The countdown to Oden begins already

[DocRU]

The Oline isn't to blame for Laviano running left and carrying the ball in his right arm. Nor when he throws it right to the linebacker with no one in his face. Nor when he fails to even look downfield to a wide open Grant on that 3rd down that failed.
Laviano may be the perfect practice player, but he doesn't appear to be a gamer. Except for 1 game last year (Mich St), Laviano gets his numbers against bad defenses or in extensive garbage time.
The lack of playmakers may be true. But RU needs a playmaker at QB.
And its not like Washington has the best defense we will face. There are like 4 others in our division which will give us fits. That's right, I'm including Penn St.
Oden may not be ready at all this year for all we know. But perhaps by midseason when its time to save the recruiting momentum? A burned redshirt is not that costly with Lewis in the wings. And other dual threats on the recruiting trail.

 

[ScarletDog]

Oden will get broken in half in this offense. He needs about four years in the weight room.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Oden will get broken in half in this offense. He needs about four years in the weight room.

Exactly. No way do I want to see him behind this OL this season.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Hes got to play this year.

 

[Rutgers Man 22]

Greg Oden joined the squad?

I saw Tylin Odin at a practice this year. His legs are like pencils. I'd be honestly scared that he would get hit low and his legs would snap in half

 

[Knight Shift]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ed-malcolm-perry-comes-from-brigade/89833120/

Navy brings in quarterback from the stands after starter goes down
After Navy starting quarterback Tago Smith suffered a first half knee injury that kept him out the rest of the team's 52-16 victory against Fordham, freshman quarterback Malcolm Perry was pulled out of the brigade of Midshipmen to get dressed as a backup.

Perry, a 5-foot-9 player from Clarksville, Tenn., who did not dress for the game due to an illness, came out of the stands to add depth as an emergency signal caller. In the second half, as the Midshipmen were easily cruising past Fordham, Perry entered the game at quarterback in the fourth with Navy up 49-13 on Fordham. He led the Midshipmen on a 90-yard drive that ended with a field goal.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ed-malcolm-perry-comes-from-brigade/89833120/

Navy brings in quarterback from the stands after starter goes down
After Navy starting quarterback Tago Smith suffered a first half knee injury that kept him out the rest of the team's 52-16 victory against Fordham, freshman quarterback Malcolm Perry was pulled out of the brigade of Midshipmen to get dressed as a backup.

Perry, a 5-foot-9 player from Clarksville, Tenn., who did not dress for the game due to an illness, came out of the stands to add depth as an emergency signal caller. In the second half, as the Midshipmen were easily cruising past Fordham, Perry entered the game at quarterback in the fourth with Navy up 49-13 on Fordham. He led the Midshipmen on a 90-yard drive that ended with a field goal.

Apparently he wasn't THAT "ill."

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Can't believe Oden showed up on Campus with legs that only an Ostrich would envy.

If he shows up prepared to compete for the starting job, who knows. He might have won.

 

[ru-baby]

The Oline isn't to blame for Laviano running left and carrying the ball in his right arm. Nor when he throws it right to the linebacker with no one in his face. Nor when he fails to even look downfield to a wide open Grant on that 3rd down that failed.

Not sure how there is an argument against the above, but I see some still say he did nothing to get pulled (avoiding the bigger issue of what he did to CONTINUE to play)

 

[Caliknight]

My early prediction was Oden will be playing by mid year. I'm going to stand by that. He is the only QB that fits this offense on the roster.

 

[Knight Shift]

Not sure how there is an argument against the above, but I see some still say he did nothing to get pulled (avoiding the bigger issue of what he did to CONTINUE to play)

That would be Chris Ash. Why don't you question his statement at the Chris Ash show on Thursday night?

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

Can't believe Oden showed up on Campus with legs that only an Ostrich would envy.

If he shows up prepared to compete for the starting job, who knows. He might have won.

Proof that you know nothing about bodybuilding.

Gaining mass on the lower legs is the toughest challenge when it comes to bulking up. Even Schwarzanegger struggled with it for years. If you expected him to suddenly come to camp fresh out of high school from toothpick legs to tree trunk legs, you're clueless.

 

[letterman]

Laviano starts this year and there is no other realistic option that makes us better. Next year he will return as a two year starter and there is no chance ,or very little chance that a freshman will beat him out.

 

[RutgersSam]

Can't believe Oden showed up on Campus with legs that only an Ostrich would envy.

If he shows up prepared to compete for the starting job, who knows. He might have won.

Idiot

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Laviano starts this year and there is no other realistic option that makes us better. Next year he will return as a two year starter and there is no chance ,or very little chance that a freshman will beat him out.

Yup, and this is the problem. Laviano will start this year and next year. Which is why Oden needs to get some snaps.

 

[e5fdny]

So what happens if he does comes in and is still not the answer?

 

[Knight Shift]

So what happens if he does comes in and is still not the answer?

Reminds me of lyrics to a song by a newer band, Car Seat Headrest (just substitute the word "quarterback" for people):

I’ve known for a long time
I’m not getting what I want out of people
It took me a long time
To figure out I don’t know what I want
So you’ll ask "why?" and there will be no answer
Then you’ll ask for how long? and there will be no answer
Then you’ll ask "what can I do?" and there’ll be no answer
And eventually you will shut up
You have no right to be depressed
You haven’t tried hard enough to like it . . . . .

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

So what happens if he does comes in and is still not the answer?

Then we slow roast Coach Ash, and he learns a valuable lesson on his way out the door. When you take over a program, you might want to make sure you have the QB situation sorted out.

Coach Ash should have gone after two JUCO QB's, and quietly shown Laviano the door. The fact that Mehringer believes that Laviano can run his system, immediately causes me to question his competency as OC.

Laviano is a Patriot league QB, and the fact that Coach Ash is trying to force him to run a spread, is indicative of the fact that Coach is in over his head.

Remember Folks, this is his first rodeo. And yes, I blame Hobbs, because he could have at least interviewed Schiano.

 

[BelieveinRU]

Proof that you know nothing about bodybuilding.

Gaining mass on the lower legs is the toughest challenge when it comes to bulking up. Even Schwarzanegger struggled with it for years. If you expected him to suddenly come to camp fresh out of high school from toothpick legs to tree trunk legs, you're clueless.

I'm not OP but his upper legs are very small too

 

[D1ESEL44]

Then we slow roast Coach Ash, and he learns a valuable lesson on his way out the door. When you take over a program, you might want to make sure you have the QB situation sorted out.

Coach Ash should have gone after two JUCO QB's, and quietly shown Laviano the door. The fact that Mehringer believes that Laviano can run his system, immediately causes me to question his competency as OC.

Laviano is a Patriot league QB, and the fact that Coach Ash is trying to force him to run a spread, is indicative of the fact that Coach is in over his head.

Remember Folks, this is his first rodeo. And yes, I blame Hobbs, because he could have at least interviewed Schiano.

I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at this post. Urban Meyer didn't' think Ash was in over his head when he hired him to fix his defense that was underwhelming under Luke Fickel. Ash's schemes helped to bring OSU a national championship. Brett Bielma hired him to guide the D at Wisconsin. Guy was a D coordinator at Arkansas. D Coordinator at 3 Power 5 programs before the age of 40.

If Laviano continues that level of play against say New Mexico, then I would say it's time to ride the pine. By game 3, everyone will know what we have in terms of the talent. Trying to execute the read option for the very first time in the chaos of a live game, against a tough, stoudt Power 5 defense, is a tough way to cut your teeth - wouldn't you say? I'm not suggesting Laviano is the answer, and if he can't keep a D honest, then he should be benched. The problem is the backups have barely thrown a pass, and Rettig doesn't have the feet to really execute the Power Spread.

How do you know Hobbs didn't reach out to Schiano? With regards to the coaching search, you shouldn't try to pass off your opinions as facts.

 

[RU-05]

Odin is a very skinny kid. But I don't think that has anything to do with his willingness to prepare for the job.

I'm not near thinking he should be playing. Would much rather Allen, Gio or Rettig.

I'm also not pulling Laviano yet, but man, that leash is short.

 

[PaKnight]

Greg Oden joined the squad?

I saw Tylin Odin at a practice this year. His legs are like pencils. I'd be honestly scared that he would get hit low and his legs would snap in half

No, you saw Tylin Oden.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at this post. Urban Meyer didn't' think Ash was in over his head when he hired him to fix his defense that was underwhelming under Luke Fickel. Ash's schemes helped to bring OSU a national championship. Brett Bielma hired him to guide the D at Wisconsin. Guy was a D coordinator at Arkansas. D Coordinator at 3 Power 5 programs before the age of 40.

If Laviano continues that level of play against say New Mexico, then I would say it's time to ride the pine. By game 3, everyone will know what we have in terms of the talent. Trying to execute the read option for the very first time in the chaos of a live game, against a tough, stoudt Power 5 defense, is a tough way to cut your teeth - wouldn't you say? I'm not suggesting Laviano is the answer, and if he can't keep a D honest, then he should be benched. The problem is the backups have barely thrown a pass, and Rettig doesn't have the feet to really execute the Power Spread.

How do you know Hobbs didn't reach out to Schiano? With regards to the coaching search, you shouldn't try to pass off your opinions as facts.

Because Schiano said he was shocked that Rutgers didn't contact him.

And Coach Ash is a mid-western dude, who's learning about NJ on the fly. Rutgers is not Iowa nor is it Wisconsin. The school that most resembles Rutgers in the B10 is Purdue.

Coach Ash is toast. Instead of going with an experienced staff i.e. Maryland. He chose to go with an inexperienced staff and that was quite obvious yesterday.

Huge mistake. Every bad year is a two year set back. Two bad years, and all of a sudden, we're four years behind.

 

[REDRICH65]

We need to play two other QBs in the second half next week.

 

[D1ESEL44]

Because Schiano said he was shocked that Rutgers didn't contact him.

And Coach Ash is a mid-western dude, who's learning about NJ on the fly. Rutgers is not Iowa nor is it Wisconsin. The school that most resembles Rutgers in the B10 is Purdue.

Coach Ash is toast. Instead of going with an experienced staff i.e. Maryland. He chose to go with an inexperienced staff and that was quite obvious yesterday.

Huge mistake. Every bad year is a two year set back. Two bad years, and all of a sudden, we're four years behind.

If I have choice between hiring a coach who was actually part of a staff who won a natty, vs. a guy who has never won anything of significance, I think I would go with the guy who actually knows what it takes to win an NC. Schiano was the right guy to take us from the basement to respectability, when we played in a watered down Big East. I'm not sure he was the guy to make us competitive in a highly competitive Big 10 East.

You're writing off a coach after one friggin' game.

 

[rurichdog]

Our OC is also very green, having spent 1 year as WR coach at Houston, 1 year as co-OC of the Vad Lee Show, previously 4 years as a grad assistant.

This staff has a lot to learn, and it's all OTJ at this point.

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

I'm not OP but his upper legs are very small too

And I didnt say that they werent. Bulking up there is no cakewalk either. He's a narrow kid with a very narrow joint structure... not very conducive for supporting large amounts of lower body mass. You can't "add new muscles" you can only grow what is there. And if you don't have much leg mass to work with from the start then you're in for a challenge. He just needs to get his weight up and get stronger, which he will. But don't stand around expecting his legs to double or triple in size anytime soon or ever.

 

[koleszar]

And its not like Washington has the best defense we will face. There are like 4 others in our division which will give us fits. That's right, I'm including Penn St.
.

This one I sorely disagree with. Last year they proved to be a top defense in the country playing in a scoring pinball machine conference. They only lost a couple people from that defense and have several future pros on it. Sure there are other tough defenses we will face, but of this caliber maybe 1 and they might not be better than the one we just faced.. They're that good and proved it once again. You simply have to do a little research before making claims like this. You based this statement solely on your opinion.

 

[chrisru99]

Then we slow roast Coach Ash, and he learns a valuable lesson on his way out the door. When you take over a program, you might want to make sure you have the QB situation sorted out.

Coach Ash should have gone after two JUCO QB's, and quietly shown Laviano the door. The fact that Mehringer believes that Laviano can run his system, immediately causes me to question his competency as OC.

Laviano is a Patriot league QB, and the fact that Coach Ash is trying to force him to run a spread, is indicative of the fact that Coach is in over his head.

Remember Folks, this is his first rodeo. And yes, I blame Hobbs, because he could have at least interviewed Schiano.

Not for 2 million a year Schiano was making more than that when he left. He makes a million at Ohio state we rolled the dice and so far so good.

 

[RUTGERZ_R00LZ]

Our OC is also very green, having spent 1 year as WR coach at Houston, 1 year as co-OC of the Vad Lee Show, previously 4 years as a grad assistant.

This staff has a lot to learn, and it's all OTJ at this point.

I couldn't believe it then and I see the result now. Ash hires a 28 year old to be his OC. TWENTY-EIGHT years old. He is the youngest of all coordinators in P5 conferences. Yes, he has a lot to learn, and all on RU's time. Ridiculous.

 

[newwavedave1]

Oden needs to redshirt and compete for the job next season.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Oden needs to play, ASAP.

 

[ArminRU]

Then we slow roast Coach Ash, and he learns a valuable lesson on his way out the door. When you take over a program, you might want to make sure you have the QB situation sorted out.

Coach Ash should have gone after two JUCO QB's, and quietly shown Laviano the door. The fact that Mehringer believes that Laviano can run his system, immediately causes me to question his competency as OC.

Laviano is a Patriot league QB, and the fact that Coach Ash is trying to force him to run a spread, is indicative of the fact that Coach is in over his head.

Remember Folks, this is his first rodeo. And yes, I blame Hobbs, because he could have at least interviewed Schiano.

Should have known you're a Schiano sack rider. Get a life.

 

[sct1111]

Oden needs to play, ASAP.

Oden is not close to being ready to play.

If we put him in against OSU, Michigan MSU and Iowa we would ruin him. The kid is a project but is promising. Give him a year or two to develop and put on some muscle.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Should have known you're a Schiano sack rider. Get a life.

Not a chance, but you certainly give the old Coach an interview. You pick his brain, and figure out what you don't know.

Unless of course you believe that Hobbs knows more than Schiano, lol.

and yes you get Oden some snaps. You only get better by playing.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It's like listening to the teachers from Peanuts when this guy talks.

 

[ArminRU]

Not a chance, but you certainly give the old Coach an interview. You pick his brain, and figure out what you don't know.

Unless of course you believe that Hobbs knows more than Schiano, lol.

and yes you get Oden some snaps. You only get better by playing.

Oden needs to learn how to run the offense first. He's not going to magically jump past Allen, Gio and Rettig because you want him to. I do hope he can get there this year though, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[miketd1]

I said this in another thread but here goes:

As an Eagles fan, Chip Kelly could get away with so-so QBs (Sanchez, Foles) but without a "plus" line last year and a poor WR corps, opponents just rushed 4 & played coverage.

The spread doesn't really have too many long developing routes because you're typically in 6-man protection. The recievers MUST win and get open immediately or it becomes a scramble drill.

 

[MozRU]

Dennis Dixon was 205 when he was a senior at Oregon. 190 his sophomore and freshmen year.

 

[rubaseball78]

Odin came out of camp 5th or 6th on the depth chart. Backups don't get many reps once season starts. Don't see how he would jump 4 or 5 players within a couple weeks of training camp ending?