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OT: Who Killed NJ's "Pedals the Bear"?

Not my experience. The one I saw was mangy and appeared malnourished. Maybe the quality of garbage in your neighborhood is a lot healthier. Did move quickly tho.
I saw it in December, so it had a full winter coat, and I think it was migrating. Just passing through. It was also in the middle of the night.
 
The population of wild turkey in Mahwah has increased so much that it has lead to the increase of Coyote. I used to have a lot of them around my house back when I lived upstate NY. I havent seen many mangy malnourished. And they really haven't gotten into our garbage yet. Way too much wildlife around me for them to need to.
Since I do happen to have two large dogs, they tend to stay off my property but I have a dumbass neighbor who has had feeders out for deer(illegal) who has them in his back yard all the time.
 
I saw it in December, so it had a full winter coat, and I think it was migrating. Just passing through. It was also in the middle of the night.

Or maybe the one I saw was just old and on the way out? Maybe it was dumpster diving because it couldn't hunt as well as needed? No where near a wildlife expert. At least not the 4 legged variety:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
Anyone who works in emergency services knows pretty much every line of that movie. It's like a cult thing. If you've never seen it, it's worth a rainy afternoon with a few adult beverages.
Meow didn't think it was that great a movie. For me, if you're going to watch a movie, meow about Star Wars? Meow THAT'S a movie!





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NC has 100 counties, And 'yotes are in all of them. Heck, on a morning run this spring, the Mrs and I saw one posturing, standing over a fawn kill in a field, 200 yards from the Village Hall in the middle of Pinehurst. They are highly adaptable and eat whatever they find. Cats and small dogs are favorites.
 
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Anyone who works in emergency services knows pretty much every line of that movie. It's like a cult thing. If you've never seen it, it's worth a rainy afternoon with a few adult beverages.
I haven't seen it so I'll grab my youngest and give it a watch w/him (he's an EMT & firefighter, volunteer for now at least, as he's in school). If he hasn't seen it yet, I'll tell him it's required viewing.
 
I haven't seen it so I'll grab my youngest and give it a watch w/him (he's an EMT & firefighter, volunteer for now at least, as he's in school). If he hasn't seen it yet, I'll tell him it's required viewing.

I'd be surprised if he hasn't seen it yet. Seems like the younger guys used to pop the video in at least once during a weekend shift.
 
I'd be surprised if he hasn't seen it yet. Seems like the younger guys used to pop the video in at least once during a weekend shift.
Just checked w/him and yeah, he's seen it. But he's up for watching it again. So your theory about emergency services people watching it is validating so far. [laughing]
 
Food for thought. For some reason, the smaller the animal the more forgiving it is to kill. For example a fly. Who gets upset about someone killing a fly? Or a field mouse? By the time you get to an elephant it is an outrage if one is killed. So do we think that a mouse's life is not as sacred as a bear's life? Why is that.
 
Food for thought. For some reason, the smaller the animal the more forgiving it is to kill. For example a fly. Who gets upset about someone killing a fly? Or a field mouse? By the time you get to an elephant it is an outrage if one is killed. So do we think that a mouse's life is not as sacred as a bear's life? Why is that.

Because elephants and bears don't come into my garage and build nests in my golf bag.
 
I was going to volunteer to buy bear costumes for a dozen or so posters and invite them to wander around NW NJ but I realize we'd have a hard time selecting the chosen few. Just kidding, sort of, I'd probably be chosen by many...
 
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Food for thought. For some reason, the smaller the animal the more forgiving it is to kill. For example a fly. Who gets upset about someone killing a fly? Or a field mouse? By the time you get to an elephant it is an outrage if one is killed. So do we think that a mouse's life is not as sacred as a bear's life? Why is that.
I never killed anything that didn't deserve it.
 
Sometimes the coyotes in central PA could be easily mistaken for a timber wolf. There are also all kinds of mountain lion rumors.

Usually it is the western coyotes that look skinny and malnourished. Eastern coyotes are usually good looking dogs.

I need to watch Super Troopers again now.
 
Per the SL, the Honorable NJ State Senator Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) introduced a bill to ban black bear hunting for 5 years, in the wake of Pedals' demise. Lesniak said "Bear hunts are unnecessary and counterproductive. Let's put an end to them." NJ.... C'mon man.
 
Per the SL, the Honorable NJ State Senator Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) introduced a bill to ban black bear hunting for 5 years, in the wake of Pedals' demise. Lesniak said "Bear hunts are unnecessary and counterproductive. Let's put an end to them." NJ.... C'mon man.

Lesniak forgot to say "stupid and cruel and encouraging the worst in humans".
 
How are civil war re-enactors like hunters? Please explain because I don't get the connection.

Are you lumping the RU cannon crew in with hunters too?

Funny read about Civil War renactors: "Confederates in the Attic" by Tony Horowitz. Read it a few years ago on an extended hiking trip; laughed out loud many times. Turns out I know one of the interviewees profiled in the book, Soren D., who has made a very good living selling Confederate flags and such--a Yankee born in Connecticut who attended U of Alabama per his fascination with the Confederacy, much to the chagrin of his Dad, an econ prof at Yale (and later Rutgers). Hah!
 
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Food for thought. For some reason, the smaller the animal the more forgiving it is to kill. For example a fly. Who gets upset about someone killing a fly? Or a field mouse? By the time you get to an elephant it is an outrage if one is killed. So do we think that a mouse's life is not as sacred as a bear's life? Why is that.

Well, for one some insects or animals are known to carry disease. I am in a hotel and was besieged this summer as my room had faulty AC and the flies respond to heat and humidity. Here's some possible "issues" faced as a result.

1) I have several different types of welts and spot on my legs now. I don't know what's from a fly, what's an age spot and what could be else. At R tailgate my
buddy on this board talked about having had twice a migrating having skin rash/problem that can migrate and kill. I was also reminded by commercials tonight for "Monsters Inside Me" about borrowing pathogens.

2) Yesterday, by county requirement I had a psych exam (likely in the hopes of getting me on permanent disability (I prefer to work with my two masters degrees). Thgec psychiatrist asked me if I scratched until I bled. Well, with the fly welts I did but I don't do that under ordinary circumstances. If I theoretically wrongly received permanent disability the cost to society is great.

3) I have my security license (SORA) besides my MS and MBA. I can't make a living with the former unless I receive gun training, in which case my salary could double.
The cost to myself (not having a job) and society (including paying me for not working among else) could be huge.

***No sarcastic replies warranted!***
 
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Well, for one some insects or animals are known to carry disease. I am in a hotel and was besieged this summer as my room had faulty AC and the flies respond to heat and humidity. Here's some possible "issues" faced as a result.

1) I have several different types of welts and spot on my legs now. I don't know what's from a fly, what's an age spot and what could be else. At R tailgate my
buddy on this board talked about a migrating having had a skin rash/problem that can migrate and kill.

2) Yesterday, by county requirement I had a psych exam (likely in the hopes of getting me on permanent disability (I prefer to work with my two masters degrees). Thgec psychiatrist asked me if I scratched until I bled. Well, with the fly welts I did but I don't do that under ordinary circumstances. If I theoretically wrongly received permanent disability the cost to society is great.

3) I have my security license (SORA) besides my MS and MBA. I can't make a living with the former unless I receive gun training, in which case my salary could double.
The cost to myself (not having a job) and society (including paying me for not working among else) could be huge.

***No sarcastic replies warranted!***
Try vicks vapor rub on itchy rashes/bites. A little known tip. Not for poison ivy though.
 
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Bear lives matter. How about rats, chickens? Or insects? At some point, we should all be able to agree that some life just doesn't matter.
 
Bear lives matter. How about rats, chickens? Or insects? At some point, we should all be able to agree that some life just doesn't matter.

I enjoy the affected outrage at the thought of a handi-capable bear, that freely roamed in suburban neighborhoods, being hunted and killed during bear season.

Don't get me wrong:

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Per the SL, the Honorable NJ State Senator Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) introduced a bill to ban black bear hunting for 5 years, in the wake of Pedals' demise. Lesniak said "Bear hunts are unnecessary and counterproductive. Let's put an end to them." NJ.... C'mon man.
That may fly in Lesniak's district, but he needs to get out more.
 
Yeah...what could go wrong with a bunch of Yahoos playing Daniel Boone re-enacting sitting out in the woods, sipping on their JD, and waiting for some poor bear to come along so they can shoot it....from a safe distance of course. Yeah...it's hunting. These are probably the same hopeless lot that used their magnifying glass on ants when they were children. Heartless duds.
And to pretend that this "hunt" is some intelligent way to limit the bear population ? Dunderheads all.
one of the most ignorant posts ever on the football board and that says alot
 
Would love to see a bobcat. I see bears weekly, part or all of a group of 40 turkeys every other day, fox every other week, coyotes now and then. Broad winged hawks have nested 200 feet into the woods every year for the last thirteen. Screech owls calling every night. But never a bobcat.

Bears are not even acknowledged in our neighborhood. The most you might do is yell "bear" if you know someone is playing in the yard with little kids. I know in other places the police, fire dept., swat team, hazmat unit , national guard and helicopters are dispatched. If you called the police in my town upon seeing a bear they would say "OK you cuff him"
But what would happen if they saw a black guy in the neighborhood? I kid.
 
It shows how they are spread out, but not how many bears there are.....
Another article i read said our population was about 4000 in 2015. Each year the estimate is 800 bears are born.
 
Another article i read said our population was about 4000 in 2015. Each year the estimate is 800 bears are born.
A five year ban on hunting could possibly see the bear population double. My town was one of the white dots on the 1995 illustration and, as of last year, we had at least three bear sightings on our street in a couple of months - two in broad daylight. The prior year, a bear had to be redirected away from the municipal parking lot where a soundstage was set up & a band playing. This lot is next to the local Quick Check and, from what one of my neighbors said, the bears have tried to get into the enclosure there that holds the trash container. The store is located in the middle of town. The real danger here would be the bears having lost their fear of humans and the consequences of future one-on-one confrontations between a bear and a human. I had the chance to stare one in the eye within spittin' distance last year walking my dog on the sidewalk in town, a gaze where I could look right into the bear's soul, but the uncool part was then realizing that I held a lower position on the food chain.
 
Given the distribution, reports of daylight encounters in populated areas, range of activity, police reports of incidents etc etc, I'd say there are far more than 4k
 
Here are some good articles
this article is 7yrs old and claims 3500 bears
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/scientists_say_black_bear_popu.html

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/bearfacts.htm

this article is 1 month old and claims 3600 but also states there is evidence of 2-3 living in square mile habitats so you can easily see that while hard to determine, the breadth of dispersion and increased interaction in heavily populated areas demands a much higher estimate
http://www.wsj.com/articles/booming-bear-population-makes-n-j-residents-wary-1438979031
 
Given that the only remaining predator for deer is the car, perhaps we should do what they did in Yellowstone - bring back the wolves - they've done a number on the deer and completely rebalanced that ecosystem.

http://www.missionwolf.org/page/trophic-cascade/
I"m all for that actually as a balanced eco system is necessary but the problem here is management. How are you going to manage the population with an abundance of food? We can't even manage the population for bears and their slower reproductive rates.

I like the idea though
 
People share a lot of resposibility for bear encounters. Case in point, the vast majority of people in my neighborhood bring their garbage cans out the morning of pick up. There are a few a-holes who bring it out the evening before, including the lady across the street. Every other week the bears have a feast. Garbage all over the place including my lawn. Spoke to her a million times. She still does it. Her kids are grown so she doesn't care that this invites bears into a neighborhood with a lot of little kids. At least I get to enjoy watching her pick the garbage up off my lawn in her robe and slippers (no, she's not hot). I get a cup of coffee, stand on the porch, and shout out a sarcastic "good morning."
But here is the kicker. The town ordinance says you can bring it out the night before. So dopey for a town with one of the largest bear populations in the state.
 
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