To all the Flood supporters

[coRycoRd]

Please explain this:
Floods record vs teams with a winning record: 4-20
Floods record vs teams with a losing record: 22-3

In games Rutgers has played vs winning teams they've been outscored 820-428 losing on average 34-18. Note two of the wins were in 2012 when Flood was given Schiano's experienced and talented defense.

In games Rutgers has played vs teams with losing record we've outscored opponents 764-479 winning on average 32-20. Note we played 4 FCS schools. So taking those schools out of the equation we are only outscoring our opponents 599-441 and an average of 30-22.

So what this says to me is Flood can squeak by bad teams with losing records but gets blown out by teams with winning records. So how does it make sense at all to keep him? With being in the B1G now we will have 5-8 teams a year with winning records. Does that mean we will be watching 5-8 blowouts a year? When is enough enough? Soon our schedule will no longer include the likes of Howard or Norfolk State and we will be forced to compete with quality teams, something Flood has failed to do time and time again.

As some likes to say on this board, "facts are facts" and these are the facts and it absolutely proves Flood is way over his head. And anyone who disagrees is just as dumb and just as stubborn as he is.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

As a Flood supporter, you are right. Kyle is a super nice guy but we have seen a quick unraveling of all that schiano built. Performance on the filed has collapsed, academic performance of the team has declined and the overall discipline of the program has greatly declined. You are right Flood is in way over his head.

 

[RUaMoose]

All the Flood supporters can fit inside a phone booth

 

[ru75]

What is harder to find? Flood supporters or phone booths?

 

[JERZEE73]

What is harder to find? Flood supporters or phone booths?

Where's slyker?

 

[MozRU]

1. There shouldn't be any Flood supporters anymore

2. For me, it wasn't about the losses. It was always about the blowouts. Because we are soooooooo behind in support from the state, the private school elite-ism, funding, facilities, I don't expect to beat OSU or Mich. But I expect to be another Indy for 10 years or so. PLAY HARD, PLAY SMART, BE IN THE GAME.

 

[MS-RU]

Where's slyker?

He probably got himself locked in a phone booth.

 

[jvdavy]

Once the secondary went to prison and Flood tried to coerce the professor of some ridiculous class to benefit one of the perps, he lost my support.

He lost the team off the field and that's a bigger problem than losing big to power programs. If we get blown out, at least do it with kids who can stay out of the police blotter.

 

[lighty]

I totally agree with Moz. Some of the people worried about replacing Flood bring up the question of who could do better. The truth is competing versus being blown out is doing better.

We may be lucky to have a shot at winning the conference once a decade like a Northwestern, but we should be able to compete with our divisional foes -- especially at home. It's supposed to be difficult for anyone to win on the road in the Big Ten, yet many of our worst losses were in Jersey. That needs to change.

 

[B0ski]

Where's slyker?

Him and rubob72 are doing great. Everything is going fine in their universe.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Once had hoped that Flood would grow into the job - he seems to generally be a decent guy - but too many things have happened & a pattern has emerged that indicates that he is just not the right guy for this job. He does not possess the necessary strategic perspective to take this team to where it needs to go and he has exhibited poor judgment on too many occasions. He lacks "vision" - basically he brings an "administrative mentality" to the game - and you don't 'administer' your way to victory . It is time to move on.
I don't want to endlessly disparage Flood... I don't wish him ill...I don't want to make him leave the building with his raincoat over his head
... I just don't want hear about him any more
.... I want this chapter over

 

[letterman]

I have been attending ru games faithfully for the past 50 years and have had season tickets for most of them. I also travel to a couple of away games each year. Graduated from ru and love my school. I don't care if flood stays or goes. I do not want some low level head coach from the mid major schools hired at this point. Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing. We need a proven winner with a reputation to turn this thing around. If we can't do it for whatever reason,then let it alone. No matter who coaches next year, I'll be there with my family,and will continue to do so until I can no longer walk into the stadium.

 

[RUchip]

1. There shouldn't be any Flood supporters anymore

2. For me, it wasn't about the losses. It was always about the blowouts. Because we are soooooooo behind in support from the state, the private school elite-ism, funding, facilities, I don't expect to beat OSU or Mich. But I expect to be another Indy for 10 years or so. PLAY HARD, PLAY SMART, BE IN THE GAME.

Trust me there are still Flood supporters. I could call them out but they are hiding in their shells

 

[knightfan7]

Trust me there are still Flood supporters. I could call them out but they are hiding in their shells

And what good would that do? I don't get these let's gang up on someone who feels differently threads. Other than maybe making you feel superior, what does it accomplish?

If Rutgers makes a change it better be a home run. Right now it can be said Rutgers football issues are a Kyle Flood problem. If a new coach comes in and fails it will be said it isn't the coach, it's that Rutgers itself is the problem. That'd be a hell of a lot worse.

 

[calvin2711]

I have been attending ru games faithfully for the past 50 years and have had season tickets for most of them. I also travel to a couple of away games each year. Graduated from ru and love my school. I don't care if flood stays or goes. I do not want some low level head coach from the mid major schools hired at this point. Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing. We need a proven winner with a reputation to turn this thing around. If we can't do it for whatever reason,then let it alone. No matter who coaches next year, I'll be there with my family,and will continue to do so until I can no longer walk into the stadium.

I understand your point letterman, but think about this. At this point, keeping Flood will likely do more harm that good. He will lose recruits. He will cause many to stop attending games. The losses and blowouts will get worse. Rutgers will become more of a joke than we are currently. You can count on it. The same thing might happen with an unproven hire, but at least there is a chance. All the great ones were unproven hires at some point. With Flood at the helm, the downward spiral is guaranteed. With someone else at least there can be a little glimmer of hope. Something has to be done.

I am saying this as someone who was supportive of Flood in the past and was hoping he was growing into the job. I was always for being patient due to Flood's unwavering integrity. We always had that to hold on to, that RU held themselves to a higher standard. The Barnwell situation and reading that report stripped all of that away. Even worse, it painted him as almost comical in his ineptitude. It really opened my eyes. So what is left is a poor recruiter and a poor coach. I cannot be patient any longer and I do not thing RU can afford to be either.

 

[calvin2711]

I have been attending ru games faithfully for the past 50 years and have had season tickets for most of them. I also travel to a couple of away games each year. Graduated from ru and love my school. I don't care if flood stays or goes. I do not want some low level head coach from the mid major schools hired at this point. Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing. We need a proven winner with a reputation to turn this thing around. If we can't do it for whatever reason,then let it alone. No matter who coaches next year, I'll be there with my family,and will continue to do so until I can no longer walk into the stadium.

I understand your point letterman, but think about this. At this point, keeping Flood will likely do more harm that good. He will lose recruits. He will cause many to stop attending games. The losses and blowouts will get worse. Rutgers will become more of a joke than we are currently. You can count on it. The same thing might happen with an unproven hire, but at least there is a chance. All the great ones were unproven hires at some point. With Flood at the helm, the downward spiral is guaranteed. With someone else at least there can be a little glimmer of hope. Something has to be done.

I am saying this as someone who was supportive of Flood in the past and was hoping he was growing into the job. I was always for being patient due to Flood's unwavering integrity. We always had that to hold on to, that RU held themselves to a higher standard. The Barnwell situation and reading that report stripped all of that away. Even worse, it painted him as almost comical in his ineptitude. It really opened my eyes. So what is left is a poor recruiter and a poor coach. I cannot be patient any longer and I do not thing RU can afford to be either.

 

[c_husk]

What is harder to find? Flood supporters or phone booths?

The younger generation is going to ask , what's a phone booth?

 

[krup]

I have been attending ru games faithfully for the past 50 years and have had season tickets for most of them. I also travel to a couple of away games each year. Graduated from ru and love my school. I don't care if flood stays or goes. I do not want some low level head coach from the mid major schools hired at this point. Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing. We need a proven winner with a reputation to turn this thing around. If we can't do it for whatever reason,then let it alone. No matter who coaches next year, I'll be there with my family,and will continue to do so until I can no longer walk into the stadium.

Why do you consider it "change for the sake of change"?

Even at RU's budget and getting "low level head coach from the mid major schools" it would still be:

Getting rid of a coach who had never proven himself as a coordinator or low level head coach, who has proven that he couldn't compete against winning teams as RU head coach, for someone who HAS proven himself as a coordinator or low level coach and MIGHT be able to compete against winning teams as RU head coach.

How is that "change for the sake of change" (without even bringing the off the field stuff into it)?

 

[B0ski]

And what good would that do? I don't get these let's gang up on someone who feels differently threads

. Other than maybe making you feel superior, what does it accomplish?

If Rutgers makes a change it better be a home run. Right now it can be said Rutgers football issues are a Kyle Flood problem. If a new coach comes in and fails it will be said it isn't the coach, it's that Rutgers itself is the problem. That'd be a hell of a lot worse.

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Funny how now that even the most dense Flood supporters have finally woken up and are starting to see what some have seen for years and others have seen for months, they are now ready to sing kumbaya. That wasn't their tone when they were arrogantly backing their boy Fludd. They are all backing down from their support, so transparent. Maybe if they had the balls to say they were wrong on Fludd the ganging up would not take place. Ok, now tell us how you never thought Fludd was the answer, it's OK.

 

[knightfan7]

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Funny how now that even the most dense Flood supporters have finally woken up and are starting to see what some have seen for years and others have seen for months, they are now ready to sing kumbaya. That wasn't their tone when they were arrogantly backing their boy Fludd. They are all backing down from their support, so transparent. Maybe if they had the balls to say they were wrong on Fludd the ganging up would not take place. Ok, now tell us how you never thought Fludd was the answer, it's OK.

Ok Wiseguy. Show me where I ever said Flood should or shouldn't be fired? I'll wait.

I have purposely stayed neutral on Flood's status the past month plus so that I could discuss that and other topics reasonably without anyone saying I had an agenda either way.

Excuse me for thinking this is a discussion site. I now understand unless you stand on the roof of a building screaming "Fire Everyone" you're a blind supporter of Flood.

And to be frank, you won't hear me singing Kumbaya. To do that you'd be assuming incorrectly that I give a crap what you or many others think.

 

[lighty]

Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing.

But it's changing a coach that at best would "grow into the position" as someone said. RU took an extreme LONG SHOT in hiring Flood. If you hire a coach with head coaching experience, you're automatically starting from a better position than we started when Flood was hired.

Did Flood gain experience along the way? For me, it's hard to say. We had awful blow out losses in 2013 in a weaker conference and still have awful blow out losses. This is hardly a rush to judgement on the guy.

 

[Knight Ed]

I don't get the knock on the mid major coaches. Everyone starts somewhere. It's called working your way up the ladder. The only way we get a P5 or former P5 coach is if he screwed up somewhere along the line and would therefor be available to come to Rutgers.
A few mid major guys have positioned themselves to potentially be the next big thing. We need to make the right choice in identifying which of these guys will make the best coach for us.

 

[joshk ru03]

I am not a supporter but I agree that making a change for the sake of change is not the best move. The coaching carousel is probably the craziest I have seen in a long time and unfortunately Rutgers is low on the totem pole. I would rather deal with another sub par year than pick a terrible coach which leads into multitude of terrible years. There is no doubt that Flood is out as soon as it is possible. Our next coach HAS to be a proven guy, IMHO. I do not believe that the sky would fall if Flood stays another year. We have a very young inexperienced team, and by playing a ton of freshman we are getting the needed experience.
Also anyone else realized that only 1 of our losses this year is to a non-ranked team... just saying.

 

[RU#1fan]

Please explain this:
Floods record vs teams with a winning record: 4-20
Floods record vs teams with a losing record: 22-3

In games Rutgers has played vs winning teams they've been outscored 820-428 losing on average 34-18. Note two of the wins were in 2012 when Flood was given Schiano's experienced and talented defense.

In games Rutgers has played vs teams with losing record we've outscored opponents 764-479 winning on average 32-20. Note we played 4 FCS schools. So taking those schools out of the equation we are only outscoring our opponents 599-441 and an average of 30-22.

So what this says to me is Flood can squeak by bad teams with losing records but gets blown out by teams with winning records. So how does it make sense at all to keep him? With being in the B1G now we will have 5-8 teams a year with winning records. Does that mean we will be watching 5-8 blowouts a year? When is enough enough? Soon our schedule will no longer include the likes of Howard or Norfolk State and we will be forced to compete with quality teams, something Flood has failed to do time and time again.

As some likes to say on this board, "facts are facts" and these are the facts and it absolutely proves Flood is way over his head. And anyone who disagrees is just as dumb and just as stubborn as he is.

Correction: The Record vs. Winning Teams is only 2-20 since October 2012.
Those being Navy and Maryland last year.

 

[krup]

I am not a supporter but I agree that making a change for the sake of change is not the best move. The coaching carousel is probably the craziest I have seen in a long time and unfortunately Rutgers is low on the totem pole. I would rather deal with another sub par year than pick a terrible coach which leads into multitude of terrible years. There is no doubt that Flood is out as soon as it is possible. Our next coach HAS to be a proven guy, IMHO. I do not believe that the sky would fall if Flood stays another year. We have a very young inexperienced team, and by playing a ton of freshman we are getting the needed experience.
Also anyone else realized that only 1 of our losses this year is to a non-ranked team... just saying.

Blaming inexperience this year does not hide the fact he has lost to winning teams with experienced teams as well.

 

[joshk ru03]

Blaming inexperience this year does not hide the fact he has lost to winning teams with experienced teams as well.

I don't see where I blamed the inexperience. We are in a real conference now. We are going to have down years. We are going to get blown out. Time heals all. It is only our second year in the conference. We exceeded expectations last year and did not meet them this year. No excuses just facts and reasons.

 

[Yeah Baby]

1. There shouldn't be any Flood supporters anymore

2. For me, it wasn't about the losses. It was always about the blowouts. Because we are soooooooo behind in support from the state, the private school elite-ism, funding, facilities, I don't expect to beat OSU or Mich. But I expect to be another Indy for 10 years or so. PLAY HARD, PLAY SMART, BE IN THE GAME.

Flood is 2-0 vs Indy. Lol.

Try to make sense you have so much to kill Flood on and Indy is what you want to be? Yikes

 

[ClassOf02]

I have been attending ru games faithfully for the past 50 years and have had season tickets for most of them. I also travel to a couple of away games each year. Graduated from ru and love my school. I don't care if flood stays or goes. I do not want some low level head coach from the mid major schools hired at this point. Change for the sake of change accomplishes nothing. We need a proven winner with a reputation to turn this thing around. If we can't do it for whatever reason,then let it alone. No matter who coaches next year, I'll be there with my family,and will continue to do so until I can no longer walk into the stadium.

Florida just hired a "low level head coach from a mid major" and it seems to working out pretty well for them. If it's good for the mighty Florida, it's good in my book for RU.

 

[coRycoRd]

Correction: The Record vs. Winning Teams is only 2-20 since October 2012.
Those being Navy and Maryland last year.

You're forgetting Cincy and Cuse in 2012.

 

[RU MAN]

I believe Flood is now 2-23 with teams with winning records. If that doesn't say "It's time to fire this guy" then nothing won't.

 

[B0ski]

Ok Wiseguy. Show me where I ever said Flood should or shouldn't be fired? I'll wait.

I have purposely stayed neutral on Flood's status the past month plus so that I could discuss that and other topics reasonably without anyone saying I had an agenda either way.

Excuse me for thinking this is a discussion site. I now understand unless you stand on the roof of a building screaming "Fire Everyone" you're a blind supporter of Flood.

And to be frank, you won't hear me singing Kumbaya. To do that you'd be assuming incorrectly that I give a crap what you or many others think.

For months every time anybody had anything truthful about Fludd's coaching ability you took exception to it. Sounds like a Flood supporter.

 

[RUgrad75]

And what good would that do? I don't get these let's gang up on someone who feels differently threads. Other than maybe making you feel superior, what does it accomplish?

If Rutgers makes a change it better be a home run. Right now it can be said Rutgers football issues are a Kyle Flood problem. If a new coach comes in and fails it will be said it isn't the coach, it's that Rutgers itself is the problem. That'd be a hell of a lot worse.

Intelligent post

 

[RUgrad75]

I am not a supporter but I agree that making a change for the sake of change is not the best move. The coaching carousel is probably the craziest I have seen in a long time and unfortunately Rutgers is low on the totem pole. I would rather deal with another sub par year than pick a terrible coach which leads into multitude of terrible years. There is no doubt that Flood is out as soon as it is possible. Our next coach HAS to be a proven guy, IMHO. I do not believe that the sky would fall if Flood stays another year. We have a very young inexperienced team, and by playing a ton of freshman we are getting the needed experience.
Also anyone else realized that only 1 of our losses this year is to a non-ranked team... just saying.

Another intelligent post but wait for it....

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This IS NOT "making a change for the sake of making a change." Thanks to Flood's AWFUL recruiting, the last 3 years, things are about to get worse. Thanks to the fact that Flood couldn't listen when told what not to do, off the field, he f*cked himself. OPEN YOUR EYES my friends we're in the middle of a shit-show and Flood ISN'T the "nice guy" that some here forced others into thinking he was/is.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

All the Flood supporters can fit inside a phone booth

Sure, if it is the Tardis [winking]

 

[knightfan7]

For months every time anybody had anything truthful about Fludd's coaching ability you took exception to it. Sounds like a Flood supporter.

Have I said the arrests weren't his fault? Yes.

Have I said things above his control helped derail his chances of a better season? Things like the arrests, Carroo's suspension, and injuries. Yes.

Have I called posters out for being critical when he doesn't make changes, then in the next breath rip him for the changes he does make? Yes.

Have I said the overall situation at Rutgers would make it difficult for anyone in his position. Yes.

Have I said people should be prepared to lose the recruiting class if Flood goes? Yes and several are of the same opinion. If you read recruits statements you would have to have the same opinion. I've also said that possibility can't be a consideration.

Do I think the "cute" name calling is childish and has no place in adult discussions?Yes.

Have I ever said he should be excused for emailgate? No, other than this wouldn't be a blip on the radar at a number of high profile programs. In retrospect with a better handle on what went on I wouldn't have given him a 3 game suspension. It should have been 1 game or fire him on the spot. The decision has become the worst kind of compromise. It made RU look weak and cut the legs out of the HC at the same time.

Most importantly, have I said he's doing a good job this year and should be retained? A big resounding NO. But yes, I did stick up for him after the previous year when the team exceeded most expectations.

Sorry that I don't get involved in the hysteria so many here do. I prefer to let the coaches coach and administration administer. I don't believe a mid or late season change would solve anything. If at the end of the season the powers that be decide it's time for him to go, I'm fine with that but that's as far as I will go.

To be honest I do enjoy tweaking some of you guys. It's kind of a payback for all the real football discussion you folks destroy with the constant hijacking of most threads with the same, tired stuff.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

But it's changing a coach that at best would "grow into the position" as someone said. RU took an extreme LONG SHOT in hiring Flood. If you hire a coach with head coaching experience, you're automatically starting from a better position than we started when Flood was hired.

Did Flood gain experience along the way? For me, it's hard to say. We had awful blow out losses in 2013 in a weaker conference and still have awful blow out losses. This is hardly a rush to judgement on the guy.

It takes some of us longer to see the futility in the coaching situation or we just wanted to give KF a chance. Kyle, is a really nice guy but he is in way over his head. If I was seeing progress somewhere I could justify continuing my support of him. Unfortunately, the only thing I have seen is a continuing decline of the team and the entire program every year kyle has coached. This year we took a HUGE step back and I am convinced we need to make a change now. All that Schiano built is in jeopardy. We need to make a change by hiring a young well organized coach like we did with schiano. There are lots of young aggressive coaches in the lower levels of college who are looking to make a jump to the big leagues. We cannot play it safe, its low risk high reward proposition. a young coach who turned around a lower level college team and had several years of success is worth a shot.

 

[WhiteBus]

As a Flood supporter, you are right. Kyle is a super nice guy but we have seen a quick unraveling of all that schiano built. Performance on the filed has collapsed, academic performance of the team has declined and the overall discipline of the program has greatly declined. You are right Flood is in way over his head.

If you haven't learned by know....Flood isn't a super nice guy. Did you miss the off field garbage?
Seek out any of the Athletic Academic Support team. Good, nice or pleasant would not be words they would use to describe him. And that just maybe the tip of the iceberg.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Flood supporter here. I think he should get another year. To me, an 8-5 record with a bowl win over North Carolina.
Recruits and parents with a strong attachment for him as a person. Recruiting an Elite 11 QB. The arrests and injuries. All of this to me gives him enough currency to get another year. Obviously the lack of execution in all phases of the game is the primary cause of the blowouts, and that ultimately is the responsibility of the head coach, but to me fans are too anxious for the quick fix by getting rid of a coach. The reasons the fire Flood people give are due to the last four games and just aren't enough justification.

 

[ru66]

Here you go again bac. Show us one quote where l comented one way or the other. You are the " ripper" _____,,you have said often "I don' t attack or call others names." But you are one of the biggest guilty parties.