Sources indicate that Big 12 will not expand -

[Scarlet Jerry]

- at least right now. Some of our old AAC teams are in mourning, thinking that it was their turn to get picked by a P5 conference.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...e-championship-game/cs4crpehvx2k16102br83qict

Thank you, Jim Delany

-Scarlet Jerry

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Pretty much this:

As for the realities of expansion, the Big 12's research showed mostly positives surrounding a 12-member conference, however the research never addressed specific candidates. And the potential additions, simply put, don't justify the upheaval.

So the likes of Cincinnati, UConn, BYU and Boise State will continue to watch and wait — perhaps as long as until 2024, when the College Football Playoff and all the major Tier 1 and 2 TV contracts are up across the Power 5 conferences.

At that point, if things get reworked, it could put schools such as Florida State and Clemson, Arizona and Arizona State in play, which is a different deal for the Big 12 and leaves the Group of 5 candidates on the outside looking in — again.

 

[Steve91562]

B12 expansion serves no purpose for them; it neither brings more $$ to the schools nor makes the conference more stable (as Tx remains the linchpin).

 

[Mr_Twister]

Big12 will be fine as soon as the number of teams in the football playoffs increases, which will happen before long.

 

[Steve91562]

Big12 will be fine as soon as the number of teams in the football playoffs increases, which will happen before long.

Or they toughen up their OOC schedule.

 

[MozRU]

As I said in the other thread,

I foresee the B12 holding it together and the ACC dieing.

UNC and Vir = B1G

Va Teck and NC State = SEC

FSU/Clemson/GTech/U/Pitt/Ville = B12

ND = Independent, because they are just cool and can do it.

The rest of the join C-USA, sorry.

If the commissioners of the B1G/SEC/PAC12 are smart they tell the B12 to hold it together until the ACC GOR is up.

 

[valkabit]

Thank you, Jim Delany

-Scarlet Jerry

This

 

[Akron Buck]

That could have been you, imagine how down this board would have been if you were still in the AAC just hoping that the BIG12 would look your way.

 

[ru8081]

That could have been you, imagine how down this board would have been if you were still in the AAC just hoping that the BIG12 would look your way.

Yes my beloved RU should erect a statue of Jim Delany! In my opinion getting into the B1G was one the top 5 events in Rutgers 250 year history.

 

[eceres]

ACC should really make a play for WV. Survival is sometimes attacking the others weakest guy.

 

[Akron Buck]

Yes my beloved RU should erect a statue of Jim Delany! In my opinion getting into the B1G was one the top 5 events in Rutgers 250 year history.

In a couple of years when your full share starts rolling in just hope that you have really good people in place at the top and don't waste the windfall. Don't be Purdue.

 

[MozRU]

ACC should really make a play for WV. Survival is sometimes attacking the others weakest guy.

Exactly. As much as the B12 looks like a Clown Show, they still encompass major State schools. The ACC is a mistfit toy conference.

Attack or be attacked.

 

[Abro1975]

ACC should really make a play for WV. Survival is sometimes attacking the others weakest guy.

They had their chance. But seems odd they wouldn't want Pitt's historic rival , and a good program in almost all sports. Only thing I can think of is W Va's less than stellar academic reputation. However with Fla St in the conference it wouldn't seem to matter.

 

[eceres]

Exactly. As much as the B12 looks like a Clown Show, they still encompass major State schools. The ACC is a mistfit toy conference.

Attack or be attacked.

Ultimately big 12 and ACC well merge one way or the other. Question is who is left out (1-2 might drop to American level)

 

[sherrane]

We and Louisville might be the last two additions to a P5 conference for a decade or longer.

Pretty much this:

As for the realities of expansion, the Big 12's research showed mostly positives surrounding a 12-member conference, however the research never addressed specific candidates. And the potential additions, simply put, don't justify the upheaval.

So the likes of Cincinnati, UConn, BYU and Boise State will continue to watch and wait — perhaps as long as until 2024, when the College Football Playoff and all the major Tier 1 and 2 TV contracts are up across the Power 5 conferences.

At that point, if things get reworked, it could put schools such as Florida State and Clemson, Arizona and Arizona State in play, which is a different deal for the Big 12 and leaves the Group of 5 candidates on the outside looking in — again.

Regarding your first point, the Longhorn Network is a large stumbling block for B12 expansion (if ESPN could buy their way out of this contract, they would have likely already done so). I talked about the Big East starting a conference network on this board before the MWC or B1G started theirs. As consumers unplug, a conference network is going to be one of the items that will help keep conferences profitable. The only difference is how they will get paid for this service once "everything" goes over the internet. Because the deal for the Longhorn Network doesn't expire until 2031, the Big 12 will not likely have a conference-wide network for another ≈15 seasons (when most people will have cut the cord and close to 100% of the important demographic for advertisers), which is why the ACC may be in better shape than the B12. It is for this reason why I don't think either of the schools in your last point are viable options for the B12.

 

[RUSONIC]

There is no way Oklahoma is going to live with making $20 to $30 million less than Rutgers. Question is B1G or SEC

 

[MozRU]

There is no way Oklahoma is going to live with making $20 to $30 million less than Rutgers. Question is B1G or SEC

Never really thought about his.

We live in a "short term gain for long term failure," world. It would be something if Texas is so short sighted that Oklahoma bolts, Kansas and K-St bolt and over time Texas becomes the Ohio U of the State of Texas and A&M rules.

The Pac12 would probably take them, but UCL/USC/OR would cut them off at the knees prior and only take them in if they actually became a partner instead of bully.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Maybe Texas goes the Notre Dinero route as an independent while maintaining a traditional game or two.

 

[gordel1]

Can Texas join the Big 10 and still keep it's Longhorn Network ?

 

[RUSONIC]

Can Texas join the Big 10 and still keep it's Longhorn Network ?

The additional money they would make coming to the B1G would offset the $15 million they get from the LHN.

 

[Akron Buck]

Can Texas join the Big 10 and still keep it's Longhorn Network ?

No

 

[gordel1]

But could the Big10 allow them to also keep their own network until their deal with ESPN expires at which time ESPN would probably not renew it.

 

[MozRU]

Pass on Texas. Seriously. They destroyed the B12. Nebraska would fight like h8ll to keep them out.

Take Oklahoma and make the West strong. Nebraska would love it.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

- at least right now. Some of our old AAC teams are in mourning, thinking that it was their turn to get picked by a P5 conference.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...e-championship-game/cs4crpehvx2k16102br83qict

Thank you, Jim Delany

-Scarlet Jerry

Oh oh...the steers must have put their cloven foot down...Baylor is breathing a temporary sigh of relief...until its master decides what to do...it sucks to have your school be at the mercy and whim of some other school...

Thank you Delaney (sp?) for making the move to get Rutgers
Thank you Mike Slive for seeing A&M's true potential (it should have happened in 1991, but A&M was really not ready then)

 

[MoobyCow]

That could have been you, imagine how down this board would have been if you were still in the AAC just hoping that the BIG12 would look your way.

The 50 yard line seats would have been nice...

 

[ecojew]

No way that Oklahoma gets into the B1G - it's not an AAU school, nor is it even close to that status. And I can't see the B1G taking in TX, with all the drama that would likely entail, and it would never allow TX to come in and still keep the LHN. Anyone can see how toxic TX has been for the B12 and apparently that will continue since the conference seems to be stuck, not able to make any move that might benefit the group all because of the LHN, which has evidently been a dismal failure. The only good thing about the LHN is that it gives ESPiN a big black eye.

The most surprising mention in that article was the possibility of the B12 adding Arizona and ASU, possibly along with FSU + Clemson. The latter two have been discussed often but where did this idea of the Arizona schools leaving the Pac12 come from? It wouldn't seem to make any financial sense. Too many trips to Pullman?

 

[MozRU]

Right, why in God's name would ASU/AU leave the Pac12? Stupidiest thing I every heard.

 

[RUfinal4]

after the B10 deal is done then you may see movement if the P12 and B12 are lagging behind big time. A year ago the B12 teams made about $23-25 mil each. The P12 teams are in the same neighborhood. If Rutgers and Maryland earn over $35 mil when they get full shares I can see teams from the P12 and B12 both looking for ways to equal the B10 payouts.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

That could have been you, imagine how down this board would have been if you were still in the AAC just hoping that the BIG12 would look your way.

Only if the Big Ten had decided to stay at 12 and decided they didn't want to make a insane amount of money..

Actually the ACC and the Big12 was the other two conferences that did look our way, but we were a better fit at the Big Ten since thanks to how the Big Ten is set-up with the BTN and their TV contracts being up for renewal we stood to make the Big Ten far more money than we could any other conference.

The Big Ten knew they could make a boat load of money by adding Rutgers. I don't think the Big 12 or the ACC would have made a boat load of money by adding us. We would had just been a travel partner for WVU at the Big 12, and we didn't add much besides keeping the Big Ten away from the biggest TV market for the ACC.

It was B1G or bust for dear old Rutgers.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

They had their chance. But seems odd they wouldn't want Pitt's historic rival , and a good program in almost all sports. Only thing I can think of is W Va's less than stellar academic reputation. However with Fla St in the conference it wouldn't seem to matter.

as well as Louisville. The real reason is how good are WV at Men's basketball? that is the only thing that the ACC cares about.

 

[IL Lusciato]

really a shame for Cinci.

 

[JeepGuy999]

Awww, poor uconn. Always the bridesmaid. LOL!!

 

[Block R]

Exactly. As much as the B12 looks like a Clown Show, they still encompass major State schools. The ACC is a mistfit toy conference.

Attack or be attacked.

The ACC raided (multiple times) the original misfit toy conference to become the surviving (for now) misfit toy conference.

All I have to say is life is good in B1G country.

 

[JerseyVegas]

Right, why in God's name would ASU/AU leave the Pac12? Stupidiest thing I every heard.

I agree this makes ZERO sense. Most of the current students and alums of both schools are from California. Most people in AZ are transplants from CA. Colorado left the B12 to be with more "like-minded schools". You think these schools are going to give up easy travel trips to LA and the Bay Area (2 schools in each metro) for Austin and Norman? This would be more than $$$ decision this would take A whole helluva lot more to have this happen.

 

[MozRU]

The ACC raided (multiple times) the original misfit toy conference to become the surviving (for now) misfit toy conference.

All I have to say is life is good in B1G country.

I agree with you man my. See you at the Mich game

 

[WhiteBus]

The Big 12 has no reason to expand. They can now have a conference championship game at 10 teams. This was the end of expansion until 2024.

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

UConn is relegated to the AAC for the foreseeable future. They have a small stadium that is WAY off campus, an undesirable recruiting area, they are not an AAU institution, and they do not have any sustained football success. They may want to claim NY, but that only makes them look foolish. At least when Syracuse made that claim, they are actually IN NY and you can actually find people in the city who sport their Cuse sweatshirts. I don't see a UConn presence in NYC AT ALL. UConn has an elite women's basketball dynasty (as long as Geno is coaching) and they had men's basketball success because they played in the Big East and could sell that to recruits. That recruiting advantage is gone. They may be jealous of us and consider themselves "more deserving" of a place in a major conference, but football drives the bus, and they missed the last bus out of the terminal. I don't have anything against UConn, but I get annoyed when their fans claim that they deserve to be in a better place than us.

If I was the Big 12, I would stay at ten members or look to expand in the south with UCF or/and Cincy, two schools that have shown a commitment to football and bring new markets and new, fertile recruiting areas.

Scarlet Jerry

 

[oldman87]

My Big 12 is always looking for opportunities to expand.

 

[Arizona Knight]

But could the Big10 allow them to also keep their own network until their deal with ESPN expires at which time ESPN would probably not renew it.

Yes.

 

[BlockR]

alledgedly there are 6 votes to expand for B12..Texas AD says now NO way but new Texas president is not married to LHN..SO ..in true B12 fashion..they will just drag this onward till September and then not expand but have a championship..
in the end the B12 is the least stable of all the power five and can allways be raided.....