Team Rio - Mike Rice

[Mr_Twister]

Mike Rice coaches Team Rio according to this article.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/201...ing-targets-for-the-classes-of-2018-and-2019/

Will coaching Team Rio help land another Div-1 assistant or head coach job? If King Rice left Monmouth, would Rice have a shot at succeeding his namesake?

 

[Russ Wood]

Mike Rice coaches Team Rio according to this article.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/201...ing-targets-for-the-classes-of-2018-and-2019/

Will coaching Team Rio help land another Div-1 assistant or head coach job? If King Rice left Monmouth, would Rice have a shot at succeeding his namesake?

Find out next week same Bat time same Bat channel.

I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

There have been head coaches interested in hiring, or at least talking to, Mike Rice. School administrators have blocked the hire I'm told.

 

[RepeatedCrown6]

Find out next week same Bat time same Bat channel.

I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

There have been head coaches interested in hiring, or at least talking to, Mike Rice. School administrators have blocked the hire I'm told.

I really hope that he gets another chance somewhere, the guy can really coach, and although what he did is not great, it's worse in today's age of snowflakes, I think he has learned his lesson and won't continue to act the way he did.

 

[SkilletHead2]

I really hope that he gets another chance somewhere, the guy can really coach, and although what he did is not great, it's worse in today's age of snowflakes, I think he has learned his lesson and won't continue to act the way he did.

I hope he gets a second chance, too. But what he did was well beyond "not great." No sugar coating it.

 

[MADHAT1]

I know it's not the same as hiring the HC that was blamed, but last yearJimmy Martelli was hired by VCU as their director of basketball operations.
I think Mike Rice will be hired by a major program as an assistant after the 2018-19 season is over.
Right now with everything going on about the investigations and indictments from it, no school wants to be put in the type of limelight hiring Rice ( right now) will do.

 

[TDIrish27]

IMO that won't happen------he'll go to the low D-1 level as an Assistant for a few years first

 

[LC-88]

And you can bet that everytime he gets a new gig, E$PN will run a story, "While head coach at Rutgers....."

 

[RUinFla]

I hope he gets a second chance, too. But what he did was well beyond "not great." No sugar coating it.

To be fair, Skillet, the infamous tape was a collection of snippets shot by a treacherous assistant angling for the job. The technique has been used forever for "man in the street" samplings to demonstrate how dumb people, college students--whoever-are. You record 25 people and keep the four who give the most clueless answers.

What Rice did was bad. But the sainted (by some) Coach K is known to have the foulest mouth among notable coaches, perhaps among all coaches. You can see during games how he scrunches up his face, which darkens, and he makes an angry comment to the ref and you have to wonder what he is like at practice when things are not going well. He is notorious for locking the team out of practice when piqued. There are many coaches that would not want their actions in practice chronicled. Bob Knight. Matt Doherty. Wimp Sanderson--a host more. Am sure Mike Rice has learned from his time at RU, and deserves another chance.
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[Russ Wood]

Using Bob Knight as an example of a coach not wanting his actions and practice chronicled probably wasn't a good idea.

Seeing how he was filmed putting his hand around a players throat. All while believing the video would show that he didn't do it.

 

[Russ Wood]

And you can bet that everytime he gets a new gig, E$PN will run a story, "While head coach at Rutgers....."

No biggie because Rutgers fired him.

 

[Plum Street]

Rice should get another chance. That sort of stuff went on everywhere at this level. Basically every school burned their practice tapes after the rice story aired.

 

[Russ Wood]

Rice should get another chance. That sort of stuff went on everywhere at this level. Basically every school burned their practice tapes after the rice story aired.

Yeahhhh, that's not true.

 

[SkilletHead2]

To be fair, Skillet, the infamous tape was a collection of snippets shot by a treacherous assistant angling for the job. The technique has been used forever for "man in the street" samplings to demonstrate how dumb people, college students--whoever-are. You record 25 people and keep the four who give the most clueless answers.

What Rice did was bad. But the sainted (by some) Coach K is known to have the foulest mouth among notable coaches, perhaps among all coaches. You can see during games how he scrunches up his face, which darkens, and he makes an angry comment to the ref and you have to wonder what he is like at practice when things are not going well. He is notorious for locking the team out of practice when piqued. There are many coaches that would not want their actions in practice chronicled. Bob Knight. Matt Doherty. Wimp Sanderson--a host more. Am sure Mike Rice has learned from his time at RU, and deserves another chance.
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Most of it I don't really mind. Had worse things in my HS days (but a different era). Except for the anti-gay slurs. To me, that crossed the line.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Don't care if he never gets another college job.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Did anything ever happen to Murdock for what he did (other than his restaurant going out of business) ?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Has he really learned? Didn't he get kicked of a HS game a few months later?

So many people deserve chances, why does a guy who disrespected players as people deserve another?

 

[RUenvsci]

The guy deserves a second chance. A long time has passed now, and I hope other schools will not count this against the guy. I can understand why he would not be welcomed back by RU. But other schools? Come on.... no harm in starting him off as a lowly assistant and allowing him to work his way through the ranks again.

 

[RU82]

Good guy, good coach.

Poster child casualty of the wussification of America.

Hope he gets another chance somewhere.

The worst thing he ever did was hire an entitled, backstabbing snake like Murdoch. His players didn’t have a problem with him. Neither did his assistant coaches.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Biruta, Poole and Kone certainly had a problem with him.

 

[RU82]

Biruta, Poole and Kone certainly had a problem with him.

Biruta absolutely did not. He poo pooed the ‘abuse’ narrative every time he was asked about it. People reached out to him two years after he left to ask about Mike Rice and he poo pooed the abuse narrative again.

Mike Rice was not disliked by his players. He just wasn’t. No coach who operates with Rice’s level of intensity is loved by every player. But none of his kids felt abused by their coach. That was pure fiction.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Dane Miller is not sending Mike Rice Christmas card either.

We agree to disagree. You are tolerant to ethnic slurs and I am not. I think treated people with dignity is very important. I would NEVER EVER send my son to play for him. The character of the coach is as important as the school and the facilities in our process.

 

[Russ Wood]

I know that the Team Rio kids LOVE Mike Rice.

no harm in starting him off as a lowly assistant...

WOW.

 

[RUenvsci]

I know that the Team Rio kids LOVE Mike Rice.

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WOW.

Probably not the best choice of words on my part. What I meant to say is that if no school wants to take a chance on him as a head coach, then fine. But as an assistant, they shouldn’t be worried. Guy deserves a second chance to work his way up again.

 

[Seton75]

Most of it I don't really mind. Had worse things in my HS days (but a different era). Except for the anti-gay slurs. To me, that crossed the line.

I know coaches gave thrown balls at kids forever, but having a mgr standing next to him like he was his ammo depot was too too much. I hope the guy has control of his demon and gets a chance soon.

The guy, imo, is a good coach.

 

[RU82]

Dane Miller is not sending Mike Rice Christmas card either.

We agree to disagree. You are tolerant to ethnic slurs and I am not. I think treated people with dignity is very important. I would NEVER EVER send my son to play for him. The character of the coach is as important as the school and the facilities in our process.

The slurs he threw at some players during practice were not Mike Rice being Mike Rice. It was Mike Rice role playing RU’s competition as having no respect for them as players. That he personally treated people with that level of disrespect is all part of the fictional abuse narrative.

 

[Russ Wood]

Probably not the best choice of words on my part. What I meant to say is that if no school wants to take a chance on him as a head coach, then fine. But as an assistant, they shouldn’t be worried. Guy deserves a second chance to work his way up again.

There have been some coaches interested in bringing him on as an assistant but they haven't been able to get the blessings of their Administration

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The slurs he threw at some players during practice were not Mike Rice being Mike Rice. It was Mike Rice role playing RU’s competition as having no respect for them as players. That he personally treated people with that level of disrespect is all part of the fictional abuse narrative.

You can chose to believe that.....and if you do it still so unbelievably wrong.

 

[RU82]

You can chose to believe that.....and if you do it still so unbelievably wrong.

It’s just the truth. You don’t have to appreciate the mentor/tormentor approach but there’s a reason why every effective military in the world employs it as its means for toughening up young men and challenging them to push beyond their pre-conceived limits.

 

[rubaseball78]

Dane Miller is not sending Mike Rice Christmas card either.

We agree to disagree. You are tolerant to ethnic slurs and I am not. I think treated people with dignity is very important. I would NEVER EVER send my son to play for him. The character of the coach is as important as the school and the facilities in our process.

I agree with you here. While I have seen and experienced everything on that video, I don't agree with that style of coaching and would not send my son or daughter to play for that type of coach either.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It’s just the truth. You don’t have to appreciate the mentor/tormentor approach but there’s a reason why every effective military in the world employs it as its means for toughening up young men and challenging them to push beyond their pre-conceived limits.

I am glad we have Steve Pikiell

 

[RU82]

I am glad we have Steve Pikiell

I like Pike too. I just think it very unfortunate that Mike Rice was demonized the way he was. He didn’t deserve it. He’s not the person many people, apparently you included, have been propagandized into believing he was.

 

[Sideline20]

It’s just the truth. You don’t have to appreciate the mentor/tormentor approach but there’s a reason why every effective military in the world employs it as its means for toughening up young men and challenging them to push beyond their pre-conceived limits.

This is correct. Mike Rice coached "being comfortable in chaos." Shaka Smart does the same thing. Smart calls it "Havoc." The difference is that Shaka brought in ROTC to do that part of the training. The next time Rice has a chance to coach I am sure that he will bring in the ROTC folks to coach that.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I like Pike too. I just think it very unfortunate that Mike Rice was demonized the way he was. He didn’t deserve it. He’s not the person many people, apparently you included, have been propagandized into believing he was.

It is unfortunate and sad that you feel this way.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

This is correct. Mike Rice coached "being comfortable in chaos." Shaka Smart does the same thing. Smart calls it "Havoc." The difference is that Shaka brought in ROTC to do that part of the training. The next time Rice has a chance to coach I am sure that he will bring in the ROTC folks to coach that.

Not sure why you can't be hard and push people out of their comfort zone without disrespecting humans. I think it is just down right lazy, the easy way.

This is 2018. The bar is now higher. All/most people expect to be treated with respect. Most want to be pushed to be better.

 

[Sideline20]

Not sure why you can't be hard and push people out of their comfort zone without disrespecting humans. I think it is just down right lazy, the easy way.

This is 2018. The bar is now higher. All/most people expect to be treated with respect. Most want to be pushed to be better.

Agreed - our current coaching staff is pushing the talent level as far and hard as they can AND doing it respectfully. We are in a much better place.

 

[rubaseball78]

I like Pike too. I just think it very unfortunate that Mike Rice was demonized the way he was. He didn’t deserve it. He’s not the person many people, apparently you included, have been propagandized into believing he was.

While I agree if you take snippets of everyone's bad moments and splice them together the coach comes off looking horrid. But I still don't believe that style of coaching is necessary.

 

[RU82]

Not sure why you can't be hard and push people out of their comfort zone without disrespecting humans. I think it is just down right lazy, the easy way.

This is 2018. The bar is now higher. All/most people expect to be treated with respect. Most want to be pushed to be better.

Rice never personally disrespected his players. He was impressing upon them during practice that their opponents had no respect for them, and he did that by role playing and speaking out loud what he wanted his team to believe was in their opponents heads about Rutgers players being soft and weak and not being worthy of playing on the same court etc.

You don’t have to like any of this or agree with the approach he used. But don’t fool yourself into thinking the Mike Rice ‘abuse’ scandal was anything other than a wholly contrived, taken out of context PC narrative. When Rice was suspended his players couldn’t imagine what it was about. Pretty much all of them had attended his practices when he recruited them after all. They knew what they were signing up for, as did their parents.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Rice never personally disrespected his players. He was impressing upon them during practice that their opponents had no respect for them, and he did that by role playing and speaking out loud what he wanted his team to believe was in their opponents heads about Rutgers players being soft and weak and not being worthy of playing on the same court etc.

You don’t have to like any of this or agree with the approach he used. But don’t fool yourself into thinking the Mike Rice ‘abuse’ scandal was anything other than a wholly contrived, taken out of context PC narrative. When Rice was suspended his players couldn’t imagine what it was about. Pretty much all of them had attended his practices when he recruited them after all. They knew what they were signing up for, as did their parents.

Am I to believe that making fun of the way Malick Kone talked was done to make him a better basketball player OR calling Biruta a Lithuanian ****** makes him a better basketball player? And more importantly is not personally disrespecting them.

Currently in the news is someone who is using "role playing" as an excuse.

 

[RUinFla]

It’s just the truth. You don’t have to appreciate the mentor/tormentor approach but there’s a reason why every effective military in the world employs it as its means for toughening up young men and challenging them to push beyond their pre-conceived limits.

OK, can see it in OCS, where the prospective officers are driven unmercifully. But those prospective officers may one day have to give an order they know will get some of their people killed. A basketball court is not a war zone.
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[RU82]

While I agree if you take snippets of everyone's bad moments and splice them together the coach comes off looking horrid. But I still don't believe that style of coaching is necessary.

It’s not necessary. But it is a legitimate approach to the craft - and not abusive in any way.