Schiano II would be like Pete Carroll at USC
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don't be ridiculous. who is rutgers going to hire that has conference chamipionships or bcs bowl appearances?
they will come his second go round.
It's hard to tell what a young coach's ceiling is. Coaches get better as they age, and especially better in that 40-50 age range where they are still going to have energy but have the wisdom from enough experience. That's the schiano we're going for .
Schiano was 1 game over .500 here. He failed in the NFL. Yes, he built the program up quite a bit from what it was. But he also had gone as far as he could go.
We can do a lot better if we spend enough money. If we don't spend enough money, then we can expect about the same results we got w/our current staff.
If the school wants to actually have a profitable football program, it's going to have to pony up a huge amount of money (like 15MM) to get a staff that has (a) the name recognition to greatly improve recruiting regardless of having no connections w/NJ and (b) the ability to consistently compete with the majority of the teams in our conference.
Otherwise, we're going to continue to spend a ton of money, as we do now, without improving on our record from last season. We have to win. And we have to win quickly. To win quickly against our current competition requires a very large up-front investment.
There are no shortcuts to consistent success for us besides spending a huge amount of money. Everything else is just wishful thinking.
We can do a lot better if we spend enough money. If we don't spend enough money, then we can expect about the same results we got w/our current staff.
If the school wants to actually have a profitable football program, it's going to have to pony up a huge amount of money (like 15MM) to get a staff that has (a) the name recognition to greatly improve recruiting regardless of having no connections w/NJ and (b) the ability to consistently compete with the majority of the teams in our conference.
Otherwise, we're going to continue to spend a ton of money, as we do now, without improving on our record from last season. We have to win. And we have to win quickly. To win quickly against our current competition requires a very large up-front investment.
There are no shortcuts to consistent success for us besides spending a huge amount of money. Everything else is just wishful thinking.
Stop with the one game over .500 crap. He inherited one of the worst teams in the country... I think we were 116th or 118th He put us on the freaking map. The program was dead when Shea was canned. Schiano did a hell of a job. Bring him back and get an offensive guru to support him.
Many players hated him along with many of the front office people. Unfortunately that is the reputation he has. Maybe it not deserved but that what it is.
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mildone -- why not $20 million? or $25? There's the same chance the administration is going to spend that kind of money. And do I get a guarantee this coach will beat Maier, Harbaugh, Dantonio consistently? Take a break.
I keep hearing we should be going for National Championships. Now. What are you all smoking?? What happened to walking before you run?
I'm still waiting for the name (or if I take you people at your word: names). Where is this magical coach -- at ANY price?
Why can't we just try to stop the foundering ship from sinking, and then worry about making it the Queen Mary?
I haven't heard too much negativity about what Schiano would do in the short term, and rightly so. He's had failure in the NFL, but hasn't Saban? What about Johnson at Miami? And on and on.
But he's also had success at the college level -- at arguably the worst football program in the country. Think about that. Enough success that someone bet $millions he would make a pro HC.
We're not talking guaranteeing him 10 years. Coaches can be fired. Two/three years into a contract, extension talk comes up and we'll have a pretty good idea.
We're talking about bailing out the water and righting the ship. Who else in the price range is a better candidate. Honestly.
I keep hearing we should be going for National Championships. Now. What are you all smoking?? What happened to walking before you run?
I'm still waiting for the name (or if I take you people at your word: names). Where is this magical coach -- at ANY price?
Why can't we just try to stop the foundering ship from sinking, and then worry about making it the Queen Mary?
I haven't heard too much negativity about what Schiano would do in the short term, and rightly so. He's had failure in the NFL, but hasn't Saban? What about Johnson at Miami? And on and on.
But he's also had success at the college level -- at arguably the worst football program in the country. Think about that. Enough success that someone bet $millions he would make a pro HC.
We're not talking guaranteeing him 10 years. Coaches can be fired. Two/three years into a contract, extension talk comes up and we'll have a pretty good idea.
We're talking about bailing out the water and righting the ship. Who else in the price range is a better candidate. Honestly.
Yeah, except no offensive guru wants to work with him because he's a control freak. He did a hell of a job except he peaked. He's not the guy to take us to the next level.
Yeah, coaches can be fired. But firing coaches every couple/few years will not produce the desired results.
We can't predict the future. So anything could happen. But it's pretty damn unusual to see the same inputs produce a different output. We're going to get what we pay for.
I think that, for 2.5MM per year for the HC and crap salaries for the rest of the staff, we'll be getting 7-6 and 8-5 seasons in our good years, with some off years where we're lucky to get to a bowl game. Which will not substantially improve recruiting. Which will not sell out the stadium regularly. Which will not make the program self-sustaining, let along profitable.
While I'd like to see us win a NC, I can live with 8-5 seasons. The question is, can everybody else here live with it? Based on the constant whining and complaining in our last 8-5 season, I'd guess not. And for those who think they'd complain less if we lost but at least the games were closer, I'd remind you of how you felt when we lost the nail-biter to Fresno State in the wee hours of the morning.
In what universe did Schiano, at Rutgers, have the same resources and recruiting cache and tradition that Pete Carroll did at USC?
@Scarlet Shack won this thread.
Not one person disputed his points.
Greg Schiano is the right coach for this program right now. To restore honor, fix the defense, fix recruiting.
Not one person disputed his points.
Greg Schiano is the right coach for this program right now. To restore honor, fix the defense, fix recruiting.
Rutgers should aim much higher.
GS isn't a championship coach.
Rutgers let him hang around Piscataway for 12 full years. In return, he produced:
67-66 - overall record
28-48 - conference record
0-11 vs. West Virginia
0 conference championships
0 BCS Bowl Games
1 Top 25 final ranking
His OOC schedules were among the SOFTEST and WEAKEST in D-1A
Schiano failed at TB, gong 11-21.
He is a below average game coach. B1G coaches would outshine him.
GS isn't a championship coach.
Rutgers let him hang around Piscataway for 12 full years. In return, he produced:
67-66 - overall record
28-48 - conference record
0-11 vs. West Virginia
0 conference championships
0 BCS Bowl Games
1 Top 25 final ranking
His OOC schedules were among the SOFTEST and WEAKEST in D-1A
Schiano failed at TB, gong 11-21.
He is a below average game coach. B1G coaches would outshine him.
People thought Carroll was a clown after he was fired by the Jets and Patriots. What people forgot was that he was an excellent NFL defensive coordinator. Only Belichick is a comparable secondary coach. The most important thing is that Carroll learned from his failures as a head coach. He was a better coach at USC than he was with the Jets and Patriots. He's probably a better coach in Seattle than he was at USC.
I'm with you all the Brother. He can come in and immediately move the needle. Can't say that about some of the others mentioned.
Pete Carroll would never succeed at Rutgers.
USC is interested in winning. They aren't interested investigating coaches and programs at the expense of winning or suspending players unfairly and wrongly.
Schools that win big have that as a singular goal. At USC there are signs everywhere that state, "We Play for Championships." At Rutgers, that would be offensive now.
USC is interested in winning. They aren't interested investigating coaches and programs at the expense of winning or suspending players unfairly and wrongly.
Schools that win big have that as a singular goal. At USC there are signs everywhere that state, "We Play for Championships." At Rutgers, that would be offensive now.
Schiano II would be very unlikely to be like Pete Carroll at USC. Why? Because Pete Carroll had all of four seasons under his belt as a head coach when he got to USC. Schiano's been a head coach for thirteen years. They're at different points on the learning curve. As relates to that theory that says it takes ten thousand hours at something to become an expert, Carroll hadn't hit the mark yet when he arrived at USC. Schiano's well past that milestone. Most likely, what you've seen is what you're going to get. Is it impossible that he'll suddenly get much better and be a different coach in a second go around? No, Does it ever happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen? I wouldn't bet on it. It's like when you get new job, you're probably going to see the most improvement in the first few months to the first few years. It's unlikely for your job performance to take a quantum leap at the thirteen year mark.
Schiano is a tough and demanding SOB, who gets the best out of people.for every critic, there are many others who were satisfied with their experience.
We don't need the football coach to be the players friend.
Plus, the comment about Cuba was meant to be complimentary. There were always beautiful women around, and there was a wonderful health care system within the Bucs organization under schiano.
I know a lot of the people that worked for him. While they weren't always happy with his style of management, they did respect him. He demanded perfection from everyone on his staff and didn't tolerate lateness or excuses. His attitude was, if you work hard and get the job done, you'll fit in. If not, pack your bag and get out. If you made it, you and a solid line item on your resume.
Pete Carroll capitalized on the brand equity that USC already had, which enabled him to recruit the best recruits in the country. Not to mention that USC some of the finest facilities money can buy. Finally, USC was in the Pac 12 and gets to play Notre Dame every year. Schiano built Rutgers brand equity and program from scratch, and built competitive facilities. People like Greg Brown donated thx to Schiano too.
With Rutgers now in the B1G, Schiano will better capitalize on recruiting opportunities, this time around, and will be able to get donors to pony up to continuously improve our facilities. That's why hiring Schiano to me is a no brainer.
There is a lot to like and dislike about Schiano.
dislike
- Seemed like he topped out while he was here
- prick to work/play for
- might think he's bigger than the program
- lots of WTF games
- never won the conference when he was here
OTOH
- Coaches can get better, and often do after working a couple of jobs.
- no one will outwork him
- Whatever flaws his resume has, we're likely not getting a better one for our budget
- we likely know his floor, and it's not so bad. He won't be a potential huge bust like some up and coming names might be.
If you're a bit risk adverse I can see the draw. Maybe the chances of really taking the next step are a bit lower (perceived ceiling as a coach, like Wanny), but the downside is also likely lower.
dislike
- Seemed like he topped out while he was here
- prick to work/play for
- might think he's bigger than the program
- lots of WTF games
- never won the conference when he was here
OTOH
- Coaches can get better, and often do after working a couple of jobs.
- no one will outwork him
- Whatever flaws his resume has, we're likely not getting a better one for our budget
- we likely know his floor, and it's not so bad. He won't be a potential huge bust like some up and coming names might be.
If you're a bit risk adverse I can see the draw. Maybe the chances of really taking the next step are a bit lower (perceived ceiling as a coach, like Wanny), but the downside is also likely lower.
My God with the talk of National Championships.
We need a guy who can simply repour the cement, not build a 3rd story addition!
We need a guy who can simply repour the cement, not build a 3rd story addition!
Don't know if this was posted yesterday, but if a HOF NFL coach can give GS props, I sure as hell would think he's capable:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...chiano-for-patriots-tech-shift-with-playbooks
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...chiano-for-patriots-tech-shift-with-playbooks
I ask a simple question.
Who else could we hire who has all these conference championships you guys keep talking about?
Who else could we hire who has all these conference championships you guys keep talking about?
It is not a matter of being friends, it is a matter of not enjoying your college experience.
I'm not going to get into what any players think of Greg, I'm going to talk more about the realistic thought that Greg would come here for the money we are willing to spend and if he would do so under Julie and our current administration.
Are you out of your freaking mind!!! In what world does Greg do this?
Now, if in some strange world, Greg decides he want to nullify his $3milllion (Florida tax) and take 2.5(NJ tax)- work for Julie and a school that won't support him like the first time around...and understand that the fanbase will not accept anything but top 20 recruiting and rankings...then he would be the best option. No other qualified HC would take this job under those restrictions.
BTW- if BB loves him so much...Greg should have a spot on the NE staff waiting for him.
Are you out of your freaking mind!!! In what world does Greg do this?
Now, if in some strange world, Greg decides he want to nullify his $3milllion (Florida tax) and take 2.5(NJ tax)- work for Julie and a school that won't support him like the first time around...and understand that the fanbase will not accept anything but top 20 recruiting and rankings...then he would be the best option. No other qualified HC would take this job under those restrictions.
BTW- if BB loves him so much...Greg should have a spot on the NE staff waiting for him.
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Yes gets it.
This job, as is, is Flood level. If it isn't him, it is another Flood.
This job, as is, is Flood level. If it isn't him, it is another Flood.
