Rowan College of Burlington County

[sct1111]

I would say one thing though, the facilities a Rowan are clean, new, modern and the campus has really been built up as of late . If I was a graduating South or Central NJ high school student and I did not get into Rutgers NB or TCNJ but got into the RU satellite campuses and Rowan, I would probably go to Rowan. The facilities at Rutgers Newark and Rutgers Camden are horribly outdated and the campuses leave a lot to be desired in terms of location and aesthetics. As much as Rutgers NB needs a face lift, the satellite campuses need it even more so.

Even NJIT has new and modern facilities. The difference in the quality of facilities from NJIT to Rutgers Newark is night and day and they're literally across the street from one another. I mean Rutgers Newark looks like an old community college. I would say a lot of the other state colleges/universities including TCNJ, Montclair, William Paterson have much more modern/build up/aesthetically pleasing campuses than ANY of the 3 Rutgers campuses.

Considering Rutgers is THE State University of NJ, I would expect it to be the other way around. The development of the Rutgers campuses has a long way to go and it should really be a priority for the state.

 

[RUJohnny99]

If I was a graduating South or Central NJ high school student and I did not get into Rutgers NB or TCNJ but got into the RU satellite campuses and Rowan, I would probably go to Rowan. The facilities at Rutgers Newark and Rutgers Camden are horribly outdated and the campuses leave a lot to be desired in terms of location and aesthetics. As much as Rutgers NB needs a face lift, the satellite campuses need it even more so.

That's kind of the point. Bright kids in say the 25% of their class AREN'T going to Newark or Camden. They're going to Delaware. Keeping more of those kids home isn't a bad thing, and is great for the South Jersey economy long term.

 

[Knight177lb]

I believe Norcross has a daughter on the Board of Governors at Rowan and this is all about Norcross. The more Rowan expands, the more money goes onto Norcross’ pocket. I’m sure all of the building going on at Rowan is done by friends of Norcross with a no bid contract. He used to be just into hospitals, but now he’s moved onto universities as a way to make more money and it’s bad for the whole state.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Considering Rutgers is THE State University of NJ, I would expect it to be the other way around. The development of the Rutgers campuses has a long way to go and it should really be a priority for the state.

Have you been to RU-NB lately, things are changing, new buildings, new schools, and they are just getting warmed up. Look up the future plans which are already funded or close to being funded.

The most important thing is however that a degree from Rutgers means a lot more than a degree from every other school in New jersey besides Princeton.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

20 years from now if Rowan has climbed to a point where it is in some way like Kent State / Bowling Green / Indiana State / George Mason / Towson / UNC Charlotte / Central Michigan / IUPUI .... - it will be respectable progress - - and they will be serving a need .... and providing opportunities for NJ kids who might otherwise feel compelled to look out of state.

The advantages that Rowan has over the other NJ schools - ample room for expansion & it received a large infusion of $$$ to get thing rolling (back when 'Glassboro" became Rowan) & local political players motivated to make it grow (yes - largely for self-serving reasons) - plus it is geographically well situated to reach out to a sizable out of state market - (South East PA / Philly / Delaware )

Not even in 40 years would Rowan turn into Auburn (vs Alabama) ... Clemson (vs USC) ... Purdue (vs Indiana) ... Temple (vs PSU) ... VaTech (vs Virginia) ... Miami of Ohio (vs OSU) ... Michigan State University ( vs Michigan) .... Rowan does not have sufficient backing, it does not have a real robust history ... and it has a long long long way to go ...

 

[retired711]

Rowan has the support of Sen. Sweeney, and that helps it. In addition, Rowan is *much* more aggressive about spending its endowment assets than Rutgers has been to the point where some have questioned the financial stability of Rowan. Rowan is also far more aggressive than Rutgers about partnering with community colleges (although I know there is a program by which one can get an MBA from Camden by attending classes at Camden County College). My guess is that Rowan sees this partnering as a way to eventually develop four-year degree programs at community colleges.

I don't think Rutgers particularly wanted the osteopathic school, but I really don't know the details.

The key to Rutgers' problems with Sweeney is that Rutgers refused to adopt the new medical school at Cooper Hospital as a Rutgers medical school. (This was before the merger with UMDNJ, and possibly Rutgers thought that taking on a South Jersey medical school would weaken the case for a UMDNJ merger.)

 

[RUfinal4]

putting politics aside it would be good for NJ to have 3 major universities:

South NJ - Rowan (they can merge with Rutgers Camden)

Central NJ - Rutgers (keep the undergrad degrees in New Brunswick / Piscataway with some grad school assets in Newark, Camden, and Jersey CIty)

North NJ - NJIT (may require a partial merger with Rutgers Newark and merging with Kean and another North NJ state school)

PA kind of has it with PSU, Pitt, and Temple

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Every state is different.

New Jersey doesn't have to be like any other state. No need to start going nuts tiring to merge everything.

What really needs fixing is the way that public schools are set-up (pre-college) in the state. But, that is a whole other thread.

 

[rutgersdave]

I would say one thing though, the facilities a Rowan are clean, new, modern and the campus has really been built up as of late . If I was a graduating South or Central NJ high school student and I did not get into Rutgers NB or TCNJ but got into the RU satellite campuses and Rowan, I would probably go to Rowan. The facilities at Rutgers Newark and Rutgers Camden are horribly outdated and the campuses leave a lot to be desired in terms of location and aesthetics. As much as Rutgers NB needs a face lift, the satellite campuses need it even more so.

Even NJIT has new and modern facilities. The difference in the quality of facilities from NJIT to Rutgers Newark is night and day and they're literally across the street from one another. I mean Rutgers Newark looks like an old community college. I would say a lot of the other state colleges/universities including TCNJ, Montclair, William Paterson have much more modern/build up/aesthetically pleasing campuses than ANY of the 3 Rutgers campuses.

Considering Rutgers is THE State University of NJ, I would expect it to be the other way around. The development of the Rutgers campuses has a long way to go and it should really be a priority for the state.

The reason why NJIT looks news is that it has expanded 3-4 times it's previous size. I'm amazed at how big NJIT has grown. Rutgers Newark has expanded but at a much slower rate. I assume more money went to Rutgers NB to expand.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Then why do you care. If RU is going to be the same in the realm of academia (i.e. within the actual scope of the university) whether Rowan gets more power and funding or not, then what does it matter if Rowan gets more power and funding.

Why are you choosing to appear to be dense on this subject?

State funds are limited. The more the South Jersey pols can make a case for Rowan, the less funds might be available for Rutgers. Do you not understand the power politics play here? Do you really think that as long as Rutgers is te better academic institution the funding priority will be theirs regardless of politics? How did that work out when McGreevy was funneling stuff into Montclair and his buddies there?

So, yeah, I am worried that Rowans gains will be Rutgers loss. Surely you must have followed the whole Rutgers-UMDNJ-Rowan triangle thing not too long ago. The politicians down there directly tried to rape Rutgers already. Why would any sane person not be on the lookout for such maneuvers in the future?

 

[derleider]

RU has been getting less state funds with or without Rowan for at least a decade now. Thats not going to change. You also seem to think there is a fixed pot of money for higher ed - but budgeting really doesnt work like that. In fact often, if Rowan gets more money, then the North Jersey pols will demand more too. The Camden County pols might start to demand some money for RU-Camden if Gloucester and Burlington get more.

Just look at the recent athletics funding proposal. I think Lesniak proposed $75 million - $25 million per school. But RU was never going to get $75 million itself.

What it sounds like is that people are scared that Rowan is going to get so good that people in NJ will actually pick Rowan over RU on a regular basis. But thats unlikely to happen outside of select fields, or unless their is a massive difference in price. And if it does - it says that RU isnt the school everyone makes it out to be. If NJIT or Rowan or Montclair are enough to make RU look like a bad deal, then jeez - how could we ever compete against Maryland or PSU, let alone Wisconsin or Michigan.

But the thing is - that for RU-NB there is no proof of that happening. RU is hard to get into. Much harder than Rowan (as this thread shows). And its getting harder as its slows its growth and creates a more impressive campus.

Scourge - reality is - it would make sense to merger RU-N and NJIT. They are right next to each other. Its an insane set up that I cant think of an equivalent in another state. Camden and Rowan is less of an obvious thing - but it would make alot of sense to combine them and make Camden mostly a professional campus and Glassboro mostly undergrad.

The question is - does RU get enough from its relationship with South and north jersey respectively (via those schools) to overcome the logistical and PR issues that come from keeping Camden and Newark onboard and happy. Would losing them basically give politicians in the state (who are concentrated around Newark and Camden) the ability to basically ignore RU altogether (since central NJ isnt a huge voting block and RU alums are not one either.) Of course if we did so, we should demand compensation.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The thing with NJIT and Rutgers is that the only way that will even happen is if Rutgers takes over NJIT not the other way around.

Rutgers-Newark and RBHS in Newark is just too big now. The Law School in Newark is now merged with the one in Camden.

NJIT had some wacky plans for UMDNJ and all of that was killed by the state and with good reason. They also wanted to take over RU-Newark at one point, but Rutgers was having none of it.

I really do think that the ship has sailed on that one.

 

[motorb54]

Why are you choosing to appear to be dense on this subject?

State funds are limited. The more the South Jersey pols can make a case for Rowan, the less funds might be available for Rutgers. Do you not understand the power politics play here? Do you really think that as long as Rutgers is te better academic institution the funding priority will be theirs regardless of politics? How did that work out when McGreevy was funneling stuff into Montclair and his buddies there?

So, yeah, I am worried that Rowans gains will be Rutgers loss. Surely you must have followed the whole Rutgers-UMDNJ-Rowan triangle thing not too long ago. The politicians down there directly tried to rape Rutgers already. Why would any sane person not be on the lookout for such maneuvers in the future?

This. God help us if Sweeney becomes governor.

 

[sct1111]

The thing with NJIT and Rutgers is that the only way that will even happen is if Rutgers takes over NJIT not the other way around.

Rutgers-Newark and RBHS in Newark is just too big now. The Law School in Newark is now merged with the one in Camden.

NJIT had some wacky plans for UMDNJ and all of that was killed by the state and with good reason. They also wanted to take over RU-Newark at one point, but Rutgers was having none of it.

I really do think that the ship has sailed on that one.

I honestly think NJIT and Rutgers Newark should combine. It should be called "Rutgers Tech" or something along those lines. It could be a basketball only school that competes in a mid major like the CAA or Atlantic-10.