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I'm predicting at least 14 wins next year.

Go ahead, trot out your reasons and complaints and all the history you can muster. I can take it. Of course I may not read it, but I might. 14 wins, minimum. The year after that, 17.
 
Originally posted by RutgersRaRa:
I'm predicting at least 14 wins next year.

Go ahead, trot out your reasons and complaints and all the history you can muster. I can take it. Of course I may not read it, but I might. 14 wins, minimum. The year after that, 17.
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I have no problem with the prediction. Im just trying to figure out if im supposed to be excited by winning 14 games and being maybe 2nd to last rather than last in the standings.
 
Haha. Next year i think the team gets at least 12 wins. I think the roster stays but if anyone did leave that number could change. GL is really showing to be a bright spot for us.

Theres reason to stay. There's some players right now who are showing a lot of improvement. DJ, GL to name a few. Watch Mike Williams come in with his shot next year and Sanders draw two guards. What will be the most important part is what Sanders does after his draws those guards?If he passes, we will be a lot better off. Williams defense rubs off on his best friend DJ and we have something to look forward to.
 
Originally posted by higgins3:
Haha. Next year i think the team gets at least 12 wins. I think the roster stays but if anyone did leave that number could change. GL is really showing to be a bright spot for us.

Theres reason to stay. There's some players right now who are showing a lot of improvement. DJ, GL to name a few. Watch Mike Williams come in with his shot next year and Sanders draw two guards. What will be the most important part is what Sanders does after his draws those guards?If he passes, we will be a lot better off. Williams defense rubs off on his best friend DJ and we have something to look forward to.
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Is this without Corey Sanders too?
 
Originally posted by ruman:

Originally posted by higgins3:
Haha. Next year i think the team gets at least 12 wins. I think the roster stays but if anyone did leave that number could change. GL is really showing to be a bright spot for us.

Theres reason to stay. There's some players right now who are showing a lot of improvement. DJ, GL to name a few. Watch Mike Williams come in with his shot next year and Sanders draw two guards. What will be the most important part is what Sanders does after his draws those guards?If he passes, we will be a lot better off. Williams defense rubs off on his best friend DJ and we have something to look forward to.
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Is this without Corey Sanders too?
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I can't speak for Higs, but as it relates to the OP, no, it is not without Sanders--he was factored into the 14-game-minimum prediction.
 
Ruman, that's with Sanders. Bk has said Sanders getting here is with high probability.

Till we reach .500 in conference? I have no idea. Anyone else? Depends what happens in the next two years. If EJ shows good stuff, we might get there. If next year it's still nothing, it's probably going to take another Coach.

Sanders, Williams, Etou, Foreman, Lewis with all good backup, that is a team that can win games next year. O koren must have been working with GL. because he has progressed. Foreman has progressed. Etou has gotten some more emphasis.

If Sanders comes here and has an extra pass, 14 wins should be doable. Is it something to go crazy about? No, it's still 12 wins, but it's a lot more than what most of us expect.
 
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:
What does OOC schedule look like? Anyone know?
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Louisville and another decent school at the Barclays
Seton Hall
at Princeton
assuming 2 cupcakes as part of the Barclays
the regular NJ schools which means at least one guaranteed loss

we are breaking in a whole new team basically....to expect success in non conference play is fooling yourself. We will be lucky to get to 8-5....throw in 4 conference wins at best and I don't think we surpass 12 and could be as low as 8
 
EJ is going to have to start to use the "use it or lose it timeout" before halftime to make a little bit of a difference. With 35 seconds left in the first half (15 seconds on the shot clock) last night Turge calls a TO and draws up a nice play and the Terps score. Does Eddie call a TO? No. We turn the ball over with 5 seconds left and Mickens throws up a desperation 3 at the buzzer. I don't think we used the "Use it or lose it" all year and it showed on last pssessions of the first half. If we tweak our coaching a little bit we could win a game or 2.
 
To win 14 games Rutgers will have to score at least 60 points a game to have any chance to make that goal.Based on the returning squad and the new players I simply don't see how the offense will better than this season because Jack and Mack will not be part of next seasons team.Where are the points going to come from to reach 60 points?Let me also remind fans that Coach Rice stated Rutgers really needed to score close to 70 points per game because of the level of competition the team would face in the future.
 
You appear to be one of the remaining hopefuls.
Although 14 wins is no great shakes.
Sanders may be a legit point guard but it takes 5 B1G quality players to get into the mix.
Rutgers clearly does not have the talent or the depth.
Until we can finally recruit B1G quality talent we are going nowhere.
I have been a season ticket holder for over 20 years.
I want to continue to support this program, however, if those who run the show do not demonstrate a concrete plan to improve the direction, sadly I will give serious thought to not renewing next season.
If Rutgers does not care to elevate this dismal product, why should they expect support?
The ball is in their court.
All I want to hear is there is a plan and it will be activated in a reasonable timeframe.
If the company line remains that there will be no changes until the full share of the B1G money arrives, then my decision will be made easier.
Come on Rutgers, the fans are starving for a competitive team.
Show us you care and the fans will come out in support.
Twenty four years and no end in sight...what a joke!
 
Originally posted by RUfan1979:
You appear to be one of the remaining hopefuls.
Although 14 wins is no great shakes.
Sanders may be a legit point guard but it takes 5 B1G quality players to get into the mix.
Rutgers clearly does not have the talent or the depth.
Until we can finally recruit B1G quality talent we are going nowhere.
I have been a season ticket holder for over 20 years.
I want to continue to support this program, however, if those who run the show do not demonstrate a concrete plan to improve the direction, sadly I will give serious thought to not renewing next season.
If Rutgers does not care to elevate this dismal product, why should they expect support?
The ball is in their court.
All I want to hear is there is a plan and it will be activated in a reasonable timeframe.
If the company line remains that there will be no changes until the full share of the B1G money arrives, then my decision will be made easier.
Come on Rutgers, the fans are starving for a competitive team.
Show us you care and the fans will come out in support.
Twenty four years and no end in sight...what a joke!
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Though I get the frustration contained in your post, my OP wasn't based on the administration (Barchi, not Julie, since Julie wants the money but Barchi won't invest in athletics), it was based on the impact having three scorers (or more) has on a team. This year we had only one threat--#4--and as a guard Myles couldn't drive the lane and get his shot off. His skill is from the perimeter, and he wasn't playing the 2 he was forced to play the 1, which is hard when you're 5'9" and nobody in the starting rotation knows how to move without the ball AND nobody sets high picks to get him a shot. If Sanders is as explosive as he's reported to be, and if Etou stays and Eddie moves Foreman into the starting lineup, we have three scoring threats. Lewis shows flashes of offense (like last night against Maryland), but I'm not sure how consistent he'll be, so I don't yet count him as a scorer. Also, we haven't had a 3 in forever, and I don't know what this year's redshirts will do next year, but I expect us to have at least slightly more proficiency at the 3 since we had none this year.

And then there's Mike Williams who, if the speed of the game slows down for him and he gets at least one big man down low and a wing that opposing defenses have to cover, will be able to shoot as well as dish. It doesn't take much to open an offense up, we just didn't have the coherent pieces this year due to transfers and only 7 scholarship players available to play. And if Bishop figures some things out--God knows the kid has the physical ability--there will be more players for defenses to keep track of, which walloped things up. Everyone knew the key was to shut Myles down and you'd shut Rutgers down. Next year that dynamic changes.

14 wins, minimum.
 
Originally posted by RutgersRaRa:
I'm predicting at least 14 wins next year.

Go ahead, trot out your reasons and complaints and all the history you can muster. I can take it. Of course I may not read it, but I might. 14 wins, minimum. The year after that, 17.
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Hope springs eternal and I'll say 15.
Why some might ask
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I much rather have hope than live with doom and gloom
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I said we'll get 14+ wins a couple of weeks ago. The team has some pieces next year.

I'll even one up you....if we get Deshawn Freeman who I think will make a big difference to this team by this time next year we will be talking about scenarios that put us in the NIT.
 
Originally posted by ruman:

Wow wee. Optimism always high at the end of the year.
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Typically works in reverse, as optimism is high at the beginning. This year there would be little reason to hope for next year, unless there were some pieces of the puzzle to point to. We shall see. As the expression goes, "hope springs a turtle." But you already knew that.
 
Originally posted by seels2662:
I said we'll get 14+ wins a couple of weeks ago. The team has some pieces next year.

I'll even one up you....if we get Deshawn Freeman who I think will make a big difference to this team by this time next year we will be talking about scenarios that put us in the NIT.
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are you smoking something....say we overachieve non conference and finish 10-3..to be in NIT contention, they would have to win SEVEN Big 10 games...do you see 7 wins

I think people forget that every other school is getting better. Teams like Michigan will be better. Northwestern is on the upswing. Purdue will still be getting better. You know what you are getting from Wisky, MSU, OSU and Maryland. Penn State has a way better recruiting class than RU

we have no scorers returning...I don't want to be a Debbie downer but I am, there is not much coming back. You saw Eddie post game when asked about the state of the program. What he said and how he looked was reality.
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:


Originally posted by seels2662:
I said we'll get 14+ wins a couple of weeks ago. The team has some pieces next year.

I'll even one up you....if we get Deshawn Freeman who I think will make a big difference to this team by this time next year we will be talking about scenarios that put us in the NIT.
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are you smoking something....say we overachieve non conference and finish 10-3..to be in NIT contention, they would have to win SEVEN Big 10 games...do you see 7 wins

I think people forget that every other school is getting better. Teams like Michigan will be better. Northwestern is on the upswing. Purdue will still be getting better. You know what you are getting from Wisky, MSU, OSU and Maryland. Penn State has a way better recruiting class than RU

we have no scorers returning...I don't want to be a Debbie downer but I am, there is not much coming back. You saw Eddie post game when asked about the state of the program. What he said and how he looked was reality.
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Ive heard this a lot but i dont agree.

Mack got doubled and shut down in the majority of conference games. As for Jack, I have never seen a good basketball player regress more than he did in one season. I dont think we miss Jack at all and I think Sanders has a very good chance of being the floor general we need. I believe we will actually be more competitive next year. NIT, now that i think is a crazy goal for this team but I dont see 11 straight losses and getting blown out most nights.
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Bac, if anything we have more Potential scorers returning. Williams will come back a better scorer, Ryan Johnson will contribute to scoring,Sanders will contribute, Goode might contribute.

This year for scoring- Mack and Jack reliably. Next year- not as many true reliable scorers but more people that teams will have to keep an eye on.
 
Originally posted by higgins3:
Bac, if anything we have more Potential scorers returning. Williams will come back a better scorer, Ryan Johnson will contribute to scoring,Sanders will contribute, Goode might contribute.

This year for scoring- Mack and Jack reliably. Next year- not as many true reliable scorers but more people that teams will have to keep an eye on.
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They will? three of them never stepped on the court here and I love Williams, but asking him to carry the load scoring may be a stretch
 
Ruman, i never said he would have to carry the load. The point is that their will be more potential scorers than there were this year. We saw great developing play from Lewis, DJ had a good couple games, Williams plays defense, has grit and will be a better scorer next year. I'll put ten dollar dogs on that, and cover the health insurance bill for the winner.


This years scorers-Mack and Jack
Developing scorers for this year- GL, Daniels, Foreman, Etou.
Next year add Sanders, Williams, johnson and the backups and you have a team that might have more options. Might have scorers that people have to guard and watch.

This year it was easy-Double Mack and the game is over. Next year might not be that way.
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:


Originally posted by seels2662:
I said we'll get 14+ wins a couple of weeks ago. The team has some pieces next year.

I'll even one up you....if we get Deshawn Freeman who I think will make a big difference to this team by this time next year we will be talking about scenarios that put us in the NIT.
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are you smoking something....say we overachieve non conference and finish 10-3..to be in NIT contention, they would have to win SEVEN Big 10 games...do you see 7 wins

I think people forget that every other school is getting better. Teams like Michigan will be better. Northwestern is on the upswing. Purdue will still be getting better. You know what you are getting from Wisky, MSU, OSU and Maryland. Penn State has a way better recruiting class than RU

we have no scorers returning...I don't want to be a Debbie downer but I am, there is not much coming back. You saw Eddie post game when asked about the state of the program. What he said and how he looked was reality.
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Hehe I was talking about scenarios, not that we were guaranteed a spot....like we sit needing to split the last two games of the regular season and then win 2-3 games in the BTT....
 
Since we joined the Big East conference in 1995, Rutgers has won at least 14 games ten times out of 21.

So going by history, we have a pretty close to 50/50 chance to win at least 14 next year.

*over-optimism alert*
 
Originally posted by sodakboy93:
Since we joined the Big East conference in 1995, Rutgers has won at least 14 games ten times out of 21.

So going by history, we have a pretty close to 50/50 chance to win at least 14 next year.

*over-optimism alert*
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Yes, but based on how we closed out this season you will be accused of being overly-overly-overly optimistic to base it on that stat alone (which you are aware of). My belief is based on the players we have coming in and returning, assuming no transfers.
 
Double teamed or not Mack threw up way too many 3-13s, Jack disappeared the last 3rd of the season and Etou was a disappointment scoring-wise.

How could we do WORSE next year?.......OK maybe we dont get a win vs the #1 B10 team.......but we will do better than 2 B10 wins IMO.

OOC,,,who knows,,we dont even know the sched
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:

based on players coming and returning I don't know how you can conclude 14 wins...that's called blind optimism
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You assume our players aren't going to develop, and that the dynamics of the dynamic of the new guard play, which includes Sanders, who USA Today just tagged as the most explosive/entertaining player coming into college ball, with Williams, who will be more comfortable in the offense, along with Foreman (he is going to be a scorer), as well as Etou, Lewis, and the guys on the bench. The offense Eddie wants to run is better suited to the personnel we will have. And keep in mind that I'm not predicting at least 18 wins, which would be blind optimism, I'm predicting at least 14, which is optical realism.
 
Bac, more potential options next year. That is it. No jack and Mack, but Sanders, Williams, DJ,Etou, Lewis.

More potential options and an actual bench. That is why next year has a shot.
 
Higgs -- a year ago you were probably saying that Mike W, Foreman and R. Johnson would all score a little and take the pressure off Myles and Kadeem ... and Mike's great outside shot would reduces the doubles on Myles. Didn't work out that way because the frosh did not live up to their h.s, reps. Over hyped or coaching staff's incompetence?

So, people are impressed and excited that Sanders is Mr. Entertainment and Mr. Explosion? I'd be drinking the scarlet Kool-aid with you if he was being labelled Mr. Shooter, Mr. Scorer or Mr. Distributor. Instead, most of that tape just shows him as a hot dog, not a kid who's a team player or a cerebral point that can dish or score as needed. I hope there's another tape somewhere that shows that he's not all raw sizzle.
 
gs -- a year ago you were probably saying that Mike W, Foreman and R. Johnson would all score a little and take the pressure off Myles and Kadeem ... and Mike's great outside shot would reduces the doubles on Myles. Didn't work out that way because the frosh did not live up to their h.s, reps. Over hyped or coaching staff's incompetence?

So, people are impressed and excited that Sanders is Mr. Entertainment and Mr. Explosion? I'd be drinking the scarlet Kool-aid with you if he was being labelled Mr. Shooter, Mr. Scorer or Mr. Distributor. Instead, most of that tape just shows him as a hot dog, not a kid who's a team player or a cerebral point that can dish or score as needed. I hope there's another tape somewhere that shows that he's not all raw sizzle.

A year ago i wasn't on this site i don't believe. I never said anything like that.

I hear you about Sanders. I am too not really that impressed with the dunks and handle. Doesn't translate that well. Still, if he can beat someone off the dribble, and hit someone on the perimeter, maybe some thing can happen .

Trying to predict what will happen with this team might be a lost cause, you're right. Still, the gameplan for any team was too easy for the opponent this year.

I am just hoping next year will be different. I think there are some pieces, but as fans we have no idea how those pieces will come together in practice. We have very little power about what will happen. All we can do is hope for the best. If i hope for the other side, i will be miserable. I'd rather think a positive though. Who knows what will happen though.
 
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