KTR said it was an anonymous donor, and when you make your contribution you can elect that it go to a specific sport if you want
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Show me the 2 universities where legit success didn’t happen first.
I’ve asked this many times in multiple threads and nobody has ever responded with 1.
University has to go first. I don’t make the rules or define human nature. I’m just reporting it as it is.
It’s madness where is the love for Rutgers and the deep pitted wanting for Rutgers football and Basketball to be relevant. How can you come here day after day week after week month after month and just refuse to get involved? It’s a matching donation come on are we really that pathetic of a fanbase?
I’ll throw out 2 for basketball which can be recent:
St John’s
BYU
Both are throwing countless dollars at programs that aren’t in any conversations similar to the likes of blue bloods. I MAY even throw Alabama into that conversation as their University supports football first and basketball has always been an afterthought with limited success.
I stay away from trying to bring non sports people into deeply rooted and complex sports organization or topics. And that's why the thought processing of caring what someone may say or doesn't say in November, doesn't register on the sports calendar or landscape.
All I can say is that even Pro sports with Billionaire owners, for the most part, leverage their state for funding to help build new facilities, which has nothing to do with RU or what athletes should get paid.....
I am saying in reality, is the revenue sharing and TV dollars independent of revenue for athletes??? NO.......it is not going to continue, without a commitment from the state and its customers or residents where the viewers and talent is, which is here in our marketplace....
Why is an election in New Jersey more relevant than Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nebraska, California etc....?? I have never ever connected the sports landscape of winning to anything associated with what may happen with people who literally have no idea what Rutgers athletics is or isn't.
I am of the opinion that sports unified cultural differences and obviously that would take place with anything that damages RU or the opportunity to keep up with our conference. And that I have seen the same people say they cannot stand Chris Christie when he wanted to gut RU and their hoops program and have those same people sing his praises when it comes to some odd-ball political topic.
The best thing to do is ignore any noise whatsoever in regards to what any political person says. Which is life is better for those who stay away from the topics altogether......its only triggering for people who just aren't confident enough in their beliefs, that they need to convince others that they're correct.....which is why I could care less what anyone says, it's whatever is best for RU that matter the most......
we don't have history yet......
I think going forward you can definitely have $ creating the winner as opposed to $ following the winner.
i don't think you can win now without the money, at least major conference
NJH....taxes and net population moves.
We are a VERY expensive state to live in. RU (and Maryland) have enormous athletic losses that other schools don't have.
The issue is becoming binary almost
1. Make the investment and increase budget another $10,000,000
2. Give up
Status quo isn't going to work.
Your agument shouldn't be Franklin is doing it......it should be the economic benefit of having Rutgers as a great academic university and how important athletics are to that.
In this current environment (March 2025) unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter.
We are a VERY expensive state to live in. RU (and Maryland) have enormous athletic losses that other schools don't have.
The issue is becoming binary almost
1. Make the investment and increase budget another $10,000,000
2. Give up
Status quo isn't going to work.
Your agument shouldn't be Franklin is doing it......it should be the economic benefit of having Rutgers as a great academic university and how important athletics are to that.
In this current environment (March 2025) unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter.
Population in NJ has increased not decreased because of taxes.
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New Jersey's population is growing, and it's growing faster than other northeastern states. In 2025, New Jersey's population reached 9,500,851, which is a 1.3% increase from 2023. This makes New Jersey the 11th most populated state in the country.
Factors affecting population growth
- Immigration: New Jersey's population growth is fueled by international immigration.
- Birth rate: New Jersey's birth rate is in the middle of the pack, but it's not high enough to replace the aging baby boomer population.
- Domestic migration: Some New Jersey residents leave for new jobs, lower costs, or warmer weather.
I was wrong if google gemini is right. Looks like NJ population growth is slightly above the US population growth so I gave bad data.
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I’m 100% going to donate to this match!
BYU has had great success as an athletic department over the years, including winning a football Natty in the 80s.
St. John’s is being funded by a billionaire right now.
I’m 100% going to donate to this match!
To be clear what I’m asking is this…. Show me 2 universities that have had equivalent “success” as Rutgers has had (as in, ummm, almost 0 success ever), that has regular sell outs in 50k+ stadiums, and has strong donations from many fans (not 1, humongous donor).
That’s my point. They don’t exist. The school has to invest and build a winner. They need to take it seriously. They have the money, they’re not poor.
And again, I’m 100% going to donate to this match!
This is getting ridiculous,--- let's make the naysayers happy---give up D1 basketball,- wouldn't that be wonderful. Also, might.as well close Rutgers University, the state would save tons. Hey close down the public hospitals, more savings. And as for Seton Hall, fans bitching about taxes, close down any government support to the diocese of Newark and it's schools. All bullshyt by those with heads up their asses.
Did you miss Indiana & SMU in football this year? Someone else just named two basketball programs in an earlier response.
What you’re missing or in denial about is the dynamics have changed. Again, you can wait for organic growth and go to the grave never seeing it or the fan base can make it happen.
Or change your outlook and not expect highly competitive teams in the future and celebrate minor bowl games, finishing in the middle of the B1G standing last for basketball and being out more often than in when March rolls around, etc.
You’re not understanding what I’m saying. But that’s okay.
I fully understand the dynamics have changed with NIL and the transfer portal. If you think a 1 million dollar campaign every other year is going to move a needle, like at all, then my friend, you are the one missing or in denial about hired the dynamics have truly changed.
Again though, I’m donating to this match! Go RU!
(I’ll post again as soon as someone can find teams where widespread fan support came before on field success, as I stated earlier. The 4 posted in this thread definitely do not fit that criteria. 😂 )
I fully understand the dynamics have changed with NIL and the transfer portal. If you think a 1 million dollar campaign every other year is going to move a needle, like at all, then my friend, you are the one missing or in denial about hired the dynamics have truly changed.
Again though, I’m donating to this match! Go RU!
(I’ll post again as soon as someone can find teams where widespread fan support came before on field success, as I stated earlier. The 4 posted in this thread definitely do not fit that criteria. 😂 )
So we should forego the TV revenue and balance the books, with 18K fans in the stadium and play Delaware and Monmouth OR grow the revenue to a point that exceeds the expenses??
I would rather you try to argue why the Offensive Coordinator is suddenly making 1.5M to 2M per year, when he's not more valuable than the QB we need to sell 50K season tickets.
I think the revenue to players is only an issue because the players are not viewed as valuable by the consumer. Somehow there's an assumption that RU can put any center on the basketball court to defend the Russian import from Michigan or the Swedish Purdue center who is 7'3" and sitting out this year because of injury.
I can show you what RU looks like without revenue sharing and if you don't support sports....If you have the RU game on your laptop or TV at 7PM tonight vs Purdue and watch that game......OR turn to FS1 at 7PM tonight at the same time and watch the environment of the Prudential Center with Seton Hall hosting Creighton.....in your world, we will look like Seton Hall playing Creighton, in your world of caring about what residents think......most state residents have never stepped foot in Middlesex County or Rutgers campus. That's a separate topic for another day......
This is the reality of 2025 College sports and it's no longer hidden with bags of cash being delivered to the uncle of a Duke player near the bleachers at Cameron Indoor Stadium. It has ALWAYS happened that way, just because it's now being shown to the public, doesn't mean is has not been reality for decades. This concept is not "new"........
I hate to be that blunt, but it's only a problem because the athletes are showing up and stating they have rights and schools have a right to pay or not pay them. If you want to win and be relevant, you take the TV revenue and pay the players. I am not paying money to watch Monmouth play Rider or Princeton playing Yale.
Rutgers athletics gets more support from the state and university than any other B1G university.
In 2023, this amount totaled $26.1 million. It is made up of:
1) $6.2 million of state appropriations
2) $13.5 million of student fees
3) $6.4 million of Rutgers University money transferred to the athletic department.
In 2024, Rutgers athletics scored $28.6 million of this support, a 10% increase.
One wonders what the next New Jersey governor, Rutgers president, and Rutgers athletic director will think of this level of subsidy, especially when most B1G peers operate with little to none of it.
What Rutgers athletics lacks is ticket sales revenue and donations. This is the biggest reason for the financial performance gap between Rutgers and its B1G peers.
How do TKR posters propose we get ticket sales and donations in line with the B1G median? That would require a doubling in ticket sales and quintupling in donations.
In 2023, this amount totaled $26.1 million. It is made up of:
1) $6.2 million of state appropriations
2) $13.5 million of student fees
3) $6.4 million of Rutgers University money transferred to the athletic department.
In 2024, Rutgers athletics scored $28.6 million of this support, a 10% increase.
One wonders what the next New Jersey governor, Rutgers president, and Rutgers athletic director will think of this level of subsidy, especially when most B1G peers operate with little to none of it.
What Rutgers athletics lacks is ticket sales revenue and donations. This is the biggest reason for the financial performance gap between Rutgers and its B1G peers.
How do TKR posters propose we get ticket sales and donations in line with the B1G median? That would require a doubling in ticket sales and quintupling in donations.
not true...winning matters...better shot at competing there across the board
#2 can't be an option after we begged and pleaded and shoehorned our way into the B10... if we make it known we are not invested in athletics at the university level and fan level we will be asked out of the league and will be worse off than if we never entered it at all
As for schools that have turned their programs around quickly via NIL era (in addition to BYU and St Johns)
BASKETBALL
Missouri
Texas Tech
Louisville
Maryland
Memphis
Mississipi State
FOOTBALL
Arizona St
Indiana
SMU
BYU again
Illinois
Miami
Missouri again
Colorado
I am sure there are others just perusing the top 25 in both sports at the end of football and currently in hoops
The other schools that are at that level have maintained there success with the assistance of NIL and as some mentioned schools that were traditionally football powerhouses like Alabama, Auburn, Clemson etc etc have so much going for them funding wise that they can support both programs
The fanbase has an unfortunate mix of people that want to be the next St Johns or Indiana and fans who hope itll just work out but more likely will lead us being Boston College, Seton Hall, Minnesota, etc.
I just supplied a reasonable list of programs that were doormats in their respective sports the season prior and did not turn it around simply by "running it back"
For the record there wouldve been nothing wrong with being in the ACC
At that time we would have been happy to be there instead of the AAC as well... and I truly think we wouldve found more "successful" seasons in both football and basketball
Wins matter and even this years basketball team wouldve found more success in the ACC all things being equal because it is a major conference that is just more "on our level" unless we make some changes
The arguement is not with me. We 100% agree. Status quo is failing miserably....it is with the 95% of the population who doesn't care about RU sports. You and I know what it takes to be successful. It is about a politician being elected. It will be very difficult to have a conversation about lowering taxes without talking about cutting expenses. I think Greg Schiano is the highest paid NJ employee. He isn't keeping people safe. He isn't making people smarter. He is coaching a game.
I fully expect the next AD to try and find the right price point and monetize the prime basketball seats. I am expecting my seats to go from $2,100 to $3,100. There will be a risk of going to high and lose a ton of fans, especially in a down year. The risk isn't 2025-26...it is 2006-2027.
We all will agree there is a price point to compete in basketball. If you aren't willing to approach it you are going to fail 90%+ of the time. If you aren't going to try then it makes no sense to continue to lose as much money as we are and be an embarassment on the court/field.
Who wins in 2025 in the gubernatorial race and what the campaign topics are could determine the path of RU sports. I can tell you right now if Elon Musk was in charge he would tell the RU president a dime is not to be lost on sports. It would be short sighted....
I know the $ coming in improves in the future, but if numbers I see are right we lost $70,000,000 in the athletic department. This is the department that oversees games. To add $70,000,000 becomes $90,000,000 when we pay players to keep up with other schools.
One year fixes don't guarantee anything
We had $3 million in 2 players here and failed
Bac
I am not suggesting that they do... but if you're on the side that success is required before any fan support aka $ exists its just not realistic in this climate
I can tell you with a fair amount of confidence that 80% of those schools will be at least competitive if not in the same position next year (maybe not college football playoff but ranked and winning 8-9 games in football and firmly in the tournament next year)
I would take those odds over a 10% chance of achieving something on a hopes and dreams budget and then deciding if i should donate after the fact
Rutgers could use a DOGE like purge.
The State of New Jersey really needs a DOGE like purge,
Why does anyone think the Athletic Dept should be $$$$$$$ positive?
Unrealistic.
What is the objective of the AD:
- Is the goal to make the most revenue? Then obviously the Big Ten is the best conference.
- Is the goal to win and be competitive? An argument could be made the ACC or AAC would bea better level. ACC and AAC teams make the CBB tournament and new CFP tournament. There is longer a barrier to entry for CFB to compete for national championships.
What's the point of all that money if we're not winning? Just to say we get it?
The problem is people compare Rutgers as a bottom tier Big Ten program against a bottom tier ACC/AAC.
They just assume we would be Seton Hall for some weird reason.
The comparison is bottom tier Big Ten against a mid-upper tier ACC/AAC.
Not sure why people assume Rutgers (with all it's advantages) wouldn't be successful in an easier league.
When is the last time Rutgers was really success in any of it's leagues though? We weren't good in the Frankenstein AAC.
There were 8 football teams below us in the standings in 2024-- so I guess those"bottom teir" teams would also be better off in the ACC?? Insane theory. Some talk about the loser mentality around here ,this whole ACC theory is the supreme example of a loser.
So could virtually every university, with or without sports.
exactly this
attendence would be similar for football for games vs Clemson/Syracuse/No Carolina than they would be for Michigan/Maryland/Iowa yet not physically getting beat up each week and not overmatched program wise by behometh programs with all kinds of cash and facilities and large fanbases. Offers a shot to compete and still go to bowls..mind you RU is still going to lowest level bowls in the Big 10.
for hoops the ACC has sunk in recent years...yet still offers the opportunity for schools to contend for bids beyond the Dukes and UNCs of the world...schools like Wake, Pitt, SMU are examples and while even all 3 wont go they put themselves in position. No reasons RU could not be at that level.
The money thing means nothing because its pier based, if everyone else in the Big 10 has all the advantages and are making the same money with larger donating fanbase then RU is still the lowest in hoops and football along with Northwestern. Rutgers has some sick allegienc to Greg as if he is god and 6-6 seasons are successful. Rutgers had a horrific AD who handed out ridiculous extensions not to mention ****ing one of his coaches....which is par for the course for decision making with ADs going back about 17 years now.
Winning matters whether its in the Big 10 or ACC. The names on the jersey are not bringing people out, its wins and losses and you will see that with declining hoops attendance at the rac next season
I think those who are using it as an example are citing the fact they see no hope for our fan base to contribute in a meaningful way or for the university and state to step up in meaningful way to compete in the big 10
Can you see that perspective? I would never want to be in the acc but I feel a sense of dread just on this board that nobody wants to pony up a penny
I often wonder on these things if the "anonymous donor" match isn't just coming from the organization themselves and it is just a tool to get folks motivated to donate. I'm not shooting it down and I hope there is really someone out there looking to give Ru $750k if the rest give $250k. (or am I interpreting the offer wrong?)
reality is its an incredibly tiny fanbase, it just is...no one wants to admit it and no one wanted to admit it when we joined the Big 10
bashing of fans here for not giving but not acknowledging we only have about 5K fans actually giving is why this is hopeless. Unless RU is courting some sort of big time company or CEOs to drop tons of cash here, our wittle fanbase isnt going to be able to accomplish jackshit
The difference with Indiana sucking for years in football is that they had a rich incredible hoops history. The opposite true for Penn State with respect to hoops and football. Does anyone truly think Indiana will have sustained success in football
The best comparisons were Purdue and Northwestern but the Painter hire put Purdues hoops on the map in a way never before so RU basically is a Northwestern in both hoops and football. Every conference needs a bottom feeder with little fanbase.
Perhaps.
If their objective is to win then sure the conversation would be reasonable.
It's obviously not a 1 year discussion.
What's the outlook for Purdue football over the next 10 years? Are they sitting on some boatload of funding and last year is an anamoly?
MLB is constantly having the discussion "Is this team trying to win or are the owners happynjust collecting checks and losing?"
If direct rivals (other Big Ten teams) have double(?) the revenue to spend - then a conversation about level setting to a conference with teams operating on a similar level isn't crazy.
All those Boise State and ASU fans didn't seem very upset they weren't getting Big Ten money in the CFP.
Is it about money or about winning?
Note: I think Rutgers can be competitive in the Big Ten despite the money gap. I believe (perhaps foolishly) that we can be smarter and operate better than the top of the Big Ten with less money.
What?? According to your " loaer mentality" about RU no one should be attending any RU sports but they are including yourself. If it's not a team name on the jersey and only wins matter , why aren't you rooting for someone else who " wins". Maybe you are,often seems that way? Your allegiance to the school you attended means alot to those that have loyalty to the school they a or their kids attended . Sure wins matter but the attitude you espouse blows. Did you actually graduate RU,?
Dont kid yourself. The same people who only contribute with their mouths would be doing the same,in whatever league we were in or the number of wins we have. Excuses.By the way there are people who contribute on this board and many who are not. The truth be told this board may have a good number of members but inconsequential to the number who actually give. I think that number is almost 40000 to 50000.
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