Just as all the Newhouse School of Communications grads that litter the sports media world were the sure fire best candidates for their slots. Not cause the 'Cuse old boy network kicked in.
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Exactly.
Would Michigan hire an OSU grad for this position? With tweets of her making out with a Woody Hayes statute and crying for help from the Michigan student union?
It's OBVIOUSLY all about the optics. Which is sorta ironic, because the person saying he's never "been more embarrassed of the fan base" runs a PR company...
As for the best candidate talk, lets be real.
We didn't hire a new Director of Digital Communications after an exhaustive nation wide search and that candidate happens to be a PSU alum. That is slightly more understandable.
We hired a candidate who was reporting on PA HS football 3 months ago. The bulk of her experience is on State Penn student media.
I have a hard time believing that she was the "best" candidate for a job that doesn't require much in the way of credentials to begin with. Mr. Neuman can't have it both ways. You can't suggest on Twitter that this is a do nothing, entry level position and then have supporters suggest that she was the best candidate for the job. That dog doesn't hunt either.
On the other hand, I can be pretty easily convinced that someone handing in her resume and on air tape and suggested she get an interview. And I'm not naive. I know that's the way the world works. But now RVision has to own it.
We didn't hire a new Director of Digital Communications after an exhaustive nation wide search and that candidate happens to be a PSU alum. That is slightly more understandable.
We hired a candidate who was reporting on PA HS football 3 months ago. The bulk of her experience is on State Penn student media.
I have a hard time believing that she was the "best" candidate for a job that doesn't require much in the way of credentials to begin with. Mr. Neuman can't have it both ways. You can't suggest on Twitter that this is a do nothing, entry level position and then have supporters suggest that she was the best candidate for the job. That dog doesn't hunt either.
On the other hand, I can be pretty easily convinced that someone handing in her resume and on air tape and suggested she get an interview. And I'm not naive. I know that's the way the world works. But now RVision has to own it.
http://www.scarletknights.com/school-bio/athl-communication.html
The Director of RVision is Colin Osborne. He reports under Kevin Lorincz, who is Sr Assoc Athletic Director for Communications. Lorincz reports to Julie Hermann.
Upstream -- "But this is an entry-level job ..."
And that's exactly why an RU student or recent grad should have been hired.
Upstream -- "This isn't a student group, it is a professional group ..."
Didn't realize that a "professional group" needed to beg for money from diehard RU fans on this board and elsewhere. That's not the way Rvision was presented a year ago. Yeah, so I'm one of those chumps (RU fan and SC+I alum) that made a 4-figure gift when Newman was soliciting because I thought it was to keep non-rev games available online for RU fans FOR FREE and also be a training ground for RU students looking to get into the biz. OK, so I was hosed. I won't forget it the next time Sarah B or someone else is begging for money for a "Rutgers" program. Geez, I hope that my donation for the field hockey locker room was used in Piscataway and not in Happy Valley.
And that's exactly why an RU student or recent grad should have been hired.
Upstream -- "This isn't a student group, it is a professional group ..."
Didn't realize that a "professional group" needed to beg for money from diehard RU fans on this board and elsewhere. That's not the way Rvision was presented a year ago. Yeah, so I'm one of those chumps (RU fan and SC+I alum) that made a 4-figure gift when Newman was soliciting because I thought it was to keep non-rev games available online for RU fans FOR FREE and also be a training ground for RU students looking to get into the biz. OK, so I was hosed. I won't forget it the next time Sarah B or someone else is begging for money for a "Rutgers" program. Geez, I hope that my donation for the field hockey locker room was used in Piscataway and not in Happy Valley.
This sums up the lapse in logic succinctly. Tuesday evening, social media was ablaze with defenders saying this is an "entry level job." Now, people here are suggesting Ms. Golder is the best candidate for the job. Besides being ridiculous on its face, I think many of us would like an accounting of the process that determined she is the most qualified.
kthanks...
Yup. Again and again, no one knows, no one does what their supposed to, I.e. vet the candidate . Again and again this happens.
And while I appreciate Jon's input, we're now left with something of an even bigger mystery thanks to his statements.
Because now it seems that nobody knows who hired this individual. AD's office doesn't know. RVision's largest benefactor doesn't know.
I can't find any historical record of the job posting - and Rutgers, being a state institution, is required to publically post for all positions.
So assuming everyone is telling the truth, we seem to be sitting in the middle of yet another example of "shit got all blown up because no one is accountable".
Which, I firmly believe, is how RU as an institution winds up looking so frequently tone deaf in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, It seems that RVision does not seem to understand it's target market and it's motivations and passions. And they don't seem to understand that this passion is the reason for their very existence.
Either that or they just don't care and are turning into a patronage pit.
This is funny but spot on.
Read my post. I would have rather seen this spot go to an RU student to learn the ropes of the industry than an outside girl (especially one that likes to kiss and JoePa and diss Rutgers). And I call bs on being the most qualified. I've watched her first few videos and nothing struck me as extraordinary.
Is everyone working at R VISION getting paid? Are there any interns, work-study positions to offset the cost of these positions? Shouldn't the sideline reporter be a student intern or paid intern? If they do a good job then possibly they get a job offer post graduation. Or the next student intern takes over for any who graduates. I have to imagine that there are many students that would want this kind of opportunity and would do it at a very low cost to RVision and the athletic department. To me, the real issue is that RVISION should be student run, giving RU students the opportunity to get real work experience. Why is that not happening in this case?
Fair enough.
I do believe this is essentially an entry-level job, where the only real requirement is to be eye candy while having enough on-air presence and knowledge that it isn't obvious that you are eye-candy (which makes the argument of being "most qualified" completely subjective). And while I think it would have been nice to hire a Rutgers alum, I seem to be less bothered than most here that the job went to someone else.
I didn't pay attention to Jon N's RVision plea's here last year, so I don't really know what he promised in those threads. But from the stuff I found through a google search on the RVision campaign, it doesn't look like the official stuff positioned RVision as a training ground for RU students or alumni. http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...-donors-rutgers-fundraising-changes/13840623/ and http://rvisionstarter.tumblr.com/
But RVision is not a student group. It is part of the Athletic Department, and is staffed by paid employees. Just like other paid jobs at Rutgers, there is no requirement to be a Rutgers alumni.
I assume the fund raising for RVision, like all Athletic Department fund raising, is used in part to pay for equipment, salaries, and other expenses. Many years ago, I donated to the Basketball program, and the Basketball program went out and hired an assistant coach who was a former basketball player at our arch-rival Seton Hall. He was a pretty good assistant. (In fact, many Rutgers fans would like to be our head coach.) The fact that he is an alumnus of our arch-rival at the time didn't disqualify him from the job, nor make me complain that my donations were misappropriated.
I understand why some may be upset about RVision hiring a non-alumni. But I think it is an emotional overreaction.
I wanted to add some context here. Take it for what it is worth, though I think it will be important to some in this discussion. The woman in question is not an employee of the school. She was not hired. She is not being paid. She is an intern. She volunteers. Of the small # of people who expressed an interest in this position, she was the most polished, the most experienced, and the one who could deliver the best product on RVision's shoestring budget. I can totally understand both sides of the argument, but I felt that this piece of the puzzle needed to be added to the conversation.
Argh. When does the season start? This is frustrating because we've had pretty good press so far this summer.
I hope everyone realizes that this will be in the ledger shortly. Here's a quick message for Politi:
Please realize that most on this forum are NOT trying to get someone fired. Generally, folks want to make sure that that the individuals working for the university's digital media outlets have a good understanding of NJ and Rutgers University. Typically a Rutgers graduate will have this, and it's not uncommon for colleges and universities to hire their own graduates for online and social media positions. At the same time, it's important for the university to hire the most qualified candidates for any position. Our athletic department and football program employs many coaches, staff, and administrators who are not graduates of Rutgers University. If you'd like a good narrative for an article consider this a part of the budding rivalry between Rutgers and Penn State.
I hope everyone realizes that this will be in the ledger shortly. Here's a quick message for Politi:
Please realize that most on this forum are NOT trying to get someone fired. Generally, folks want to make sure that that the individuals working for the university's digital media outlets have a good understanding of NJ and Rutgers University. Typically a Rutgers graduate will have this, and it's not uncommon for colleges and universities to hire their own graduates for online and social media positions. At the same time, it's important for the university to hire the most qualified candidates for any position. Our athletic department and football program employs many coaches, staff, and administrators who are not graduates of Rutgers University. If you'd like a good narrative for an article consider this a part of the budding rivalry between Rutgers and Penn State.
Doesn't being an intern infer that she is getting college credit for the position? I know at every company I've worked for, hiring an intern required a statement from an academic advisor verifying they were a student doing this for credit and most had to write a paper on the internship. Is she actually a Rutgers student?
Why is an unpaid internship at Rutgers University even open to anyone other than a Rutgers student?
Then I retract my previous comments. If this is an unpaid internship, essentially a volunteer position, then it absolutely should have gone to a Rutgers student or recent alumnus to allow them to pad their resume.
And since the question of qualifications for this position is completely subjective, I find it hard to believe that there were no acceptable Rutgers candidates.
Of course, since this is an unpaid internship, the solution for RVision is easy. It costs them essentially nothing to bring in a second intern. So they should just bring in a second intern who is a Rutgers student/alumnus and split the sideline reporting responsibilities.
No. Not all internships provide credit.
Of course, if she is a Rutgers student (which I assume means graduate or second degree, since she graduated from PSU), then that changes the equation.
I agree with the first part and think most people could live with the second solution.
That does still leave us with the question of who thought it was a good idea to hire someone who talked shite about the school on social media, but I guess one step at a time.
Thanks John.
That certainly explains a ton about how she might have gotten hired and the lack of a paper trail/documentation. On the other hand, as an out of state fan I watched RVision all the time to see Rutgers sports before they were covered on BTN. MY son's HS down here in Florida had a media production program and put on a daily TV show for 20 minutes as well as broadcasting of games. I can assure you that the HS reporters were not much worse that the average RVision reporter. I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find a Rutgers student interested in the internship. However, at the end of the day, I am sure it will come out that she has a connection to someone in the AD department/Rutgers and that is why she is here.
Let's stop the bull crap about her qualifications. She is a PSU college grad with very limited experience and I bet the mortgage a connection to someone within Rutgers. So be it, that is how the world works. Hope she can do a decent job and I will be happy. As far as any abuse she receives for her social media, again so be it, that is how the world works.
These college kids gotta learn sometimes that sometimes things bounce your way and sometimes they don't. It's all part of the growing up process.
That certainly explains a ton about how she might have gotten hired and the lack of a paper trail/documentation. On the other hand, as an out of state fan I watched RVision all the time to see Rutgers sports before they were covered on BTN. MY son's HS down here in Florida had a media production program and put on a daily TV show for 20 minutes as well as broadcasting of games. I can assure you that the HS reporters were not much worse that the average RVision reporter. I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find a Rutgers student interested in the internship. However, at the end of the day, I am sure it will come out that she has a connection to someone in the AD department/Rutgers and that is why she is here.
Let's stop the bull crap about her qualifications. She is a PSU college grad with very limited experience and I bet the mortgage a connection to someone within Rutgers. So be it, that is how the world works. Hope she can do a decent job and I will be happy. As far as any abuse she receives for her social media, again so be it, that is how the world works.
These college kids gotta learn sometimes that sometimes things bounce your way and sometimes they don't. It's all part of the growing up process.
This is a pretty good solution. My previous post was before John let us know that it's an unpaid position. I'm guessing that things will get resolved. Let's not make mountains out of molehills (this is what we accuse the local media of doing on a regular basis).
I agree with those who are putting the spotlight on Rvision. I think we all want to see it be successful and bring us great internet content, as they have done in the past. But this hiring has brought up many questions that deserve answering concerning accountability, reporting relationships, and hiring policies.
I have expressed my opinion and conerns about this hire, and that I would like Rvision internships and entry level positions to go to RU students and alumni, but now that Ms. Golder has been hired, I would hope nobody would try to get her fired, and would also hope she is treated cordially and respectfully.
I have expressed my opinion and conerns about this hire, and that I would like Rvision internships and entry level positions to go to RU students and alumni, but now that Ms. Golder has been hired, I would hope nobody would try to get her fired, and would also hope she is treated cordially and respectfully.
Read the thread on the RU football Facebook page. The dots are easily connectable. And I'm not suggesting that anyone "got" her a job. I'm suggesting how she came to know of it.
I would like to address the response as a defense for Macy's hire that "the only mistake Macy made was not purging her social media accounts otherwise she is a good candidate".
To be quite honest, in this day and age, not straightening up your social media presence when applying for new jobs, especially when you know you have disparaged a prospective employer, is an indictment to her competence in and of itself. This is job hunting 101. There can't much going on "upstairs" if a person messes that up.
To be quite honest, in this day and age, not straightening up your social media presence when applying for new jobs, especially when you know you have disparaged a prospective employer, is an indictment to her competence in and of itself. This is job hunting 101. There can't much going on "upstairs" if a person messes that up.
@John Otterstedt would you be willing or able to clarify how you come by this information? I ask only because Mr. Newman has repeatedly stated that she is being paid. Not much, as one might expect, but she is being paid.
Incidentally - is there anyone else who thinks we should have just given the RVision job to Maureen Casey, and killed two birds with one stone? Gameday personnel get priority parking.
You guys have reached a whole new level of crazy. I started coming over to this board because every other post was about PSU and now I can't stop reading the car crash threads like this one.
The outrage on the internet these days has gotten completely out of hand. Do you realize what you guys have gone 3 pages complaining about? A PSU alum that tweeted pro-PSU tweets and made a TIC comment about being in the Rutger's bookstore was hired for an unpaid internship. There are employees at every university in the country that went to school elsewhere. I'm sure there are many other RU employees that went to PSU and many PSU employees that went to RU. And she isn't even actually an employee of Rutgers!
Get over it. You're embarrassing yourselves.
The outrage on the internet these days has gotten completely out of hand. Do you realize what you guys have gone 3 pages complaining about? A PSU alum that tweeted pro-PSU tweets and made a TIC comment about being in the Rutger's bookstore was hired for an unpaid internship. There are employees at every university in the country that went to school elsewhere. I'm sure there are many other RU employees that went to PSU and many PSU employees that went to RU. And she isn't even actually an employee of Rutgers!
Get over it. You're embarrassing yourselves.
You've managed to completely overlook the point and contradict yourself all at the same time.
Which renders your post ironic.
You've executed a perfect Internet Triple Lindy. 10.0, sir. 10.0.
I don't think you have any idea of what the issue is. You have misrepresented both the facts as understood as well as the opinions that have been stated. If anything is a "car crash" on this thread, it is the above quoted post.
Good luck Macy in your new role. Many (not all, so don't get your undies in a bundle) of the so called "fans" that post on this site consistently bash the program, the coach, the quarterback, the AD, the parking, the food at the stadium, and the 12 noon games, etc. So I am not sure it's so important to have a "Rutgers" person report on the team. By the way, you look good in scarlet.
Not to mention the fact that many of the people most vocal on this topic are, at the same time, among the most positive and vocal proponents of the program.
So he kinda created a strawman which I now feel comfortable ignoring.
I consider myself in the group of "positive and vocal proponents of the program." Maybe I am currently too busy with other things, but I am not that worked up about Macy and RVision. If Macy wants to make a positive impression, produce quality work and advance her career, I would think she would put her PSU allegiance aside when preparing and filming her RVision segments. In the few segments aired on the forum, she is doing a fine job.
I also think about it this way--if I was trying to get a start in my field by obtaining an internship or get a job at PSU or Maryland, and there was a job that interested me, I would hope that I would be considered and hired if I was the best available candidate for the internship or job, regardless of how much I cheered for Rutgers in the past.
