So when Franklin gets fired
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We are rebuilding but considering RU had 8 wins in the Big 10 just 1.5 years ago with our worst coach in school history, I feel pretty confident by year 3 in the Ash era.
9 to 1 prove you're wrong. Your phony allegation makes up the other 1. 10 to less than zero.
LOL at the State Penn guys who don't understand the point of linking the Onion article. The whole world laughs at you but you don't get it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-ncaa-should/2012/07/13/gJQAtGrViW_story.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...ged-to-shutdown-its-football-program-20120720
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...erno-penn-state-shut-down-football/56166544/1
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ceremony-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky/90372540/
http://lancasteronline.com/opinion/...cle_eaeb9e7e-7487-11e6-b6ec-3b3561067d0f.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ny-temple-football/1pun03qtov8u31llms16qjw8mu
http://nypost.com/2016/09/17/penn-state-bros-proudly-show-off-disgusting-joe-paterno-shirts/
Let me know if you need more links other than the dozens that show up via a 1 second google search. Also, if you need a reading comprehension class, maybe try your local library for some after school sessions. Sentences longer than four words are hard to understand, I know. Best of luck to you guys though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-ncaa-should/2012/07/13/gJQAtGrViW_story.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...ged-to-shutdown-its-football-program-20120720
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...erno-penn-state-shut-down-football/56166544/1
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ceremony-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky/90372540/
http://lancasteronline.com/opinion/...cle_eaeb9e7e-7487-11e6-b6ec-3b3561067d0f.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ny-temple-football/1pun03qtov8u31llms16qjw8mu
http://nypost.com/2016/09/17/penn-state-bros-proudly-show-off-disgusting-joe-paterno-shirts/
Let me know if you need more links other than the dozens that show up via a 1 second google search. Also, if you need a reading comprehension class, maybe try your local library for some after school sessions. Sentences longer than four words are hard to understand, I know. Best of luck to you guys though.
Realistically you had 3 wins in the B1G going 3-5. Your other 4 wins (regular season) were OOC games. Now you play 9 B1G games which means to get to 7 wins you'll have to go 4-5 minimum. Does it change your perspective when you look at it that way?
The point is, they're laughing at false narrative losers. But don't let that get in your way. Nice try to deflect.
Fail.
I hope they keep the bum! I'm so happy his recruiting has finally paid off and he beat a mediocre team with a good QB at home, in OT. They won the game because they had far superior talent than Minnesota. Hope it keeps him at psu because he's a lousy coach.
Wait, what? What's the false narrative? Did it never happen? That no one else knew and did nothing to help the kids? Dude. You need to splash yourself with some cold water man. Scary stuff.
RU played Wisc and Neb from the west. How often will that happen? You left our the thrashing of UNC and not to mention being the better team against psu for 58 minutes. Does that change your opinion?
Realize the Onion is laughing at you who bought into the false narrative. Keep trying.
The Onion is laughing at the people who don't support a pedophile enabler??:joy:
Ok, I'm intrigued, really I am. Please explain, in detailed fashion, this "false narrative" you speak of. I want to know what exactly was false and what was true. Enlighten me.
The thrashing of UNC was in the bowl game so wrt to getting to 7 regular season wins it's irrelevant. You were 8-5 that year so I assumed when you were saying 7 regular season wins. If you meant 6-6 with a bowl win then you could go 3-6 in the B1G minimum, which does sound infinitely easier. In 2014 your S&P+ rating was 69th. Current S&P+ ratings of the B1G West - Wisc: 18, Nebby: 23, Iowa: 34, Minny: 44, NW: 68, Ill: 70, and Purdue: 100. I won't include your current S&P+ rating since your assuming you get close to 2014 which again was 69. My read on your fan base is you guys expect to be bowling in year 3. My opinion is it going to be more difficult than you think, not impossible but probably shouldn't be expected.
Two former colleagues are huge Penn State fans b/c they or a family member are alum. Impression they gave me was Penn State was the victim. I ran into a former Penn State player (from my home town, I've known for many years) who started when Sandusky was there, was a star in a bowl game, when we talked about the scandal, he shook his head, looked pissed, and said "that whole situation made me sick" Another collegues dad was an AA there, they said the whole situation made him sick. Tale of two worlds. Penn State is very good school, it's a shame they didn't follow through investigating. I feel for the kids and their families.
Well, can't argue being 0-2 vs. Franklin on the field. Can say that PSU only got one NJ player in 2016 (and Ash was only here for 6 weeks) and looks like PSU only has one current verbal from NJ for 2017. I don't think JF is terrible...I just think he's overpaid. For $4M per year you'd kind of be looking for more than 7 wins per year, especially with the recruiting job he's done. Still, I guess 2017 will tell the tale as it's year 4 and that's when most coaches get evaluated.
I'm not agreeing with Tom about the Onion article, it was satire directed at us, but the false narrative is that football wins were put above the welfare of children. I realize that's what a lot of fans of other programs believe and I understand why. However, when I look at the evidence, and admittedly with PSU bias, I believe mistakes were made, better guidelines/protocols were needed (which is disheartening enough), but I don't believe C/S/S/P knew Jerry was hurting children and were like F-it, football over everything. I'm not saying that 100% didn't happen but until all trials are over and we get as much information as possible I'm reserving my final judgement. However, I do believe that as more and more information from the trials comes out C/S/S/P will be found to have less culpability rather than more which is why I'm willing to reserve judgement. If I felt new info was going to be damning then there's no need to reserve judgement.
Still haven't decided on JF. I definitely lean towards him not being the LT solution but we'll see.
As an FYI, I think your comments on 2017 are legit but I don't agree with 2016. I think I've stated on here before that the NJ kids (sans Gary and Dwumfour) from NJ last year were not that highly regarded/recruited by our staff. A NJ coach who I respect from our board also was not sold on them. Some may say "sour grapes" but most who know me here know I tend to be a straight shooter. Lo and behold, three of the kids are already gone and at least one was processed. Pretty sure that will be the ending for Johnson as well.
I'd argue that 2016 had more to do with Harbaugh and the fact that PSU just wasn't very high on a lot of NJ kids outside of the DTs. The Ash effect in NJ seems a little overrated in 2017, also, considering he has verbals from only two of the top 10 at this point, and they're a legacy and a kid who apparently wants to play with his brother, whose only other offer is from Old Dominion. PSU appears to have a good shot at Dalyn Wade-Perry if he can't get into Stanford, and it sounds like Corey Bolds has some work to do academically. Don't think PSU is really in the mix for any other NJ kids at this point.
It is an important state for us long term, of course, and I'm hoping they can be more involved in 2018 with kids like Friday, Dotson, Shorter (already committed to PSU) and Hardy, and in 2019 with Alfano and Hawkins. Not buying the idea that we will be "shut out" of Jersey moving forward, at all.
I'm going by sheer numbers, not whether it's a credit to Ash or not. Compared to the amount of NJ players JF got in his first 2 classes, one in 2016 and one in 2017 (so far) is not really remarkable. All I'm saying.
In fairness, I believe we offered 7/10 in NJ T10 for 2017. If they are a LB or DT, we wanted them and they were a priority. Pretty sure the same was true with Njoku, Clark and Melton. Not sure about Bell. I know he has an offer but not sure how much a priority he was.
Fair enough. The staff has certainly been much more of a presence in Maryland and Virginia than in New Jersey over the past two cycles.
Beating Kyle a Flood isn't really an accomplishment. In fact, one could argue beating flood in 14' was Franklin's best win at PSU thus far. Again, I hope psu keeps feanklin because I don't see the team being much better next year than this year unless they get a better coach in there. I do think this years psu Rutgers game will be a lot closer than last year.
Franklin's best win was BC IMO. Rutgers was a good win though for sure.
Will be interesting to see about next year. DL should be much improved as they are playing at least a ten player rotation and they're all back. LB will be interesting again but Bowen and Brown are both coming along because they've been forced to play. OL will have all the stud young kids playing so who knows. QB, RB, WR and TE will be fine.
Franklin's coaching (or lack thereof) is vastly over exaggerated. It reminds me of people who say that Cleveland sucks and yet they have never been here.
That Joe and Penn State "knew" and covered up.
Now, tell us who was raped, when and where.
Ok yeah, I thought they were laughing at you guys, but I wanted to double check:joy:They are laughing at idiots who support the false BS.
This thread is more proof that the Penn State fan base has too many sick individuals.
The deniers are out in force on this one.
There were no rapes???????
Or it was everyone's fault except Paterno?????
They don't even all believe the same thing except that Paterno was a saint
and they are the victims??????
Sick, sick, sick.
Did n1tlion go back to the PSU board for reinforcements?
The deniers are out in force on this one.
There were no rapes???????
Or it was everyone's fault except Paterno?????
They don't even all believe the same thing except that Paterno was a saint
and they are the victims??????
Sick, sick, sick.
Did n1tlion go back to the PSU board for reinforcements?
Dude. You're entitled to believe what you want but you srsly need to reconsider your thoughts here.
You do realize the following right?
Criminal charge: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, indecent assault, criminal intent to commit indecent assault, unlawful contact with minors, corruption of minors, endangering welfare of children
Criminal penalty: 30 to 60 years in prison, sentenced on October 9, 2012
Are those charges clearer than the term "rape" for you? Jesus guy.
I don't know of anyone associated with penn state that the whole things makes you sick...it was a terrible thing that happened. No one is arguing that it didn't happen or it wasn't terrible...and I agree it's a travesty that the state prosecutor and various police agencies didn't do a more thorough investigation back in the late 90s
Again the agenda is unmistakable..."covered up by a(n) entire university? You do realize 99% of the university community had nothing to do with the crimes or any supposed cover up don't you? Maybe you can't possibly comprehend that
99% didn't have anything to do with the crimes or cover up.
But after cover-up was made known there were and still is a lot of cult members denying a cover up happened
Also most of the Penn St community won't call the cult out, but just ignore the issue as much as they can instead of letting everyone know the cult doesn't represent them making . That silence has most people think the deniers of cover up and paterno protectors represent the majority of the Penn St community.
When a team that includes Sandusky is honored and it is supposed to be honoring Joe Paterno's first game in which that child molesting Sandusky was a part of and the Penn St community doesn't speak out against it, that ruins any 99% not part of argument.
They didn't know isn't an excuse, Penn St knew when they scheduled honoring a team that included Sandusky as a GA and the Penn St community should have known instead of putting on their blinders and pleading ignorance once again.
The university leaders did cover up for Sandusky. From Paterno up through to the university president.
Not every faculty member is guilty ofc, but the university leaders were guilty, so it's fair to say the University covered up the crimes.
So what are you saying? The university cannot honor any football team from 1966 through 2011 because of who one or two of the coaches were?
Can't wait for you guys to honor the Ray Rice/Brian Leonard team...and celebrate an Abuser
Just showing you how wrong you were in trying to shift that day from honoring Paterno and making it look like the team was being honored instead.
On Ray Rice, there wasn't a cover up
But like a true cult member you try to tie in every disgusting act that other programs players (or ex players in Rice's case) in with Penn St covering up for a child molester's act in 2001 and paying out for his sexually abusing children since the late 70s , maybe earlier.
Honoring Joe "The Enabler" Paterno's first team is also honoring the POS GA that was part of that 66 squad.
Also by honing that team it was a sneaky way to honor someone that enabled a child molester to prey on children instead of protecting the children from someone he knew was a child molester.
If you want to compare an ex RU FB player (Rice) and an ex Penn St assistant (Sandusky), remember a little after that pervert Sandusky was investigated for child abuse and "retired" when it wouldn't be connected to that investigation, Sandusky was given the title of Coach Emeritus and now records show Penn St had been paying out for his perversion since the 70s.
Ray Rice isn't connected to the RU FB program like that and ties were cut the moment he abused his future (now) wife.
Sandusky continued to be part of the Nit FB program even after he was caught molesting a child 3 years after being investigated for child abuse and Penn St paying out to keep his victims silent since the 70s.
So I'm saying Penn St shouldn't have tried to honor Paterno by doing an end run around the reason and letting a pervert be part of that honor.
Penn St turned a blind eye again to to Sandusky again when they honored Joe Paterno but claimed it was the 1966 Penn St team (all of it) they were honoring and not just Joe "The Enabler" Paterno
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Everything else people have been over a million times but wrt this, this was something the letterman were doing, getting together for the 50th anniversary of Joe's 1st game. It was not something originally put together by PSU. Yes the university supported it but to say the intent was to honor Paterno instead of the team is not correct. I'll give you, the line of Joe being honored vs the team being honored is a blurry one but to stretch it to Sandusky, who I didn't know (and I bet most people don't know) was a GA in '66, is off. There was 0 mention of Jerry, 0 clips in the video montages, this had nothing to do with him. I mean seriously a GA. I can't tell you who they are for this season, let alone 50 years ago.
