More Expansion rumors. http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...sidents-ominous-comments-dysfunctional-big-12
Power grab? Bolting to SEC? Oklahoma president's ominous comments on dysfunctional B12
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How long before someone in this thread starts talking about PODS?
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They are locked in to a BOG for the forseable futuer. They can make all the noise that they want, but the Big10 and SEC CAN'T can't touch them until they can come with their TV rights.
How many TV sets does OK bring? Why would the SEC or the B1G want them? Mizz and Tx would vote against it. NEB and the other western school would vote against it. The future is the coasts.
That being said:
I always said FSU and Clemson were perfect for the B12.
Grant of right or not, ACC is the weakest link. Throw in the B1G sights on UNC and VIR and SEC with NC State and Va Tech.
But can the dysfunction in the B12 keep it together long enough to let the ACC break apart?
Expansion isn't over brothers.
Great article. Worth a read.
That being said:
I always said FSU and Clemson were perfect for the B12.
Grant of right or not, ACC is the weakest link. Throw in the B1G sights on UNC and VIR and SEC with NC State and Va Tech.
But can the dysfunction in the B12 keep it together long enough to let the ACC break apart?
Expansion isn't over brothers.
Great article. Worth a read.
Great article? Did you read the part where the league would be taking over the LHN? You have a better chance of winning PowerBall then Texas giving up the LHN
Kansas and Oklahoma both bring decent TV markets and more important better games/programming for the next TV negotiation. I think 4 conferences of 16 teams is the end game. Do not have to extend the season, 4 team playoff, every game matters. B1G just taking 1st pick before the other 3 conferences jump in.
The only way to get to 4 conferences of 16 teams is for the P12 to expand by 4 teams. And the only way the P12 expands by 4 teams is if they take Texas, Oklahoma, and 2 other B12 schools. There is pretty much no one else that they could take. (I don't see Nebraska jumping from the B10 to the P12. I don't see the P12 taking BYU.)
You don't see a lot of powerbrokers around Nebraska liking the idea of joining forces with OK, TX, and Okie St again?
Yes, great article. Some here were stating expansion was dead. It is far from it.
I thought the article made a batter case for no expansion than it did for expansion. Also, during the last round I recall reading that the Oklahoma legislature would not let OU go anywhere (Last time it was to the PAC 12) without Ok State. They had to go as a pair. The SEC won't take the two of them as it doesn't add enough TV sets. However, college sports is a mess so I guess it is fair to say anything can happen. On another note, apparently West Virginia jumped from a "sinking ship" to a dysfunctional conference.
I'm one of those that thinks nothing happens until it gets close to the end of the playoff contract. I don't see anything in here that changes that dynamic.
Texas holds onto the LHN money. That prevents others from joining as there is no one that brings in $$
Even though the PAC didn't want Oklahoma without Texas and OK St was out of the question,
I look for that to change due to the limited options the PAC has when possible expansion candidates are concerned .
That option , if Oklahoma is given it, might have the Vitamin Conference expand , especially if they can entice Clemson and FSU . ( VT & NC St as options).
FSU and Clemson won't be allowed in the SEC if USCe and Florida can stop it and if the B-12 can show it's financially worthwhile to join: Expansion Madness might be the result with the BIG and SEC stealing some of the ACC Schools while the PAC goes after the Big 12 Ok and OK St programs.
But I tend to agree with White Bus when he says nothing probably will happen until the playoff TV contract ends.
I don't know when the playoff contract ends but I've always thought nothing would happen, if anything, until the GOR in the B12 is near end. I think it was a 13 year GOR of which we're maybe only 2-3 into right now.
Could the ACC look to raid the B-12 once he GOR ends.
The PAC might want some of that action too o_O
Who is the ACC going to add from the B12 at that time. Outside of Texas is there anyone they'd want for whom they'd make a "geographic exception" ? The only thing I could see realistically happening from the ACC side is a possible WVU add and then take UConn to go to 16 with ND as a partial. I don't really see any other realistic scenario from the ACC end. That's really only though if they're dying to get to 16. I don't know that they are.
It's the PAC12 that I think could make another play for B12 teams at that time but again that depends on Texas. They had a chance at OU once and they turned them down so unless anything has changed it still could be contingent on Texas. The SEC? Them I could see taking OU just on brand value but would they take their partner Ok State too? I don't know.
Not necessarily the only way, if one thinks 'outside the box'.
Just for the fun of it (please don't take this too seriously, folks)... here is a hypothetical scenario where the ACC gets dismantled... with the B1G, SEC, Big XII, and PAC all increasing to 16 members. The 64 members of this new Power 4 Conference Group then break-off from the FBS and form their own elite division... let's call it the FOOTBALL ELITE BOWL SUBDIVISION (FEBS).
New members in BOLD CAPS.
First the B1G:
WEST DIV.
Illinois
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin
EAST DIV.
Indiana
Maryland
NORTH CAROLINA
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
VIRGINIA
SEC
WEST DIV.
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Mizzou
Texas A&M
EAST DIV.
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
NC STATE
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
VIRGINIA TECH
BIG XVI
WEST DIV.
Baylor
Kansas
K-State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
EAST DIV.
CLEMSON
DUKE
FLORIDA STATE
GEORGIA TECH
Iowa State
MIAMI
PITT
West Virginia
PAC XVI
WEST DIV.
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State
EAST DIV.
Arizona
Arizona State
BOISE STATE
Colorado
HOUSTON
LOUISVILLE
NOTRE DAME
Utah
NOTES---
-Notre Dame cannot realistically enter the PAC on a geographic island... so Louisville comes along as a travel partner for the Irish. The presence of both Houston and Colorado in the same division as the Irish also helps a little bit with travel issues.
-Notre Dame is now a member of the same conference as their two traditional west coast rivals, USC and Stanford. The Irish could play an annually protected divisional cross-over game vs USC, and perhaps play Stanford every two or three years in a divisional cross-over game.
-Houston gets the PAC into the Texas market.
-The Backyard Brawl is re-established with Pitt in the same division as West Virginia.
-In order to prevent Ohio State and Michigan from potentially playing each other two consecutive weeks, 'The Game' played annually between the Buckeyes and Wolverines will be held in October, and the Spartans vs Wolverines contest will be played Thanksgiving weekend.
-Other West Div. Thanksgiving weekend B1G games will remain as-is, and the East Div. Thanksgiving weekend games will feature Indiana vs Purdue, Ohio State vs Penn State, Rutgers vs Maryland, and North Carolina vs Virginia.
-The biggest losers in this scenario are the three remaining ACC schools left out: Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest... these three schools will be absorbed into the American Conference. Sorry, Eagles, Orange and Demon Deacons, but that's the way the cookie crumbles!
-Other losers in this scenario, and left out of the FEBS include: BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Fresno State, Memphis, San Diego State, Temple, UConn, UCF, USF. So sad... but no more room at the Inn!
Again, the above scenario was just for the fun-of-it!
GO BLUE!
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The issue is the one you pointed out, can the Big 12 make it financially worthwhile to join. The problem is that the Big 12 can't renegotiate its TV contract. They only get enough money to cover the cost of adding the extra teams. Boren himself mentioned this earlier in the year. (So did Bowlsby.) Boren said:
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
http://newsok.com/article/5429694
The average payout from the Big 12 contract is $20 million a year per team. If other teams joined, then it would still just be $20 million per team. If you're already in a P5 conference, that's about what you make now anyway, so there isn't any real financial incentive to join.
So glad not to have to care about this stuff anymore. B1G membership. It has its privileges.
Ask Nebraska what its like being in a conf with UT. They are a cancer.
Haha. There is at least one poster who just loves to speculate on hypothetical 4 team pods
Looks like there's some teeth to the Big 12 expanding rumor
>On Tuesday, West Virgina University president E. Gordon Gee told the Charleston Gazette-Mail that he is also in support of expansion. He subtly indicated that there are others who agree with him.<
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...dent-in-favor-of-Big-12-expansion.html?pg=all
>On Tuesday, West Virgina University president E. Gordon Gee told the Charleston Gazette-Mail that he is also in support of expansion. He subtly indicated that there are others who agree with him.<
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...dent-in-favor-of-Big-12-expansion.html?pg=all
More or less how I see it shaking out - w/ ND going somewhere or no where as they are still the only one who can stay indie.
Nicely put together. Thank you
In the day an age of cord cutting, and the soon to end raping of people who don't watch sports but still pay $8 a month for ESPN, college football will have to consolidate to survive (...to command these billion dollar sport packages)
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I rather have OU and OSU than Texas. Place them in the west and move Purdue to the east.
The PAC 12 would never take scraps like Houston, Boise St., and Louisville. If the PAC expends they take the best available, including Texas. Please, you have the B1G grabbing two flagship universities and the PAC taking Boise St. and Houston, that is not reality, get your head out of the B1G sand.
Only info I've heard since this madness started w Nebraska leaving the 12 for Ten, only Mo and Ne were considered. Tex and Ks qualified for the academic levels (w Texas) but, Ok and OSU were way down on the academic levels. Actually, Ne fell a little short but the popularity and fan base made up for it on the income level and was accepted over Mo, who was publicly barnstorming for membership. I really doubt the Big Ten wants to give up on the CIC req, it's suppose to = the income of the athletics through research and endowments. JFWIW.
B1G adds Oklahoma, and Kansas.
ACC adds Note Dame and Texas
SEC adds Texas Tech and West Virginia
PAC adds TCU, Baylor, K-State, and Oklahoma State
Iowa State gets screwed. 4 conferences, 4 playoff games, conference championship game act as quarter finials. Each conference teams play all teams in their division (7 games, 3 from other division and 2 from one of the other conferences.
ACC adds Note Dame and Texas
SEC adds Texas Tech and West Virginia
PAC adds TCU, Baylor, K-State, and Oklahoma State
Iowa State gets screwed. 4 conferences, 4 playoff games, conference championship game act as quarter finials. Each conference teams play all teams in their division (7 games, 3 from other division and 2 from one of the other conferences.
No way the PAC12 expands without Texas. No way ND joins a conference knowing that cord cutting in cable will only make them MORE valuable as an independent than in a conference - conference networks are going to take a big financial hit in the next ten years when the 95% of cable subscriebrs pay so that 5% can get the network they wnat model goes belly up.
The SEC isnt going to add a nobody team in the least populated area of Texas, nor are they going to add WVU - not a big enough name nationally, and not a big enough region locally - with coal on its way out, WVU is in for tough times.
I'd pay $5.00 a month for the B1G network
I'd pay $5.00 a month for the SEC network
I'd pay $5.00 a month for the YES
I'd pay $5.00 a month for a Notre Dame Network
I only watch 2 or 3 stations now yet I pay for 300. SMH
Obligatory GOR's are not as iron clad as you think post:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ge/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights-010313
sportspolitico.com/2015/02/16/will-grant-of-rights-protect-big12-from-future-raids/
I've been very vocal in the Big Ten Expansion thread that if the conference is going to expand, Oklahoma should be one of the top targets, if not THE top target. I'll quote myself here on a few thoughts (edited down to keep it shorter):
Nebraska will do everything to get KU and OU into the B1G. Kansas and KSU are not tied together. Neither is OU and Okie Lite.
The GOR won't matter if OU and KU both say "f*** you Texas we are out." Texas will not keep the Big 12 alive without those two. The GOR will dissolve and Texas would either go to the PAC or go Indy.
Kansas wants in the B1G. The B1G screwed up in 2010 when this all went down, they should have grabbed KU and Mizzou (even though I hate Mizzou.) but that would have evened out sides for awhile and than added you guys and Maryland.
(Not saying this in a rude way at all.) Rutgers and Maryland were both still going to be there in November of 2012 when the B1G announced the addition of you guys and the Terps no matter the conference moves.
The B1G would benefit greatly in football, basketball and Olympic sports from OU and basketball, Olympic sports and academics from KU. KU is AAU and has excellent research facilities.
The GOR won't matter if OU and KU both say "f*** you Texas we are out." Texas will not keep the Big 12 alive without those two. The GOR will dissolve and Texas would either go to the PAC or go Indy.
Kansas wants in the B1G. The B1G screwed up in 2010 when this all went down, they should have grabbed KU and Mizzou (even though I hate Mizzou.) but that would have evened out sides for awhile and than added you guys and Maryland.
(Not saying this in a rude way at all.) Rutgers and Maryland were both still going to be there in November of 2012 when the B1G announced the addition of you guys and the Terps no matter the conference moves.
The B1G would benefit greatly in football, basketball and Olympic sports from OU and basketball, Olympic sports and academics from KU. KU is AAU and has excellent research facilities.
Here where that article fails miserably. ESPN or any other network isnt going to pay another conference for adding any of these teams. So where is the incentive for any conference to expand under the GOR conditions??
