This guy is #1 on my wish list for 2019. I love his game....very smooth and a great shooter.
Rutgers watching Massoud in Dallas
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Hope for a repeat of the Montez Mathis recruitment...follow him all spring and summer and hope it pays off in the end.
The more impressive the player usually results in elite schools getting more interested .
Some coaches are better at finding diamonds in the rough (i.e. Baker). He was pretty impressive this year.
Yeah. Geo Baker played like a solid four star recruit this year.
Add this incoming class with two four stars plus Kiss and Johnson, and I am really excited about this upcoming season.
I do say and elite schools getting involved usually means a bad omen for Rutgers.
Again, I understand. Is Pike not supposed to recruit players who may be good enough for some out of our league competition?
My concern isn't Pikiell who is doing a outstanding job but rather some fans with unrealistic expectations in regard to recruiting.
Wonder if it is a case of having one spot for Massoud or Hyatt
Think we need a 4 or 5 with the other open ship for class of 2019
Think we need a 4 or 5 with the other open ship for class of 2019
Myles Johnson redshirted for a reason....he has 4 seasons left...you can skip a big for the 2019 class and get one in 2020...if you are lucky enough to get Hyatt and Massoud/Mulcahy/Winston/Coulibaly you run and hide... Coulibaly would be your PF or "big"....
I agree but does leave us thin then needing either a stud freshman who can come right in and play or a grad transfer. Always could be transfers out as well. The playing time and veteran backcourt at that point should make Rutgers attractive though. Could maybe see some Nathan in a pinch if injuries hit the bigs
Typically, I think you should probably have 5 Bigs on your roster...that's PF and Center. In 2019 we will only have:
Seniors: Eugene, Carter,
Junior: Duke
Sophomore: Johnson.
Not much of a cushion if there is foul trouble and Duke is very foul prone. An injury means we are playing a walk-in or going small.
Well, if years 2 and 3 of the Pikiell era is a good gauge, it's 5 bigs. This past year it was Five----Duke, Doorson, Sa, Freeman and Eugene.
Next year it's Five--- Doorson, Johnson, Duke, Carter and Eugene.
4 or 5.....we will know in about 7 months.
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I don’t know about that
Even if Harper becomes the true stretch four ...for 19-20 we have
Eugene O (sr)
Carter. (Sr)
Douxoure (Jr)
Johnson (so)
Harper (so)
With two out five seniors ...think you want one in the class of 2019...to have three returning and the frosh who will be a soph
Hate the idea of only three returning ...one injury and one frosh not being ready to play away from being thin ....at a time where we may thinking NCAA
I don’t know about that
Even if Harper becomes the true stretch four ...for 19-20 we have
Eugene O (sr)
Carter. (Sr)
Douxoure (Jr)
Johnson (so)
Harper (so)
With two out five seniors ...think you want one in the class of 2019...to have three returning and the frosh who will be a soph
Hate the idea of only three returning ...one injury and one frosh not being ready to play away from being thin ....at a time where we may thinking NCAA
Last time I checked, no one makes ties my shoelaces, pays my bills, or even dresses me every morning. I think that whatever expectations I may have, will be either satisfied, or not. But, it won't ruin my day. My point RUJMM78, is that we are all big boys here, and if we would like to hope for the best outcome it is our right to do so. So, though I do appreciate the "concern" you may have for my feelings, please keep them to your self.
BTW, not much of a winner are you? Winners, set high goals, and then go out to achieve them. They don't always succeed, but they try........
Even with a hobbled Williams and zero depth at guard Coach P played 3 guards (Sanders, Baker and Williams) almost 25% of the time. We also played with Freeman and Eugene as our only bigs 25% of the time.
As long as a lineup can rebound and defend Coach P will play it. I wouldn't be surprised next season to see lineups we haven't contemplated. I wouldn't be shocked to see Baker, Mathis, Kiss, Thiam and Carter as a lineup. Or Baker, McConnell, Harper, Eugene and Myles. Or , or, or. No one came in to this season viewing Eugene as a player who could give us 25 mpg as a "big". Things change with this coach.
As long as a lineup can rebound and defend Coach P will play it. I wouldn't be surprised next season to see lineups we haven't contemplated. I wouldn't be shocked to see Baker, Mathis, Kiss, Thiam and Carter as a lineup. Or Baker, McConnell, Harper, Eugene and Myles. Or , or, or. No one came in to this season viewing Eugene as a player who could give us 25 mpg as a "big". Things change with this coach.
Yes, Freeman and Eugene ended quite a few games on the floor together, but, I think a lot of that was due to the alternative. To be very blunt....some of the other options were not very productive last year. In the previous year, Getty's was a good option at Center so he ended games on the court.
I agree, Pikiell will have a lot of lineup options. He can go small, Big or use a traditional 1-5 lineup.
I agree, Pikiell will have a lot of lineup options. He can go small, Big or use a traditional 1-5 lineup.
I would not call Freeman and Eugene as "bigs".....so the last 2 years of the roster has nothing to do with what the staff may go forward with...i would also factor in Jack Nathan as a walk on big, who is reportedly going to redshirt this coming season, so he would be your other "big"....
There's taking a long look at Coulibaly as a PF in the 2019 class but i would not expect to see a lot of lineups with Myles Johnson and Doucoure on the court for extended periods of time, if you get Hyatt and somehow landed Massoud...at that point, there wouldn't be much need for another big, and you match up better against what teams are trending towards.
The Issac Haas type of big is not as much of an issue as the Moritz Wagner, Michael Finke, Leron Black, Jordan Murphy bigs that can post, but have ability to shoot, pass and make plays away from the paint.....add Luke Garza (Iowa) as a 6'10" stretch PF/C....who is more apt to shoot a 15 footer as he is a post up hook.
Carter, Doucoure, Johnson and Nathan are your true PF/C or bigs after this coming season....if you want to include Eugene in that equation at 6'7", then i view Hyatt as a SF and stretch PF if you have Massoud/Harper at 6'8 and 6'6" respectively......i view the forwards as being able to rebound, Harper, Thiam and hopefully Hyatt,.Massoud, etc....
There's taking a long look at Coulibaly as a PF in the 2019 class but i would not expect to see a lot of lineups with Myles Johnson and Doucoure on the court for extended periods of time, if you get Hyatt and somehow landed Massoud...at that point, there wouldn't be much need for another big, and you match up better against what teams are trending towards.
The Issac Haas type of big is not as much of an issue as the Moritz Wagner, Michael Finke, Leron Black, Jordan Murphy bigs that can post, but have ability to shoot, pass and make plays away from the paint.....add Luke Garza (Iowa) as a 6'10" stretch PF/C....who is more apt to shoot a 15 footer as he is a post up hook.
Carter, Doucoure, Johnson and Nathan are your true PF/C or bigs after this coming season....if you want to include Eugene in that equation at 6'7", then i view Hyatt as a SF and stretch PF if you have Massoud/Harper at 6'8 and 6'6" respectively......i view the forwards as being able to rebound, Harper, Thiam and hopefully Hyatt,.Massoud, etc....
Honestly, I hope we get weird with the lineups. We're improving the talent but it's obviously not at the level of a lot of other Big Ten teams. Do some different things, cause matchup problems. Issa Thiam in the post? Sure. A four-guard set? Why not.
To make a cross-sport comparison, look at what the service academies do in football. They can't get the talent that other schools do so they run unique offenses that are hard to gameplan for.
To make a cross-sport comparison, look at what the service academies do in football. They can't get the talent that other schools do so they run unique offenses that are hard to gameplan for.
I think it’s a little different and the talent differential we will have by 2019 shouldn’t be overwhelming. Look at the two games we played against Michigan State and how we came back strong against Purdue at the RAC. And playing Indiana in the big 10 tourney versus how we played them at the RAC. And that was last season.
Pikiell has a variety of defenses and a nice ability to change up mid game and adjust to what’s working. I don’t think we need a triple option type game plan to win in big 10 hoops. We are closing in the competition right now.
What’s needed is what I’ve called the Michigan model because it’s what Belien does year in and year out. Recruit shooters who play aggressive defense and hit the 3 point shot. Imo, they need to move the 3 point line back and make it a tougher shot worthy of 3 points.
I hear ya... but I'd like for us to actually look like we can hit a 3 before they start moving it back, lol... back in the day a good shooter heating up at the RAC used to blow the roof off the place.
We have a lot of 3 point shooters now and if we get Hyatt and Massoud, we are really loaded up. It’s a shame about Mulcahy. I do not think anyone worked harder than Pikiell on his recruiting. I respect Pikiell for turning the page and taking Young. I truly thought Paul wanted to come to Rutgers but so be it.
Nothing yet, he's just assuming that we're not getting him because we went with what seems like a Plan B to some people in Young, and board chatter now seems to assume Mulcahy will head to a bigger name school.
We took Young. Only reason you burn a ship for one year to play two is that you’ve hired your point guard. At some point you put you balls on the table and say we want you but if you don’t say yes, I’m taking another kid. Parks closed now.
That's just an assumption, lets wait to see how it plays out. Maybe Mulcahy does go somewhere else, but since Pike just had an in home visit with him I would think we are still very interested. Unless Mulcahy said he wasn't interested anymore, but all this is just assumptions.
This was in reference to a post about needing to use the 2019 open spot on a big. If we don't we will lose Shaq and Eugene and be thin even if you count Harper as a big
I don’t mind Pikes being aggressive though if he did turn up the heat on Paul but basically said if you are not sure then don’t commit. If you are waiting for other offers it just means Rutgers is not your first choice and we don’t need another Mac Maclung.
Don’t think I didn’t want Mulcahy as I was hoping that was ready to commit. But we are a school that needs leaders and players who are ready to take on that role. Maybe he’s not looking for the world to be on his shoulders? We have plenty of talent now but the pg is the critical position.
Don’t think I didn’t want Mulcahy as I was hoping that was ready to commit. But we are a school that needs leaders and players who are ready to take on that role. Maybe he’s not looking for the world to be on his shoulders? We have plenty of talent now but the pg is the critical position.
With several players that still had eligibility opting for the NBA draft, The Nova has lots of openings left, and can offer PT to recruits.
Unless they have had a sudden flurry of signings.
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Unless they have had a sudden flurry of signings.
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No one is writing off Mulcahy other than a few posters that view Young as some 4 year PG...he is still a priority but because we have Young committed and he's another guard that will be on the roster in 2019, fans are viewing this as some sort of "Mulcahy isn't available as an option".
I find this as strange because a player that at a max is here for only 2 seasons on the court is some sort of hurdle for Mulcahy but every other program recruiting him apparently has no depth or guards, i suppose...
I didnt see these posts when McConnell committed a week ago, when he is on target to be here 3 out of the 4 potential years that Mulcahy would be, but suddenly taking Young is some sort of "he's not an option"...
To clarify, it is my opinion that we took Peter Kiss last spring, while in full speed recruitment of Montez Mathis....i view that as "smart, in case you don't get Mathis"....
I view this springs recruitment (& replacement of Souf and Bullock) of McConnell and Young as "smart, while in full speed recruitment of Paul Mulcahy.
I do believe that similar to Mathis getting a potential Kansas offer being a game changer, that Mulcahy landing a Notre Dame or Villanova type of offer the same thing...It's just smart to not go blindly with no other options secured if you are RU....
I find this as strange because a player that at a max is here for only 2 seasons on the court is some sort of hurdle for Mulcahy but every other program recruiting him apparently has no depth or guards, i suppose...
I didnt see these posts when McConnell committed a week ago, when he is on target to be here 3 out of the 4 potential years that Mulcahy would be, but suddenly taking Young is some sort of "he's not an option"...
To clarify, it is my opinion that we took Peter Kiss last spring, while in full speed recruitment of Montez Mathis....i view that as "smart, in case you don't get Mathis"....
I view this springs recruitment (& replacement of Souf and Bullock) of McConnell and Young as "smart, while in full speed recruitment of Paul Mulcahy.
I do believe that similar to Mathis getting a potential Kansas offer being a game changer, that Mulcahy landing a Notre Dame or Villanova type of offer the same thing...It's just smart to not go blindly with no other options secured if you are RU....
