What about the way OBJ behaved last week? Aren't you the one providing the "spin" when saying that you're proud of the giants for not signing lowlife scumbags even though Becham could've ended Normans career or broke his jaw with that cheap shot?
OT: Yanks grab Aroldis Chapmin from Reds
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I am not proud of Odells behavior but comparing unsportsmanlike conduct on the field to assaulting woman at home is rediculous and you know it.
No not everyone signs Hardy or Chapman. Clearly you will never admit when you really thought or said about the Cowboys and Hardy so I guess we are at an impasse in this little debate.
Why were the Yankees the only team willing to touch this guy? Are they smarter than everyone else? Perhaps. Or are they _________ than everyone else? You are free to fill in the blanks as you choose.
Professional sports is win at all costs as demonstrated by all the recent examples of second, third and fourth chances given to this athletes. Heck, even Steve Howe was given 7 or 8 chances to get back in the game after all his drug use. If Ray Rice had been performing well at the time of his wife's beatdown, he'd be back in the league too.
That said, this is a great move for the Yanks and strengthens them with little risk. If he gets suspended, it will be finished by the end of May. Plus, he'll be fresh when the others need more rest. They cannot fix the rotation anymore due to the contracts there so Cashman once again, pulls a rabbit out of his hat and improves the Yanks. Pretty amazing.
That said, this is a great move for the Yanks and strengthens them with little risk. If he gets suspended, it will be finished by the end of May. Plus, he'll be fresh when the others need more rest. They cannot fix the rotation anymore due to the contracts there so Cashman once again, pulls a rabbit out of his hat and improves the Yanks. Pretty amazing.
Typical Yankee hater line. And untrue. None of these guys were making big money during the 96-99 run.
Andy Pettitte was the top paid of the 4. At $5.9, Posada was making $350K
Even in 2001 Derek was top at just $12.5 and Posada at $4
Perhaps you've never heard of the New York Mets.
As their young pitchers start to become eligible for free agency you'll see a team that's not win-at-all-costs.
the yanks didnt pay for chapman, they traded for him. Trading for players is something the mets do too.The yankees operate within a budget now.
Chapman is free to pitch this year and im sure many teams wish they made an offer now that they see what the bottom line is. The price drop between what the dodgers offered and what the yanks offered was very big. Chapman will still have a large market once he hits free agency as long as he produces...that's just sports.
No one is celebrating his actions off the field.
Do you think he deserves the same fate as Ray Rice? Do you think Ray Rice shouldn't get a second chance?
The criminal investigation appears to still be pending.
And for the people who are saying the Yankees aren't spending, the payroll is still projected to be something like $220 million next year, once again the most in the majors. Chapman is another $8 plus whatever bump he gets in arbitration, assuming of course that he doesn't get suspended.
From a baseball perspective, I think this is close to a no-lose proposition for the Yankees. Even if he gets suspended, it won't be forever (unless he goes to jail for a long stretch, which I'm guessing won't happen), and they gave up 4 minor leaguers who nobody seems to think were great prospects, even if one of them was a 1st round draft pick.
From a moral standpoint, it may be a different story, but I've long since given up on pro sports teams caring about that unless it hurts the bottom line.
Actually the Dodgers have outspent the Yankees for the past few seasons and last year by a wide margin. But the myth continues.
Everybody saw what Ray Rice did...right there on tape....over and over and over again.
How could Ray not have known about the cameras in the elevators ?
When you are extremely drunk you aren't thinking very clear. Especially in spur of the moment .
Cali, you can go back to not following baseball, but if you are
interested here's an update. The Yankees are trying to undue their
past (no more 10 year contracts to 32 year olds). They have been
ungrading their farm system, but in this case they won't be paying anything for
any suspension time. It is really worth the risk even if he just plays
at the end of the year and helps a pennant drive. They gave up very little and
get him at a bargain rate. this guy has a very high strike out rate, averages very
close to 100 mph and one of the lowest ERA's in baseball . It's a good move
and they giving him a second chance because of their christian beliefs. ( how does
that sound)?
First off you didn't answer my question. And we still don't know what price Chapman might pay. The investigation isn't over and baseball hasn't ruled on him yet either.
So don't you believe in second chances? Or you only believe it for people on teams you root for?
You are correct! The Dodgers have outspent the Yankees in the past few seasons.
I'm sorry if BeKnighted hurt your feelings.
Sorry you didn't understand my answer. I fully believe in second chances, after someone paid the price for their crime.
If you agree with that, then you should also question the Yankees making this move. This guy has paid no price and is being given a second chance.
If you agree with that, then you should also question the Yankees making this move. This guy has paid no price and is being given a second chance.
Strangled a chick? The investigators have not found any evidence
of this at all, not a single mark, on her and she has already retracked
the accusations.
He will pay the price he deserves, in time. Just like Ray Rice. It was months before the video came out and he didn't have any price to pay in the courts.
If he never pitches again it didn't cost the Yankees anything. Good move by the Yanks. They know the risks, the know the downside and upside.
Before the video came out did you think Ray deserved a suspension?
Yes, Yes, yes, If he is found innocent, there is no price to pay, but the Yanks only get
him for one season, if he is found guilty, he will the price, and depending on the
penalty, the Yanks will get him for a limited time, or for no time, and pay accordingly,
this is a very good move by the Yankees, nothing to lose.
First, I sure as hell hope a pitcher, with his control of the strike zone, could hit the target at least once inside of a garage IF he was actually trying to hit her (or anyone else, for that matter...). Second, is it illegal to fire a weapon, if it's properly licensed, in one's own garage? I have no idea.
From today's New York Times: "According to Baseball-Reference.com, the Yankees are projected to have a $229.8 million payroll, the largest in baseball, next season."
Yeah, you're right.
I'm just lucky they didn't have cameras rolling back in the day when I used to get that chit-faced and do stupid stuff. Although I gotta tell ya....I never punched a woman in the face....drunk or sober
Correct I believe this is due to the fact that a # of very large contracts are in their final year/years and will not be renewed.
Dodgers were 20 mill higher than the Yanks last year. They didn't and now dont have Greinke on the payroll thus year but you know they still will be adding if they can make the right deal. When opening day starts I'm willing to bet a beer that the Dodgers will be higher.
And I don't understand why so many get angry for teams spending. Imagine what some extra $ could have done for the Mets last year!
Yes, we are paying a fortune for A- roid, Texterror, hopefully around the all star break someone in a pennant race would shell out a few bucks and take them off our
hands. If not, we will have to grin and bare it, and make sure the Yanks will have
learned their lesson. Cano is a good example, the Yanks held back the few extra
years on the contract, and made out. Conversely Seattle got over anxious and
are paying dearly for it.
Baseball's long termed guaranteed contracts has been one of the worst
moves ever and should be, but can it be, stopped?
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I'm not angry at all. I just don't buy into the notion that the Yankees have suddenly (or even gradually) become a team that wants to build from within. Look at the likely starting lineup for 2016: They drafted Gardner, but I think everybody else was acquired via free agency or a trade. They keep saying they want to have a great farm system, etc., but in practice that's not what they've actually done.
And while I know all those big contracts are running out soon, I will wait to see what the Yankees do before I reach any conclusions about the future path.
As for being angry I was referring to others on this board. And the proof of Yankees holding the line is the fact that they haven't been a buyer of big players the past two off seasons.
This was a great deal for the Yanks. 4 clunkers for at a minimum a supplemental draft pick. The upside is huge.
I wish the NJ Devils had the money for Lou before he was jettisoned
I guess the last big signings were McCann (5 years, $85 million) and Ellsbury (7 years, $153 million) in 2013. But the Castro and Chapman deals have added meaningful salary. Chapman got $8 million last year and is likely to go up in arbitration; Castro is getting $7 million next year, then $9 million, $10 million, and $11 million, with a team option for $16 million in 2020. (For luxury tax purposes, his salary is about $850,000 higher each year through 2019 as they amortize his signing bonus.)
