Schiano II would be like Pete Carroll at USC

[MADHAT1]

chiano achived

Not sure who hates him. I don't hate him. But I don't particularly want him back either.

I want us to find and pay whatever it takes to get someone with a proven track record of consistently winning big games against great competition. And if that person isn't out there right now, I want us to behave intelligently and not emotionally and be patient until that person is available. By consistently, I mean at least .500 against ranked teams.

Schiano is not that person. He was great at building the program and he'd be a great D-coord. But he avoided hard competition and didn't have a great track record against great competition. He recruited better than Flood, but that's not raising the bar nearly high enough.

And while many RU fans may think highly of him, people outside the RU world mostly do not think much of him at all - meaning they never think of him. Which means he's not capable of taking recruiting to the next level based solely on his name. He might recruit better than Flood, but not well enough to start consistently competing on a level field with the top teams in the B1G.

Thinking a guy that couldn't beat W. Virginia in all those years and whose claim to recruiting fame is that's he's better than Flood is going to somehow magically put RU on the map in top tier college FB is wishful thinking - not sound analysis.

So yeah, I don't hate Schiano at all. I actually like the guy for what he's accomplished. But I want RU to use sound analysis to hire Flood's replacement and not familiarity-biased wishful thinking.

As far as Greg coming back, though I appreciate everything he did for RU FB in the time he was
at Rutgers, he's not the right man for the job now.
Building a respected program is what he did best., taking it to the next level he couldn't manage to do while he was the RU FB HC .
For the salary it would take to bring him back, don't think it's worth the gamble because RU doesn't need to be resurrected from the dead, but moved up to the upper tier of College Football.
Right now it's middle tier and might be lower end of that .
I think Greg could get RU back into the upper middle tier , but probably not make RU one of the top B1G East programs and that's the type of program RU should be in my opinion.

As for hating ( disliking Schiano) you can tell those who do by the way they build up moderately successful coaches in their effort to make Schiano look like he was incompetent while the RU FB HC and add his time as the Buc's HC as proof. Even though he took over a underachieving team and his replacement isn't making it any better than how it played under Greg.

As for not being thought of, seems his name gets mentioned in most of the major college programs search for HCs or possible replacements for HCs on the hot-seat.
Schiano's name is still respected out there as a College HC, pro HC not so much, as a pro DC: probably on teams short list when he decides to go back to work.

 

[bethlehemfan]

So you would advocate throwing a 6mm number out to a guy like Gary Patterson from tcu? Do you think that is realistic?

 

[derleider]

The one we pay well enough. You get what you pay for. It's pretty hard to claim with any kind of certainty that anybody else we hire is going to consistently do much better than Flood did last season. I mean, people can claim it, but there's no evidence to support it which makes it's wishful thinking. Which was my point.

We can pay 2.5MM for wishful thinking. Or we can pay 6MM for sound analysis. Some good coaches out there making 4MM or so. Some of them might be convinced to move for 5 or 6MM. Do we want to win or do we want to keep screwing around?

IMO, 2.5MM has very low odds of producing the results we'd all like to see. Low enough so as to mostly not be worth doing at this point.

This is a very unreaslitic goal. A top 25 coach is going to get $5 million minimum - and likely isnt going to go anywhere because his current team will pony up, or some team with more money than RU and more chance of winning historically will. This is a huge thing that people ignore. If Nick Saban came on the market, RU would never get him, even if Bernie Marcus dropped his entire fortune on the team, because someone else even richer at a more successful school would outbid us.

I think you are very wrong though. $2.5-$3.5 million gets you a solid P5 coach, or a better than solid one that washed out. Rich Rod, Mike Leach, Tupperville come to mind. Jim McElwain, who took over at Florida, will make $3.5 million. Chris Peterson is making $3.2 million this year.

When you get below $2 million, then you are probably talking about basically taking a throwing a dart mentality - basically no better than Flood. If we get down to the end of the season and you start hearing no name ACs and flavor o the Month MAC HCs being floated, be worried.

But above $4 million and I think we get into Winners Curse territory - where we will have to skimp in other aspects of the program (recruiting budget, assistants, facilities, marketing) in order to afford the guy, thus making him less effective than hiring someone slightly worse for slightly less money (with more to spend on the ancilary stuff.)

So yes - basically - if RU can't afford to spend $2.5-$3.5 million, then there isnt much point of switching other than PR to make it seem like you care about winning and losing.

 

[Mike from MD]

Plus he would get the chopper back!

The coaching staff still uses the chopper.

 

[NickKnight 1]

I don't hate Schiano either, but I would hate to have him back.

 

[Scarlet16E]

The coaching staff still uses the chopper.

Liberty Helicopters has not been a sponsor featured on SK.com, radio broadcasts, or the in-stadium scoreboards for years. The Helicopter deal was free use in exchange for advertising. Without no ads it's obvious we no longer user the chopper.
Plus I have never seen a tweet to the effect of "Coach Flood just landed his chopper on my HS fotball field!!!!"

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Rosy retrospection refers to the finding that subjects later rate past events more positively than they had actually rated them when the event occurred, reminiscent of the Latin phrase memoria praeteritorum bonorum ("The memory of the good pasts").

The effect appears to be stronger[clarification needed] with moderately pleasant events and is usually explained as a result of minor annoyances and dislikes "fading" from memory dramatically faster than positive situations.

A related idiom, to "see through rose-tinted glasses", means a perception of a situation or a past event in an over-positive way, not noticing or recalling undesirable or negative aspects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Liberty Helicopters has not been a sponsor featured on SK.com, radio broadcasts, or the in-stadium scoreboards for years. The Helicopter deal was free use in exchange for advertising. Without no ads it's obvious we no longer user the chopper.
Plus I have never seen a tweet to the effect of "Coach Flood just landed his chopper on my HS fotball field!!!!"

http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/kyle-flood-has-helicopter-and-james-franklin-would-one-also

 

[Scarlet16E]

http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/kyle-flood-has-helicopter-and-james-franklin-would-one-also

OK I stand corrected.

 

[mildone]

This is a very unreaslitic goal. A top 25 coach is going to get $5 million minimum - and likely isnt going to go anywhere because his current team will pony up, or some team with more money than RU and more chance of winning historically will. This is a huge thing that people ignore. If Nick Saban came on the market, RU would never get him, even if Bernie Marcus dropped his entire fortune on the team, because someone else even richer at a more successful school would outbid us.

I think you are very wrong though. $2.5-$3.5 million gets you a solid P5 coach, or a better than solid one that washed out. Rich Rod, Mike Leach, Tupperville come to mind. Jim McElwain, who took over at Florida, will make $3.5 million. Chris Peterson is making $3.2 million this year.

When you get below $2 million, then you are probably talking about basically taking a throwing a dart mentality - basically no better than Flood. If we get down to the end of the season and you start hearing no name ACs and flavor o the Month MAC HCs being floated, be worried.

But above $4 million and I think we get into Winners Curse territory - where we will have to skimp in other aspects of the program (recruiting budget, assistants, facilities, marketing) in order to afford the guy, thus making him less effective than hiring someone slightly worse for slightly less money (with more to spend on the ancilary stuff.)

So yes - basically - if RU can't afford to spend $2.5-$3.5 million, then there isnt much point of switching other than PR to make it seem like you care about winning and losing.

You may be right and RU spending over 3.5 millions is pretty unrealistic.

But I think if we want to be an elite program, which I would love to see, that we're going to have to spend an elite amount of money. We may have different ideas of what under-spending is, but we're in agreement that under-spending just for the sake of change is probably going to be counter-productive.

I just wish more people would think beyond the firing of Flood and realize that.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Just because some would not like him back, it does not mean we don't respect what he did to bring the program to where it is and possibly even do somewhat better his 2nd time around.

We just don't feel he is the solution we need at this time and there is no proof that he could step up to this conference. No proof he can't either but that is not what we would want for what he would cost.

Plus, coaching for Admin is not the same as it was when he was here before.

I'm almost laughing with this conversation. Julie "Greg, I've noticed our air conditioning bill is through the roof. Under new policy, you can no longer keep the meeting rooms at 58. New minimum is 72. Thank you for understanding that Greg."

 

[qban29]

hahaahahahahahaha, Al stop it! hahahahaha. We are keeping our coach! I support Coach Flood. now just stop all this talk. moving on..... See you soon buddy, maybe tomorrow.

 

[50 yd line RR]

Here is the problem we all have seen Schiano has many warts but for most neophytes that is all they know. Shea-Graber era was a direct result of an incompetent AD; dear old F#ck-it-up Fred Grunninger . Any half decent coach could have brought us back to 50% wins. And yes he did. But we all know he is not the next step in Rutgers development of a power team. TO DO THAT WE MUST STEP ABOVE Schiano level of coaching or to better put it' lack there of level of schiano's abilities.
We now we have a real AD (not some golf coach doing double duty) who does this type of selection for a living.
BUT Many here do not like our foot-in-mouth AD for many varying reasons.
For Rutgers to compete in the B1G against the liked of the coaches in the Eastern division, we must move up a level or two or 3 or 4 for a coach who can recruit/coach/develop talent at the level of Meyer/Harbaugh/Mark D'.
Other then Kelly not too many names have come up. And I agree "THAT COACH" may not be available at this time. So assume our AD has a plan. I have a feeling that she is buying her time this year and will make a strike at the fall of 2016 because of Money and maybe a candidate?
Understand Hermann has maybe a 50% support backing, with a dumb hire she will get skinned alive should she faultier, guys like it or not "schiano" is a iffy hire, you can even call it dumb, as he is no better then Flood and from where Rutgers stand today Schiano may be actually a fall back from Flood. We can not go backwards get out of the dumb ass box>>> Schiano is not moving forward no matter how little you respect Flood, Schiano is just the same but different style

Schiano at the helm of a BIG Rutgers Program could do some serious damage recruiting. What people around here tend to forget is,he did a great job here promoting the game. He was good for the game.Rutgers football camp went from nothing to a being a big time camp.He held coaching clinics to help to improve the quality of coaching throughout the state for all levels (youth through High school).
As a coach he was one of the hardest working if not thee hardest worker in the country. He got the most out of his staff. He was instrumental in creating and implementing the Rutgers Brand,with quality academics, tough defenses and a greater recognition of not only Rutgers football but also Rutgers University. Throughout the state (and country). He also created higher expectations for our fanbase. Prior to his arrival here, Rutgers fans never experienced any of that.It is laughable that people don't think he would be successful here,he already did the hardest part of building a program,he got people to believe.
I know this is still Kyle Floods team.To me the perfect scenario , would be after this season, for coach Flood to work here for his old mentor right here.

 

[RU2055]

Honestly, I have no idea whether Greg Schiano has learned from his mistakes and is now a better coach. But you can count me in the camp that would definitely welcome him back. Not for the purpose of winning championships. That's not the baseline anymore. That's not the goal anymore. I would want Greg Schiano back simply to restore the pride back to our school.

 

[rucoe89]

Schiano is not coming back to Rutgers. Move on.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

No coaching hire would make as much sense as bringing back Greg Schiano to clean this place up and get the program back on track.

 

[ru-baby]

Gs would crush in recruiting with a B10 conference and rose bowl talk to sell. would be something to see, as well as the momentum of bringing the right ways back to rutgers.