Schiano

[mildone]

Being a douche. Maybe if he realizes he’s achieved that goal he’ll stop and try another.

I don't mind that he takes such an anti-GS or anti-whatever viewpoint. Life's more interesting when there's a variety for views and so forth.

Just wish he'd realize/admit he operates on almost pure speculation. He's weaving conjecture and an occasional fact (or half-truth) into narratives that suit his viewpoint. Which is very disingenuous behavior.

Repeating conjecture as fact often enough causes the inattentive and/or unskeptical to adopt the conjecture as fact. Then they repeat it. And it becomes viral. So we wind up with a bunch of misinformation from which people draw unsupportable conclusions.

We see it in politics ALL THE TIME from all sides. It's a super unattractive aspect of human nature. Would be nice not to have to deal with it sports too.

 

[RUforlife]

What exactly is your purpose on these boards if you both seem to want RU to roll up shop and not compete in athletics.

Seriously? I have always pushed for the exact opposite. I advocated going all in when we first began this adventure into big time athletics. I am an old guy, I was very happy going to Lehigh, Colgate, etc. games in the fall, but once we decided to upgrade I advocated for spending the money and doing what it takes to win championships. And that has always meant, and will continue to mean, hiring coaches and supporting boosters that are willing to do whatever it takes to get the players we need to win championships. What I hate is the acceptance of this holier than thou, apple pie, mediocrity within the fanbase and University. I would rather be celebrating a championship today with all of Michigan's baggage than running a clean as a whistle program looking at yet another 4-7 win season.

 

[RUInsanity]

Seriously? I have always pushed for the exact opposite. I advocated going all in when we first began this adventure into big time athletics. I am an old guy, I was very happy going to Lehigh, Colgate, etc. games in the fall, but once we decided to upgrade I advocated for spending the money and doing what it takes to win championships. And that has always meant, and will continue to mean, hiring coaches and supporting boosters that are willing to do whatever it takes to get the players we need to win championships. What I hate is the acceptance of this holier than thou, apple pie, mediocrity within the fanbase and University. I would rather be celebrating a championship today with all of Michigan's baggage than running a clean as a whistle program looking at yet another 4-7 win season.

OK - fair enough. But the whole rhetoric and usage of "fans who accept mediocrity" is like an over-used meme at this point. True RU fans want an enjoyable experience celebrating the team winning and that includes winning championships. The difference of opinion comes in how we get there and what impact we have as fans. For me, what's debated on these boards has close to zero relevance to the team winning or losing, except to the extent if it increases donations or fan involvement (i.e. attendance etc.) in a positive way. For example, if people express different opinions regarding Schiano or Wimsatt - it doesn't mean that one accepts mediocrity and the other does not....it simply means that they have a different view on what future progress means.

 

[RUforlife]

OK - fair enough. But the whole rhetoric and usage of "fans who accept mediocrity" is like an over-used meme at this point. True RU fans want an enjoyable experience celebrating the team winning and that includes winning championships. The difference of opinion comes in how we get there and what impact we have as fans. For me, what's debated on these boards has close to zero relevance to the team winning or losing, except to the extent if it increases donations or fan involvement (i.e. attendance etc.) in a positive way. For example, if people express different opinions regarding Schiano or Wimsatt - it doesn't mean that one accepts mediocrity and the other does not....it simply means that they have a different view on what future progress means.

I respect your opinion, but there have been countless fans over the course of the last 20+ years I have been on this board that have argued that they would rather accept mediocrity or even losing if it meant we were running a "clean" program and doing it the right way. Well, time has proven those of us who argued you win at any cost at this level right, look at all the programs that have cut corners and won, faced some sanctions, and came back and won again. You think the Michigan fans today are crying that their coach is dirty and their program cheated by stealing signs? Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. prove over and over again that if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

 

[RUbacker]

I respect your opinion, but there have been countless fans over the course of the last 20+ years I have been on this board that have argued that they would rather accept mediocrity or even losing if it meant we were running a "clean" program and doing it the right way. Well, time has proven those of us who argued you win at any cost at this level right, look at all the programs that have cut corners and won, faced some sanctions, and came back and won again. You think the Michigan fans today are crying that their coach is dirty and their program cheated by stealing signs? Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. prove over and over again that if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

It kind of mirrors our current society the last couple years. The law abiding citizens basically get hosed while those cutting corners / breaking the law get away with everything. Crime does pay apparently in our America today.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I don't mind that he takes such an anti-GS or anti-whatever viewpoint. Life's more interesting when there's a variety for views and so forth.

Just wish he'd realize/admit he operates on almost pure speculation. He's weaving conjecture and an occasional fact (or half-truth) into narratives that suit his viewpoint. Which is very disingenuous behavior.

Repeating conjecture as fact often enough causes the inattentive and/or unskeptical to adopt the conjecture as fact. Then they repeat it. And it becomes viral. So we wind up with a bunch of misinformation from which people draw unsupportable conclusions.

We see it in politics ALL THE TIME from all sides. It's a super unattractive aspect of human nature. Would be nice not to have to deal with it sports too.

This. And on things that quickly prove to be point blank wrong like the notion we wouldn’t bring in another QB next year. Because Schiano only wants Gavin.

There was never even a remote chance of that being accurate.

 

[mildone]

I respect your opinion, but there have been countless fans over the course of the last 20+ years I have been on this board that have argued that they would rather accept mediocrity or even losing if it meant we were running a "clean" program and doing it the right way. Well, time has proven those of us who argued you win at any cost at this level right, look at all the programs that have cut corners and won, faced some sanctions, and came back and won again. You think the Michigan fans today are crying that their coach is dirty and their program cheated by stealing signs? Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. prove over and over again that if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

Other than donations or buying season tickets, what is it that fans are supposed to do about mediocrity? We don't make ANY of the decisions that result in success or failure for the various RU sports.

@RUInsanity is correct to discredit the "accepting mediocrity" thing. Fans have no choice but to accept it or not be fans. Bitching and whining about it all the time does nothing.

 

[Eagleton96]

Other than donations or buying season tickets, what is it that fans are supposed to do about mediocrity? We don't make ANY of the decisions that result in success or failure for the various RU sports.

@RUInsanity is correct to discredit the "accepting mediocrity" thing. Fans have no choice but to accept it or not be fans. Bitching and whining about it all the time does nothing.

If you accept the facts of the situation in terms of limited NIL, fanbase, history etc., and root for the program to do as well as possible to make progress within those constraints, then you are accepting mediocrity. If you angrily demand something that is not remotely possible then you are a "realist."

 

[RUforlife]

Other than donations or buying season tickets, what is it that fans are supposed to do about mediocrity? We don't make ANY of the decisions that result in success or failure for the various RU sports.

@RUInsanity is correct to discredit the "accepting mediocrity" thing. Fans have no choice but to accept it or not be fans. Bitching and whining about it all the time does nothing.

Fans can make themselves a pain in the ass to the coaches and administration in many ways that can force change, consistently voice their displeasure in all media, mailings to those in charge, organizing protests, etc. etc. For example, look at Clemson this year, the fans got to be so annoying with just losing a few games that Dabo felt it necessary to go public with his frustrations. Fans can be super annoying to coaches and administrations that they will do anything to shut them up, even winning.

 

[brgRC90]

Fans can make themselves a pain in the ass to the coaches and administration in many ways that can force change, consistently voice their displeasure in all media, mailings to those in charge, organizing protests, etc. etc. For example, look at Clemson this year, the fans got to be so annoying with just losing a few games that Dabo felt it necessary to go public with his frustrations. Fans can be super annoying to coaches and administrations that they will do anything to shut them up, even winning.

Tennessee fans succeeded in getting Schiano turned down as their HC.

 

[mildone]

If you accept the facts of the situation in terms of limited NIL, fanbase, history etc., and root for the program to do as well as possible to make progress within those constraints, then you are accepting mediocrity. If you angrily demand something that is not remotely possible then you are a "realist."

Who knew stamping our feet on the ground while loudly demanding non-mediocrity, on an internet forum, would move mountains? 😀

Fans should feel free to write to Hobbs or the coaches. Enough people do that and that might have an impact of some sort. Specially if one is a big time donor. Maybe.

But venting one’s spleen here in the forum, over and over and over? Zero hope of changing anything.

Is exactly like political debate in Internet forums. Total waste of time. Wanna make a difference contribute to a campaign, or party, or politician; or vote, or run for office. Those can have an impact. Obsessively ranting about the same nonsense day after day? That’s just sad and useless.

But it’s people’s time. If they want to spend it being obsessive online, that’s their right. If they want to blame those of us not into whining obsessively and uselessly, that’s their right too. 🙂

 

[mildone]

Tennessee fans succeeded in getting Schiano turned down as their HC.

Not by whining in an Internet forum they didn’t. 🙂

Probably was a result of lots of big money donors who effected the change.

 

[brgRC90]

Not by whining in an Internet forum they didn’t. 🙂

Probably was a result of lots of big money donors who effected the change.

Probably both.

 

[rutgersal]

Fans can make themselves a pain in the ass to the coaches and administration in many ways that can force change, consistently voice their displeasure in all media, mailings to those in charge, organizing protests, etc. etc. For example, look at Clemson this year, the fans got to be so annoying with just losing a few games that Dabo felt it necessary to go public with his frustrations. Fans can be super annoying to coaches and administrations that they will do anything to shut them up, even winning.

I’m not even sure what this even means. The biggest missing component to significant success is MONEY. We simply don’t have enough of it to compete with the big programs.

Need to raise the required donation for Scarlet Parking from $2K to $20K. This is similar to what our competitors charge. Below is the description of the university of Florida’s Bull Gator program.

Bull Gator | Gator Boosters, Inc.

University of Florida Gator Boosters

gatorboosters.org

If fans want more success, they need to pony up. First we need to build the Fieldhouse, which is the last piece of the puzzle infrastructure wise.

 

[Knight Shift]

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[yesrutgers01]

I just heard that Bama has contacted GS 😳

 

[Shelby65]

You mean us, as fans? Having fun. What’s your goal?

The program

This. And on things that quickly prove to be point blank wrong like the notion we wouldn’t bring in another QB next year. Because Schiano only wants Gavin.

There was never even a remote chance of that being accurate.

Another QB to compete for the job. He could name GW the 2024 starter three minutes into summer practices like he did last year

 

[drewbagel423]

I just heard that Bama has contacted GS 😳

My money's on Kurt Flood 🥸

 

[mildone]

My money's on Kurt Flood 🥸

The total douchebag in me wants to see him hired as HC and then have like a 10 year run of national championships there. Not 'cause I have any particular desire to see 'Bama or Flood succeed; I do not.

But because the thermonuclear head explosions here on our board would be a sight to see. 🤣