Transcript of Carroo's court appearance

[RUinPAC10land]

I have no problem with what the judge did. Leonte was told not to go outside and he did not follow advice. Therefore, he got himself into an "incident". Somebody needs to tell this to Leonte and hearing from a judge can be a big life lesson. I really hope that Leonte really turns out to be a benefit to society. The kid is talented.

 

[RU4Real]

And for what it's worth, anybody who insists that the judge was "grandstanding" and / or has never been personally lectured by a judge has probably never been to court. They live for that shit.

 

[ru66]

who gives a crap--happy days are here again--for most RU fans

 

[Veiox]

This board has become completely delusional. We have people debating whether a giant of a man who smashes a girls head on the ground is simple or aggravated assault. Like the difference fuccing matters.
He should never put on the Rutgers uniform again. Stop making excuses.

I am glad he is putting on his Rutgers uniform this weekend...

 

[GeorgeStreet]

Judge is a pompous ass who wanted to see himself quoted in one of New Jersey's finest newspapers. :scream:

 

[RU4Real]

My experience turned out to be pretty valuable...

And you were correct.

I get my information from the LEO side of the house. They obviously have a different perspective.

 

[ru66]

veiox--you are doing a great service to this board

 

[Veiox]

veiox--you are doing a great service to this board

One of the nice features of the new board is the fact that old posts do not "fall off the board" like the old version.

 

[bac2therac]

The judge was spot on with his comments

 

[DHajekRC84]

And for what it's worth, anybody who insists that the judge was "grandstanding" and / or has never been personally lectured by a judge has probably never been to court. They live for that shit.

your second point here above is exactly why your first point below doesn't work for me.

"So if the judge suggests, ON THE RECORD, that Carroo caught a break, it would make sense to take that at face value."

 

[JPhoboken]

How did she get hurt? slipped on a banana peel?

How do I know, I wasn't there. It was reported she had no serious injuries. The question was why wasn't Shane arrested. Probably because there was no evidence he committed a CRIME. She claimed Shane didn't do it. He only said he pulled her off. Show me where he said he committed a crime?

 

[RUJohnny99]

My wife had to appear in municipal court for not using her damned Bluetooth to yap while driving. The judge was just as pompous.

They all act like you would be getting the death penalty if not for their grace.

 

[RU4Real]

your second point here above is exactly why your first point below doesn't work for me.

"So if the judge suggests, ON THE RECORD, that Carroo caught a break, it would make sense to take that at face value."

Why is that inconsistent? The simple fact that they like to give lectures from the bench doesn't make them wrong. The only thing a judge has ever said to me that was outright stupid was, "You must realize that at that speed, if you had had a blowout or something like that, you could have killed yourself and COUNTLESS other people!"

Obviously that's ridiculous. There's no doubt in my mind that the number of lives lost would be finite.

 

[WhiteBus]

I am glad he is putting on his Rutgers uniform this weekend...

So am I. And I stand by my statement.

 

[RU-05]

For those acting like Carroo got off lucky here because the girl was willing to make a deal. What did the girl get from the deal exactly?

 

[RU-05]

As far as the judge lecturing Carroo: He'll get over it.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Why is that inconsistent? The simple fact that they like to give lectures from the bench doesn't make them wrong. The only thing a judge has ever said to me that was outright stupid was, "You must realize that at that speed, if you had had a blowout or something like that, you could have killed yourself and COUNTLESS other people!"

Obviously that's ridiculous. There's no doubt in my mind that the number of lives lost would be finite.

[roll]

Hey anything said in court is on the record an anytime you get out of there you are lucky. Dealing with the Gov't in any way is a stain. (tried typing that 3 times and it kept coming up SATAN...[devil])

 

[WhiteBus]

I am glad he is putting on his Rutgers uniform this weekend...

You also left this out but good editing on your part.

"I haven't read every post but I agree. I haven't seen one post to support the OPs postion. The Carroo suspension hurts Rutgers badly for the upcoming game. Not one fan thinks this is a good thing."

 

[JPhoboken]

So am I. And I stand by my statement.

That we are all delusional?

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

How are they wrong? Everything his lawyers did yesterday were procedural to get the case done quickly. They even said they agreed to things just to get the case resolved. The anger management is a standard thing in DV cases. They still maintain he never touched her.

It is the equivalent of an acquittal. Even though its like it never happened he still has to go to anger management.

Before Carroo walked away with a fresh slate, he received a pointed line of questioning from municipal court judge Dennis Fackelman. Here is the transcript of that interaction:

DF: Do you realize that if you had a restraining order that would have been a stigmatism on your life for the rest of your life?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: And if you were guilty of assault you would have had to carry that for the rest of your life?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Did you learn something from all this?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Did you consider that you are a lucky individual?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Do you realize that you’ve been given the benefit of the doubt by this victim and the Rutgers police department?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: You are young and you’ve already got yourself in an incident. Do you realize that throughout the rest of your life you are going to have to try to avoid these confrontations and incidents?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: I understand that you are going to playing football Sundays. Do you realize how blessed you are with that kind of talent?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Are you going to act accordingly in the future?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: I’ve read about some of the other players in the NFL getting in trouble. Do you understand that?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Do you have a respect for domestic violence and how prevalent it is in this society?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Do you understand that with your talent, your time, your income, you are going to be a benefit to society if you choose. Are you going to do that?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Do you realize that everybody in this courtroom is going to follow you the rest of your life to see which way you turn: For better or for worse?

LC: Yes, your honor.

DF: Which way are you going to turn?

LC: For the better.

DF: I think you will.

100% spot on!

 

[RU4Real]

It is the equivalent of an acquittal. Even though its like it never happened he still has to go to anger management.

You need to try and be reasonable, here. This is NOT "the equivalent of an acquittal". The big difference, of course (however unlikely), being that the charges can be brought again - if, for example, he fails to complete his anger management classes.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Yes, your honor.

He is now adequately prepared for marriage.

 

[RU4Real]

He is now adequately prepared for marriage.

He's only "adequately prepared for marriage" if he's learned to not put his partner and his girlfriend in the same place at the same time.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

He's only "adequately prepared for marriage" if he's learned to not put his partner and his girlfriend in the same place at the same time.

Of course I was referring to the one on one convos with his esposa, but if history is an indication of anything, and it usually is, he'll need to also not have his mother in the area too often. Shit gets real.

 

[beaced]

nm

 

[knightfan7]

What??? No, that's part of the deal!! My word.

"As part of the agreement, the woman dropped her request for a permanent restraining order against Carroo – she had obtained a temporary restraining order – and decided not to testify in criminal court, effectively ending the case for the prosecution."

Sorry Bus but you're looking at it from a preconceived notion (Carroo guilty).

Brotherskinny is correct about the mandatory classes. More important, you need to ask yourself why the "victim" refused to testify? It is just as reasonable to say she didn't because anything she said would be under oath and liable for any fabrications as it is that Carroo did anything to harm her.

Yes, we will likely not know the whole story but that isn't all that unusual. Law and Order is a TV show, not real life.

Btw, USA 16 International 14. Spieth and Fowler carry the day. Top performer for the other team will be Matsuyama.

 

[Veiox]

Sorry Bus but you're looking at it from a preconceived notion (Carroo guilty).

Brotherskinny is correct about the mandatory classes. More important, you need to ask yourself why the "victim" refused to testify? It is just as reasonable to say she didn't because anything she said would be under oath and liable for any fabrications as it is that Carroo did anything to harm her.

Yes, we will likely not know the whole story but that isn't all that unusual. Law and Order is a TV show, not real life.

Btw, USA 16 International 14. Spieth and Fowler carry the day. Top performer for the other team will be Matsuyama.

USA 17 Int 13 Americans dominate Days 2 and 3.

Also, can't wait for 2017 President's Cup...Liberty National!!!!

 

[ru66]

as was said in a previous post--there certainly seems to be guys "sorry" a RU player was exonerated-it's kind of sad

 

[mal359]

http://ogtf.lpcnj.org/2012/2012026uO/FackelmanSuit1.pdf

 

[OldManRiver]

For those acting like Carroo got off lucky here because the girl was willing to make a deal. What did the girl get from the deal exactly?

I'm pretty sure she didn't have the opportunity to commit perjury under oath and go to jail.

 

[RU4Real]

http://ogtf.lpcnj.org/2012/2012026uO/FackelmanSuit1.pdf

What's your point?

 

[mal359]

What's your point?

Oh I thought we were pissing on the judge, so I thought I would provide background information. Apologies.

 

[RU4Real]

Oh I thought we were pissing on the judge, so I thought I would provide background information. Apologies.

Yeah, this isn't actually "pissing on the judge". He was named as a defendent in a frivolous lawsuit by a woman who tripped and fell down an escalator. He was so named because, presumably, his law firm had the unmitigated gall to suggest to the woman on first contact that her lawsuit idea was completely without merit and that she should remove herself from their premises.

 

[Pils86]

Count me on the side of the judge being a condescending pompous ass. Maybe a little lecture when someone is sentenced but did he have the right to take more of Caroo's time with that horse$hit when charges are being dropped? I give Caroo credit for showing control and tolerating that drivel.

Caroo was really at the mercy of the "victim" and the system due to the season running out. The police and prosecution got their language to cover them from being sued even if they botched it. The "victim" avoids testifying and risking perjury, gets to point to vindication with the anger management requirement and still leaves the door open for a civil suit. Caroo misses a night game at PSU and homecoming and has his reputation tarnished. I hope he finishes the season well and has a great career in the NFL.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yeah everyone should just fight everyone else, yell at judges, who cares.. As long as they are part of the RU football program. And don't investigate, just do. Having reason is for lames.

Carroo should have told the judge, I'm innocent as per a bunch of people who know about the law from watching Law and Order and Judge Judy.

 

[WhiteBus]

Sorry Bus but you're looking at it from a preconceived notion (Carroo guilty).

Brotherskinny is correct about the mandatory classes. More important, you need to ask yourself why the "victim" refused to testify? It is just as reasonable to say she didn't because anything she said would be under oath and liable for any fabrications as it is that Carroo did anything to harm her.

Yes, we will likely not know the whole story but that isn't all that unusual. Law and Order is a TV show, not real life.

Btw, USA 16 International 14. Spieth and Fowler carry the day. Top performer for the other team will be Matsuyama.

I'm not viewing from any preconceived point. I still have no idea what the heck happened. Serious enough to get charged, able to work out a deal with the victim. It's over. For now. Sadly it would have been better to go to trial and be found not guilty for the pros. I'm sure he is no longer on the Ravens Draft board.
Yes golf has been great. Awesome year. I no longer miss Tiger or Phil. These young guys are beyond great.
Hope all is well in Squan. Might be at Pete and Eldas next Wednesday. Just a bunch of guys eating great pizza and enjoying cold beer. Join us if you can.

And Brotherskinny isn't right if he thinks Carroo was innocent. Only plea barging deals and guilty pleas require such classes. If he was found not guilty he wouldn't have to take clases

 

[IL Lusciato]

Nothing wrong with that.

Judge trying to get a real and important point across.

 

[bac2therac]

Nothing wrong with that.

Judge trying to get a real and important point across.

THIS...why are so many people missing this point and attacking the judge. Carroo will probably encounter similar situations in the future, he is in a unique position being able to make money on Sundays playing a game. He will need to be smarter and more vigilent going forward in his actions and who he associates with.

Whether he was innocent or guilty he still put himself in a volatile situation that potentially could have had devastating effects on his career

 

[RUBlackout]

I thought the judge was spot on with every Hing he said. LC needs to be aware of the spotlight that is in him with the talent he was blessed with and he needs to avoid compromising situations in the future. A good learning lesson.

 

[Upstream]

Only plea barging deals and guilty pleas require such classes. If he was found not guilty he wouldn't have to take clases

Not at all. He didn't plead guilty and he didn't plea bargain. He agreed to take the classes and he agreed to not pursue further action in exchange for the girl to agree to drop her claims. We don't know if the girl agreed to this because she thought the classes were sufficient, or if she felt pressured, or she was concerned that Carroo would sue her if she lost the case, or she was afraid of perjuring herself, or some other reason.

We don't know if Carroo touched her or not or if the whole thing was overblown.

All we really know is that when someone told him to stay in the locker room, he should have listened.