LOL. He couldnt even go head to head with Rich Rod or Brian Kelly.
He would lose to Meyer, Harbaugh, and Dantonio every single year, because hes just not able to beat good coaches.
Schiano II would be like Pete Carroll at USC
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He would lose to Meyer, Harbaugh, and Dantonio every single year, because hes just not able to beat good coaches.
Wanny was beating him for NJ recruits.
He might end up being the best option, if he would be interested, but it is no lock that it will be successful.
That's a big reason why the Schianoites are going to be disappointed. No established coach worth having is going to work for Barchi/Hermann and that includes Greg.
The best the fire Food crowd can hope for is the chance of catching lighting in a bottle with a successful lower level coach or a major program OC/DC. The chance of that ending up being positive on the field or recruiting trail is no better than 50/50.
Anybody who thinks we could realistically hire somebody better than Schiano is smoking crack. Who wants to come work here for what Rutgers is likely to pay? The only reason we have a remote shot of landing someone with is credentials is his history here.
We are not USC. We are not Ohio State, or even Michigan. We won't have the cash to be competitive for several years. Either we get Schiano, or we stick with Flood, or we hire a "rising star" type of MAC/Sun Belt coach and pray he lives up to the hype. Schiano is the best bet by a long shot.
We are not USC. We are not Ohio State, or even Michigan. We won't have the cash to be competitive for several years. Either we get Schiano, or we stick with Flood, or we hire a "rising star" type of MAC/Sun Belt coach and pray he lives up to the hype. Schiano is the best bet by a long shot.
26-25 in conference post-2004 says otherwise. No need to dispute them point by point - the guy was an average coach in a bad conference.
Scottydont - Schiano is likely too demand in the $2.5-$3 million range. That gets you all manner of mid-level current BCS coaches (Mike Riley, Gary Anderson, Paul Chryst all moved to other BCS schools for that or less in just the past year), and higher level failed BCS coaches (like Tupperville, Rich Rod in the past or say a Mark Richt or Charlie Strong if they got canned.)
Schiano isnt going to walk in here for $1.5 million or whatever. If he does, its because no one else wants him - which should tell you just about everything you need to know about whether we should take him.
Here is the problem we all have seen Schiano has many warts but for most neophytes that is all they know. Shea-Graber era was a direct result of an incompetent AD; dear old F#ck-it-up Fred Grunninger . Any half decent coach could have brought us back to 50% wins. And yes he did. But we all know he is not the next step in Rutgers development of a power team. TO DO THAT WE MUST STEP ABOVE Schiano level of coaching or to better put it' lack there of level of schiano's abilities.
We now we have a real AD (not some golf coach doing double duty) who does this type of selection for a living.
BUT Many here do not like our foot-in-mouth AD for many varying reasons.
For Rutgers to compete in the B1G against the liked of the coaches in the Eastern division, we must move up a level or two or 3 or 4 for a coach who can recruit/coach/develop talent at the level of Meyer/Harbaugh/Mark D'.
Other then Kelly not too many names have come up. And I agree "THAT COACH" may not be available at this time. So assume our AD has a plan. I have a feeling that she is buying her time this year and will make a strike at the fall of 2016 because of Money and maybe a candidate?
Understand Hermann has maybe a 50% support backing, with a dumb hire she will get skinned alive should she faultier, guys like it or not "schiano" is a iffy hire, you can even call it dumb, as he is no better then Flood and from where Rutgers stand today Schiano may be actually a fall back from Flood. We can not go backwards get out of the dumb ass box>>> Schiano is not moving forward no matter how little you respect Flood, Schiano is just the same but different style
Many of you seem to think that a coach's talents and abilities are static. That's not how things are in the real world. Bob Mulcahy hired Schiano as the youngest coach in D1A. The Schiano of 2011 was a far better coach than the Schiano of 2001. He was able to learn and grow as a coach and a person. I'm certain that he continued to learn and grow since then. Nobody is talking about hiring the Greg Schiano of 2001. The Greg Schiano of 2016 has a much stronger skill set and is very highly respected by some giants (Urban Meyer, Bill Bellichek).
Get over your biases from the past.
Get over your biases from the past.
You are so correct coaches change. Bellichek is a great example remember he was run out of town in Cleveland and we all know he is now a god in Boston. BUT game day adjustment is a skill set Schiano never learned and it is not something he is likely to develop, yes by Tuesday, he has an answer for what happen to him over the weekend. But that is no good on game day. and that is his big shortcoming.
This is basically what I said in my bring back Schiano thread I posted when all the crap hit the fan. I would also highlight the excellent SI article in which Greg acknowledged his mistakes in Tampa and what he's done since then to learn some new tricks he could apply at his next gig. I would take Greg back in a heartbeat.
If you want to enjoy your college experience, then don't go out for college football, because college football is hard work. Schiano made sure most of our players succeeded in the classroom and the field, and most players and families I've spoken with felt he did right by them. I don't think he would've lasted 11 years at Rutgers, if he didn't.
So in order for Schiano II to be like Pete Carroll at USC, Rutgers would need to have the brand equity of USC, right?
I'm so glad I have certain posters on "ignore." The bullshit that comes out of their mouths is mind-boggling and a few people actually believe what they have to say as if it's the flat-out truth. So glad to be back here lol!
Here's the thing you don't know he isn't the next step. You might have very good reasons to think he can't take the next step, but you don't know it.
I won't argue that there aren't other coaches who might have a better shot, ones I would rather have, but I don't know that Schiano can't take the next step.
To say something like that would be like saying I have the same skills at my job as I did 4 years ago, or 4 years before that... Skills are not static, especially for someone as driven as Schiano.
How could you say Carroll failed in the NFL. You do know who coaches the Seattle Seahawks don't you? He has been successful at both levels and while I am a Greg Schiano fan there is no comparison between the two, at least not yet.
No one that a Rutgers hires can beat them. There are maybe 1-2 coaches that may coach better than him that we can get but they wouldn't be from this area so they wouldn't recruit as well. It could be the same results with lesser players.
I hope you are ready for 6-8 years of 4-5 wins.
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People don't want Schiano, I sort of get it. But they will take PJ Fleck in heartbeat. Which I completely don't get.
The people citing his overall record are being absurd.
1 Do you know how bare the cupboard was when he got here? Using the first few years is completely nonsense in making a judgment.
2 Do you know what his record was 2006 till the end?
Please get some perspective.
1 Do you know how bare the cupboard was when he got here? Using the first few years is completely nonsense in making a judgment.
2 Do you know what his record was 2006 till the end?
Please get some perspective.
And Schiano is better positioned to build it, than anyone else. Look at the Block R all over the state on signs, on billboards, on cars. Sport fans all over the tri-state instantly recognize the block R, whereas before, we did not have a unique identifier. Look at all the alumni that made careers in the NFL. It all started with the Block 'R' and it can be built into something BIGGER than USC. Schiano is one of the few who can do it. A Powerhouse Rutgers Program will easily dwarf all others, given our location and media market.
As long as Fludd is here I'm ready for a lot of bad football and have been for some time. If he goes, the situation may--or may not--change.
the biggest thing is that Greg has made mistakes, and learned from them. Thats what we're paying the premium for. don't want to hire someone who only realizes in Year 3 that he has to be on top of players academics. The biggest reason why rutgers players have succeeded in the classroom, has been that the head coach is on top of all that stuff. are we perfect? No. But we are light years better than what we were prior to Schiano.
Rich Rod and Brian Kelly teams are in the Top 20 and Top 10. Maybe he doesn't beat The top 3 , top 15, but he beats Penn State , Maryland and all other Big a Ten teams consistently. I'm fine with that.
Beat me to it. Lol
And though everyone pretty much knows my feeling on him coming back...anyone using he is only one game over .500 is completely off base. Pre 2005 should never be a factor.
Conference record post 2005 is concerning though...
At this point in this season I'll settle for a bowl every year in the B1G East like we did in the BE and AAC. I won't live long enough to see us win a B1G championship no matter who our coach is. I'd love to have GS back but I'll bet his wife will want to stay in Fla.
I used to hear how Billy Martin had changed, just before the Yankees hired him again.
No one really knows until he starts coaching again. It is one thing to say something, than it is to change old habits once you get back to coaching.
Urban Meyer is 43-3 since taking the job at Ohio State. Who the hell beats him regularly? The answer: Nobody. Harbaugh will have Michigan in contention again in a matter of a couple of years. Pete Carroll? Come on. Who is honestly comparing Rutgers to USC historically in football?
I repeat, no one that Rutgers hires is going to beat the elite teams until we start spending the kind of money that they spend on facilities, recruiting, and assistant coaches. If we want the best available coach to replace Flood right now, Schiano is the answer. And even he is probably too expensive.
I repeat, no one that Rutgers hires is going to beat the elite teams until we start spending the kind of money that they spend on facilities, recruiting, and assistant coaches. If we want the best available coach to replace Flood right now, Schiano is the answer. And even he is probably too expensive.
Al- come on...let's say you get fired publically from your job. You know that it is a blemish on you for the future. A national publication asks you if you learned from your mistakes...
WTF is your answer? Is your answer "No, I didn't learn a damn thing from any mistake I may have made. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I made any mistakes"
Greg is a smart man. A very smart man. He is going to give the answer that fits the situation. And maybe he did learn from his mistakes and maybe he didn't. Just because he said he learned from them, doesn't make it fact.
You get the concept that if a husband is caught cheating on his wife and gets caught. She may be willing to take him back but asks him if he learned from his mistake. Unless he doesn't want her back or is a compete idiot...His answer is going to be that he did learn from his mistake. But, that in no way means he isn't going back to his mistress tomorrow.
Well, he might go back to his mistress and have learned how to hide it much better ;)
You said it yourself, Greg is a smart man. He's also a driven man who is willing to out work just about anyone. He's a man who scrapped an offense to try a new one (didn't work obviously), he's a man who basically rearranged his entire defense after 2010. Maybe he didn't learn anything useful, maybe he won't have changed, but he's a smart, driven man who has show willingness to change in the past.
None of that means that he will now have the answers, and have changed the right things or whatever lessons learned will turn him into a great coach, but I'd be really surprised if Schiano is the same coach at his next stop.
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Bottom line- even a complete fool learns from their experiences. Greg is far from a fool. What he learned and if it translates to being a better coach, we just don't know.
Gregs track record over 11 years is clear and unblemished. So I don't have any reason to doubt what he says, as he has earned tons of goodwill in my book. He did everything he said he was going to do, including building the program on a solid foundation and not on stilts.
Yeah! like he went head to head with Buffalo,Villanova,New Hampshere, Robinson at Syr. Could not even win a tie for a championship in the weakened Big East, Now he is going to do it the the B1G? He had his day in the sun, now it is time to move on.
