a lab. Not necessarily for nefarious means but by human error perhaps. Only a fool would discard such thought.
Quite the read but worth it by all means
The Lab-Leak Hypothesis
For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?
Exactly. I would go today if I could.
Because of a lack of Federal help to States and a coordinated effort. That will change.
