I can't find Macy Golder's salary on Data Universe, which leads me to believe she isn't an actual RU employee. Is that possible?
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I can't find Macy Golder's salary on Data Universe, which leads me to believe she isn't an actual RU employee. Is that possible?
That's the mystery of the day. One of the things we're trying to do is identify the specifics of the relationship between RVision and the university and determine the various accountabilities.
4Real & ruhudson sum up our concerns succinctly. Going into the job market (especially in '09-'10), it was common sense for all of us college seniors to "scrub" our social media of any photos/posts that could even remotely cause controversy in our intended work positions. And I'd imagine that anyone on the hiring side would be reasonably prudent to at least perform a social media search during the process. As opposed to a background check, it takes mere seconds and is virtually free.
Let's briefly ignore the hire being a PSU connection (which angers me as an R.U. fan), even that the hire wasn't someone from RU (I would rather a fellow student/alum got that opportunity a million times over). How can such a perceived lack of common sense, reasonable prudence, and now lack of accountability by the university/affiliates in even a basic hire instill confidence at any higher levels of management?
I get that it's a little bit of a head scratcher, but The grown men here hoping to get a young girl fired from her first big break because of the football team she roots for have black, ugly, warped souls. Good god. Can't we all agree that Macy is an innocent party who doesn't deserve to be fired but maybe IN THE FUTURE this job should go to a Rutgers student? or recent grad?
Are you talking about the #help tweet? If so, good grief....you make it sound like she posted photos of herself burning Rutgers pennants while funneling beers in her underwear and giving the camera the finger. Nobody of a sane or rational mind tihnks the #help tweet is anything to get worked up about.
I don't disagree with that. I said as much last night - that the issue, here, isn't so much "this person", per se. The issue is the overall lack of oversight and accountability. That has to change and it has to change going forward. We can't get this particular horse back in the barn and it's probably not worth trying. But we can certainly take steps to ensure that the appropriate controls are put in place so that RVision and its operation reflects more positively on the athletic department.
Very well said. Another classic example of a terrible vetting process turning into an accountability issue. Haven't seen this much duck and cover since a little school east of Pittsburgh was in the news a few years ago.
Levaos...best post in the thread. Everyone needs to chill. And while I have certainly disagreed with NewNew like all the time, I think he has unfairly and unnecessary bashed here and people too eager to point fingers.
I think that for Rvision to be successful, they should hire the best person available for the job.
The JoePa kissing picture sucks to look at, but honestly... who cares?
I trust the people that run Rvision, that they hired the best person available.
This isn't a big deal.
There's no reason to get all "storm the castle" over this.
If you want to channel your rage somewhere: write your legislator, and complain the the American Dream giveaway is s boondoggle, and that the money should be invested in the state U's infrastructures.
p.s. I support John O.'s strategy on thread management here, fwiw.
The JoePa kissing picture sucks to look at, but honestly... who cares?
I trust the people that run Rvision, that they hired the best person available.
This isn't a big deal.
There's no reason to get all "storm the castle" over this.
If you want to channel your rage somewhere: write your legislator, and complain the the American Dream giveaway is s boondoggle, and that the money should be invested in the state U's infrastructures.
p.s. I support John O.'s strategy on thread management here, fwiw.
Don't lump me in with anyone suggesting she be fired. On the contrary, I think the fallout from firing her would be compounded 100x over, because, well, we're RU and that's the way that cookie often crumbles. I don't want her fired in anyway whatsoever. I wish her well and hopes she kills it.
Second, there were more tweets than the #help one. They have been posted here and elsewhere.
However, I think there needs to be some transparency in the process. And I don't think it's out of line for whomever is responsible to issue some statement/guidance regarding the process.
And the actions of the mods here, perhaps with nothing more than the best interest of Macy at heart, made the entire situation look even worse by deleting about 5 threads in a matter of 20 minutes. Additionally, the PR expert is engaging in a Twitter war with people the other night, like a petulant teenager. Chris Carlin is wagging his chubby finger at the RU fan base. Hladik is tweeting about how he has seen Cuse and WV alums do "great things" for RU in the past, so #giveherachance. When viewed in it's entirety, it make for a curious series of events.
I've been around long enough to know that ,when everybody involved suddenly becomes Sgt. Schultz, something not so above board went on. If there was a simple explanation you would have heard it. The whole deleting of threads respectfully asking legit questions just reinforced my initial skepticism.
If I was an RU student who applied to this job and didn't get, right now I would be rightfully really pissed.
The truth about to whom she is connected will come to light eventually. Could be as simple as somebody passing along a resume without really knowing the candidate. But I doubt it.
edit- I want to make clear that I do not blame the girl who got this job in any way and don't want her fired. I hope she does well and succeeds. It's the process that sucks (or sucked).
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the NJ media guys who went for RU know the business...I would listen to what they have to say on the subject. Its not curious. Its just being made a mountain out of a molehill here....and usually the board is the one to downplay things, now their panties are wadded up.
you can almost guarantee that a few yahoo RU fans will go up to this girl and act like aholes
you can almost guarantee that a few yahoo RU fans will go up to this girl and act like aholes
LL, I don't see the sentiment in this thread that this young woman should be fired. I think the concern is more that the process to fill this position didn't seem to make any effort to bring in someone associated with Rutgers and who would have a much more positive vibe for RU.
Bottom line the hire of this girl was typical Rutgers. RVision should be hiring the best within the RUTGERS community to develop and groom our own. I would rather watch a not as qualified Rutgers communications student learn the ropes within the industry then this girl who enjoys kissing on JoePa and bashing Rutgers. RVision will not see a dime of my money if this is what we can expect.
Um, not even close; if I'm not mistaken, the tweets shown in this thread are the ones left after the account was "scrubbed". There were photos and other tweets that were of legitimate concern and have since been deleted after the hire and controversy. But out of respect for John & this thread I'm not going to rehash them. Unless you saw the original thread on this, there's no basis for your silly post.
I didn't realize there were other negative tweets and posts. Sorry, I wasn't following this very closely. I've been too busy watching the Yankees implode in a fiery cataclysm.
And posts like this, baiting people you disagree with, will ultimately get the thread deleted.
Nobody here has their "panties in a wad." The topic is being actively discussed across social media and now within the department.
Why is it verboten here?
That was unfortunate, because those threads were deleted because they were getting ugly, with people actually email the sports administration that she should be fired. John tried to explain why subsequent threads usually get deleted in this locked thread below: Why?
Checking a candidate's social media for objectionable content or content that shows a lack of judgment is par for the course nowadays. My firm rejected a candidate for a position last week, in part, because the candidate was bashing her current employer on Twitter and cursing. I understand there may be a difference here, but if her social media was checked, I'd like to know what the rationale was in finding it acceptable. And if it wasn't, I'd like to know why not. As I said, nowadays it's SOP for just about any hire.
Luicci is the Senior Director of Digital Media. He has no oversight over RVision & didn't make this hire?
“Hello, sir. Would you like to buy this lovely bridge here? Its on sale for today only. Think of all the money you could make from tolls.”
“Hello, sir. Would you like to buy this lovely bridge here? Its on sale for today only. Think of all the money you could make from tolls.”
This is not only true, it's true in some cases to an extreme.
Covance Pharmaceuticals (Bob Barchi used to be on the BoD, if he still isn't) conducts background checks on all employees and contractors. They flat-out say that they're not so much interested in finances or criminality as they are in social media. If your social media reveals any attachment or affiliation whatsoever to animal rights groups, they won't let you in the door.
Like I said up yonder ^^ I think that RVision will shortly be brought under control with respect to the AD's office. Julie and her team have learned a lot in the past couple of years and they've shown themselves, recently, to be pretty competent when it comes to things like agility and lessons learned. I, for one, am confident that the circumstances surrounding this hire will in the fullness of time be shown as an aberration and that future hires will avoid any similar missteps.
Agree completely. I worked for Covance (now LabCorp) in 2007. I could have been Walter White and been fine as long as I didn't get PETA pamphlets sent to my house.
"you can almost guarantee that a few yahoo RU fans will go up to this girl and act like aholes"
And this is the real world, expected fallout for RU Athletics allowing this sort to hire to happen. How difficult is this to anticipate? So now you have a young female "sideline" reporter who will have to deal with the dynamic, as will RU athletics.
Hopefully the administration and RU Athletics are tuning in to this, and hopefully they take corrective measures, as a priority. I'm not suggesting firing the new hire, but perhaps limiting her exposure while bringing in another individual, either an RU student or recent grad, to share the duties. This could be the wise path.
I get that you guys have to keep order. I totally respect that.
In my reading of the thread before deletion I didn't see any of what you are referencing. If folks were posting advocating contacting the AD to get her fired, I understand the delete. Although a " knock off the emails to the AD trying to get a young lady fired for something that is not her fault" post by a mod may have sufficed and not riled folks up as much. The appearance was that the deletes were to shut down the discussion of something potentially embarrassing. Which would be bad if true. As you well know appearances are everything.
I trust the motives of John and the mods here. Which is why I was surprised by the deletes and said so in a post.
My take is, if somebody does something stupid, we shouldn't compound the mistake by trying hide it. Rip the band-aid off and get it over with. I am not for one second buying the whole "nobody knows how this hire happened" nonsense.
Data universe is usually from year prior, she might not have made cutoff.Having said that, I to am upset about this hire. Most intelligent, business new hires, know to scrub their Facebook especially in this type of environment, not too impressed by her actions and lack of common sense.
No it's ridiculous. Can you image applying for a job at say Exxon with a twitter full of anti-Exxon/oil twits? You'd never get the job.
Plus do you really expect the fan of a rival program to not let some of that fan-ness into her reporting? I can't wait to see her report on the RU TTFP game.
Perhaps their true loyalty lies with Mets and not Rutgers...
The only way I can relate to this is If an opposing player was traded to us that my team-mates and I hated, the day he joined us he'd be totally imbraced.
So iin today's world, if I was playing for the Devils and said the Rangers suck, but I was a 40 goal scorer, the day I was traded to the Rangers, I'd be loved.
In short, I agree this position should have gone to an RU student....the fact she rooted against us and put it on social media while a PSU student is 100% irrelevant to me.
I didn't read the deleted threads (and obviously can't read them now), but I don't really know what the hubbub is about.
* RVision hired a sideline reporter who didn't go to Rutgers. Sure it would have been nice to hire a Rutgers grad, but it isn't a requirement. This isn't a student group, it is a professional group. Chris Carlin didn't go to Rutgers. That didn't disqualify him from being the Rutgers radio announcer.
* We don't know who made the hiring decision or how the decision was made for a low-level (essentially entry-level) job. So what? I don't know who made the hiring decision for my ticket rep or Athletic Development rep either. I agree that it would be a bad practice if Rutgers allowed a donor, like Jon N, to make the hire. But Jon N says that he wasn't involved.
* The young lady is a PSU alumna and rooted for PSU when she was a student. Big deal. I wouldn't have expected anything less.
* The young lady failed to scrub her social media pages to remove the types of anti-RU posts that we could expect from a PSU student. That is unfortunate, and is mostly on the young lady in question. Especially since she was looking for a media job, she should have been aware that her media presence (including social media) is important. Also shame on her mentors at PSU for not giving her better guidance. But this is an entry-level job, and I expect that she has learned a lesson. Hopefully she gets better guidance from her supervisors at RVision.
What am I missing?
* RVision hired a sideline reporter who didn't go to Rutgers. Sure it would have been nice to hire a Rutgers grad, but it isn't a requirement. This isn't a student group, it is a professional group. Chris Carlin didn't go to Rutgers. That didn't disqualify him from being the Rutgers radio announcer.
* We don't know who made the hiring decision or how the decision was made for a low-level (essentially entry-level) job. So what? I don't know who made the hiring decision for my ticket rep or Athletic Development rep either. I agree that it would be a bad practice if Rutgers allowed a donor, like Jon N, to make the hire. But Jon N says that he wasn't involved.
* The young lady is a PSU alumna and rooted for PSU when she was a student. Big deal. I wouldn't have expected anything less.
* The young lady failed to scrub her social media pages to remove the types of anti-RU posts that we could expect from a PSU student. That is unfortunate, and is mostly on the young lady in question. Especially since she was looking for a media job, she should have been aware that her media presence (including social media) is important. Also shame on her mentors at PSU for not giving her better guidance. But this is an entry-level job, and I expect that she has learned a lesson. Hopefully she gets better guidance from her supervisors at RVision.
What am I missing?
I don't understand this response. I could certainly guess at what you mean, but there is a good chance I'd misinterpret your actual intent. Can you elaborate.
There were other reasons for that IMO. THAT'S what you're missing. LOL
And who is this NewNew person? I guess I feel I should know who that is but can't figure it out.
For me its simple. I don't care where she is from. I care about these things (which I don't know are true or not true, but should have been investigated)
1. I do care if someone who is a potential hire of Rvision has posted social media bashing Rutgers.
2. I do care if a potential hire of Rvision who was seen kissing a Jopa statue defends his actions or anybody else's actions who covered up child abuse.
3. I do care that an organization that asked for donations and had been used to bring content Free content to fans is now using some of their content on a paid platform forcing those who donated to pay again to watch.
4. I do care that Rvision that requested donations from fans to provide content to fans have a clear hiring policy which rewards RU students and alumni whenever possible for entry level positions and internships. What is their hiring policy?
If her social media background and resume are clean, and there are no other qualified Rutgers students or ALumni who want the job, then fine. But was this the case?
1. I do care if someone who is a potential hire of Rvision has posted social media bashing Rutgers.
2. I do care if a potential hire of Rvision who was seen kissing a Jopa statue defends his actions or anybody else's actions who covered up child abuse.
3. I do care that an organization that asked for donations and had been used to bring content Free content to fans is now using some of their content on a paid platform forcing those who donated to pay again to watch.
4. I do care that Rvision that requested donations from fans to provide content to fans have a clear hiring policy which rewards RU students and alumni whenever possible for entry level positions and internships. What is their hiring policy?
If her social media background and resume are clean, and there are no other qualified Rutgers students or ALumni who want the job, then fine. But was this the case?
The problem ,as I see it, is that someone either didn't know(how is that possible?) or didn't care that the vast majority of RU fans do not like psu .Now the goal will be to convert this young lady into becoming an RU believer.
The only knock on Macy is that she wasn't savvy enough to delete prior social media posts concerning an employer she was interviewing with and didn't subsequently delete them after she was hired. She's got the job, and the only thing that should take it away at this point is poor job performance going forward. She will surely face a bit of a rockier road, though, than Taryn Hatcher did.
The scrutiny here is on RVision.
The first question is: how connected is RVision to the Athletic Department? Are they their own separate entity, or do they fall under the AD umbrella? Or some combination? No one seems to be able to clearly point out the organizational tree for RVision. If this was about an assistant coach or grad assistant or whatever, it's very clear where that person falls in the food chain. There's really no clarity about whether RVision falls in the athletic department food chain at all. Does RU supply any money/support to RVision, or is it all private funding?
The second question is: why was RVision so dense? This is a visible communications position, one of the faces of the RVision organization - optics are important. Especially so in sports, where fanbases are incredibly tuned in to even the smallest details. Things like social media searches should be a given. Hiring candidates from rival schools *has* to be a consideration - and there needs to be a PR plan in place if (when) that becomes an issue down the line. (e.g. no matter how good he might be for the job, the Yankees aren't going to hire Pedro Martinez to be a media face of the franchise lest Facebook explode with gifs of him tossing Don Zimmer). This is compounded by how the first question is answered - is this just RVision being tone deaf, or is it the Rutgers Athletic Department being tone deaf and/or oblivious?
The third question is: where do we go from here? If RVision truly is an extension of the athletic department (which it is functionally, if not organizationally), there really should be a commitment to supporting the RU community. It should absolutely be an opportunity for RU students/grads to get exposure and to give them some advantage when heading out into the job market. If WRSU was bringing in talent from other schools, or the Targum, or whatever, it would also be a head-scratcher. There should really be some sort of "show cause" language in their hiring practices - only look outside the RU sphere when there is no acceptable RU candidate.
Hopefully the attention this hire has gotten will effect some positive change going forward, and provide more clarity into the RVision/RU relationship.
The scrutiny here is on RVision.
The first question is: how connected is RVision to the Athletic Department? Are they their own separate entity, or do they fall under the AD umbrella? Or some combination? No one seems to be able to clearly point out the organizational tree for RVision. If this was about an assistant coach or grad assistant or whatever, it's very clear where that person falls in the food chain. There's really no clarity about whether RVision falls in the athletic department food chain at all. Does RU supply any money/support to RVision, or is it all private funding?
The second question is: why was RVision so dense? This is a visible communications position, one of the faces of the RVision organization - optics are important. Especially so in sports, where fanbases are incredibly tuned in to even the smallest details. Things like social media searches should be a given. Hiring candidates from rival schools *has* to be a consideration - and there needs to be a PR plan in place if (when) that becomes an issue down the line. (e.g. no matter how good he might be for the job, the Yankees aren't going to hire Pedro Martinez to be a media face of the franchise lest Facebook explode with gifs of him tossing Don Zimmer). This is compounded by how the first question is answered - is this just RVision being tone deaf, or is it the Rutgers Athletic Department being tone deaf and/or oblivious?
The third question is: where do we go from here? If RVision truly is an extension of the athletic department (which it is functionally, if not organizationally), there really should be a commitment to supporting the RU community. It should absolutely be an opportunity for RU students/grads to get exposure and to give them some advantage when heading out into the job market. If WRSU was bringing in talent from other schools, or the Targum, or whatever, it would also be a head-scratcher. There should really be some sort of "show cause" language in their hiring practices - only look outside the RU sphere when there is no acceptable RU candidate.
Hopefully the attention this hire has gotten will effect some positive change going forward, and provide more clarity into the RVision/RU relationship.
