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This is a selfish team with no leadership from the bench
Too many players trying to get there own shots without the ability to do so
When Gavin or Oscar are in the game
Players need to know that we want to get them looks
I wonder if the players don't like Gavin
He is open way more then he gets the ball
Either way , this team is horrible to watch
Too many players trying to get there own shots without the ability to do so
When Gavin or Oscar are in the game
Players need to know that we want to get them looks
I wonder if the players don't like Gavin
He is open way more then he gets the ball
Either way , this team is horrible to watch
He plays like he is 5'10 not 6'8. Needs to eat weight and some mean pills this off-season and get his ass inside the 3 point line.
That''s how Gavin has been playing 90% of the year though, he basically acts like a poor mans Oskar just camping out at the 3.
He’s super soft but has a lot of potential. He’s getting better imo. Hope he works hard in the weight room this off season. Some of it will come from just growing up.
Different versions of going small. The run was made w only 2 guards and 3 forwards on the court. Yes, it was small in that there were no centers.
At least he has potential, and upside, Cliff, Simpson, Mag, wolf, adios! no upside all must go. Sit those guys the rest of the year along with Hyatt!
If I had to bet.. Smoke isn't getting Acuff or McKenney.. We need an offensive mind, more than we need Detroit area connections
I have been watching him all year like he's family. He has had a few flashes I agree. Needs to get meaner IMO.
Agree Gavin should play a ton at this point and I am 50/50 on Derek getting pushed out but not sure if we can find a better bench player than him for next season. Cliff would be much better with competent guards.
If I could add 1 guy from the past to next years rooster I would pick Roy Hinson.
Man we could use a guy like that.
We would be a final 4 team!
He is better, BUT Gavin is making strides. He still gets beat on D, but doesn't give up anymore and followed up for a couple late blocks today. He's also not just shooting to shoot.
Right now Palm leads the team in true shooting % and efg. That should tell you something about the team.
Hawk has a point that Mag, right now, is awful offensively, and not himself on the glass or defensively. His offensive usage is also higher than Cliff's, another obvious problem with the team.
The talent on this team - and there is talent - is not being maximized by Pikell and his assistants. Lack of quality coaching is our major hindrance.
Derek could be a nice piece off the bench if he just focused on defense spot 3’s and getting shots for others. The pull up 15 footer needs to stop.
Simpson is being criticized the way that he is because I think fans are sick and tired of Pike recruiting guards who can’t shoot.
If you go into next season with J Will, Dylan, and then don’t get a third guard who can shoot, that will be exposed. Go take a look at teams that wins. They have guards who can shoot the damn ball. It’s why UConn poached Cam Spencer. I know you know this already,
but fair or not, Simpson is playing a position where you expect more offensively.
It also doesn’t help when Pike talks about how we’re gonna be a fast team that can score or whatever the hell he said during the preseason.
As for Mag, the guy was on the verge of becoming a 10 ppg guy while also being one of the best defensive players in the conference last year. Every team usually has a guy on the court who isn’t much of a scorer but he either brings defense or rebounding to the table. When healthy, we know Mag can do that. This season he has unfortunately not played up to par.
Simpson is playing to the best of his ability, but I don’t see him as a B1G guard.
Again, he’s a guard who can’t shoot and he’s undersized.
As for last season, obviously we didn’t have enough in the tank to finish it. Another blunder by Pike was not recognizing he didn’t have enough depth going into the 2022-2023 season. It was fairly obvious if ANY of our rotational players went down it would be a problem. So what does Pike do, he adds a HS recruit in Chol who was clearly not ready and should not have reclassed.
I have no idea why you think last years Mag injury didn’t hurt our chances. We were a 5 seed before the injury and then missed the tournament. No one thought May was some sort of all world player. We looked at him as someone who brought stability and intensity to the defensive end for a team that couldn’t score. Whether it was Mag, Caleb, or Cam, any injury to last year’s team would have been devastating. The gap between the rotational guys and guys who sat last year was enormous
Myles is very underrated in that regard. Does everything you need a big man to do, block, box out, rebound, defend, help on the weak side...ultimate team player, think he would be up there for me
Imagine being a terrible shooting team - and you don't prioritize getting your one gifted shooter involved. These guys literally ignore Gavin, just so they can put their head down, and throw up their own garbage. This teams IQ own offense is so bad
You have a defense first coach who doesn’t understand off ball movement is how you confuse and open up on the offensive end.
Riddle me that.
Riddle me that.
It’s true, but most of the fan base is blinded because we had two bubble teams make the NCAAs and our other team was going to win a natty but Covid happened…
this. you would think he would take the things that he knows are the hardest to defend for his defenses and put some of it into our offensive package. Obviously personnel will dictate what you can put in but there has to be some more diversity in what we run
And whose fault is that in that there is no offense? It's been a problem for 6 plus years. Helen Keller can recognize it, but some think we have an offensive. I guess that may be true if street ball or playground ball is an offensive identity. Wait until next year when the "we need talent" argument goes out the window and we go 16-15 and a first round NIT loss. I guess the excuse then will be "we are a young team."
Isn't development of the players you list on the coaches, particularly those that have been here over 5 years? Are we getting sufficient development of players that are of developmental quality. Its not like Cliff or Andre, for example, weren't P5 level players out of HS. They had to be developed to become dominant by now. Anyone seeing that?
Oskar took a charge. That’s the only GRF metric.
Not sure why people dont pass to Gavin though.
Probably because offensively you have developed an identity/culture where it’s better to go 1 on 1 and take a difficult shot vs actually keeping the ball hot and looking for a good shot…
He is shooting 31% from floor and 24% from three. That could be a reason
Again, no one is preventing Mag from cutting and making himself available. How is he supposed to have guards create opportunities for him, when he's not a 3 point shooter and does not cut to the basket and drive after the cut to score??
I would give him a pass if he did cut and the passes didn't get to him, but even at that stage in offense, you can to actually cut and then turn to score or shoot. What I find fascinating about this is I am in agreement that the guards need to improve.....BUT I am not on a soap box saying Davis and Simpson need to start next year.....you and others are NOT saying Mag needs fewer minutes.
What is the solution for next year....are you going to actually try and sell a bunch of nonsense, that if Mag doesn't produce and score next year with Dylan Harper and JWill as guards, that it will be Dylan Harper and JWill's fault NEXT year??? LMAO
It's like a bunch of little league parents complaining about when Johnny doesn't get to play as much as Michael does. It's always someone else's fault for someone else's lack of skill or talent I guess.....
We had four NCAA tourney caliber seasons in a row. That’s impressive at most programs, especially Rutgers. There’s room to criticize the current state of the program without poo-pooing really impressive past accomplishments
Outside of the Covid year, those teams were pretty average tbh. We just have an incredibly low bar here.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. In MOST seasons, if you finish top half of the B1G (aka average relative to your peers), then you make the NCAA tournament.
Few things here…..
1. Mag isnt the same player (you predicted it)
2. This roster needs more on O out of the 4
3. Next years roster may not need O out of Mag
Mag was terrible today. Missed open players. Didnt go hard after loose balls. His rebounding numbers are way down this year.
Do you blame them? Gavin is 4-27 in the last seven games.
He needs to make shots in the paint to boost his confidence because his outside shots are not even close at this time.
GO RU
He seems pretty similar to Schiano then, who you’re a fairly ardent supporter of.
Defensive-minded, old-school coaches who have rescued Rutgers from the abyss but seem stubborn offensively and have a low-ish ceiling .
Even Stony Brook caliber players can value team ball and pass. These players hate to pass and are thus worse than Stony Brook caliber.
Do you finally admit you whiffed terribly on Cam this past offseason.
Because since the guards aren’t going to pass anyway, our shooters just get out of the way for DSelfish, JWill and JMike to drive the lane and throw garbage off the glass.
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Absolutely similar philosophies, we will have to disagree on Schiano having a low-ish ceiling.
The difference is Schiano actually does run a solid offense with what he’s trying to do. It fits the identity.
I never once complain on here about the success of an offense. If guys are missing shots, they’re missing shots. It happens, and sometimes that just the way it goes. My issue is we don’t even get good looks. It’s pathetic. Everything is so forced and it has been since Day 1 he arrived.
Luckily, we’re about to find out what his ceiling actually is.
