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Sounds like a load of BS. Sorry. The part part about no candidates. There are plenty of coaches that would love to get a P5 job.
Haha in my dreams...really just like the coach hiring aspect of it don't give a hoot about the rest lol. It's like recruiting for some here which I pay no attention to but coach happenings are my little bit of fun.
I'm a joe nobody idiot as I've said many times. I'm just a little more informed than others because it's just my interest....nothing special. Any suggestion I bring has as much chance to succeed or fail as anybody elses.
I know that Ash is struggling to make ends meet in NJ on a salary of only $2 million
That's not the point, smarty pants.
A coach with out NJ ties would take an offer for $2.5 Million in Pullman, WA or Iowa City, Iowa or at UCF or a host of other locations versus $2million in NJ any day of the week. The point is Rutgers is one of the lowest paying P5 jobs in an expensive location. Couple that with the other negatives of the job, and a lot of candidates would probably pass and wait for something better to come up rather than risk career suicide at a place that has a history of losing (except for Schiano).
The whole "there's lots of guys who would love a P5 job" argument doesn't work unless Rutgers is the only P5 job available at the time.
Assuming there are, in any given season, multiple P5 positions open then (to your point) there are more attractive jobs than this one. A good candidate will go to one of those other jobs.
This is not an attractive position, overall, compared to other P5 positions. The Rutgers HC job has a reputation as a coaching graveyard.
On one hand, we have people saying Greg will not come here as long as Barchi is President, and that Barchi has a rep as anti-athletics, and on the other hand some people (maybe some of the same) are saying that candidates would be lining up for this job.
Let's not recreate history. The overwhelming majority of fans were stoked for this hire (yeah, some were not). It was a good hire at the time. It has not worked out. Now the 20/20 hindsight crowd wants blood.
You are correct, sir.
BTW - the kid got a summer gig. AAT Project. She's totally stoked.
Was not aware of AAT Project, but just checked it out and looks like a great opportunity for a 1L.
One way or another I hope we are no longer having these debates about the merits of Ash next year.
Ash was a good DC at a number of top programs.
How does an AD know whether a successful coordinator will make a good HC?
Since Ash aced the interview it sounds like he had little competition for the RU job. Our other options may have been just as bad?
How does an AD know whether a successful coordinator will make a good HC?
Since Ash aced the interview it sounds like he had little competition for the RU job. Our other options may have been just as bad?
This narrative that Hobbs made a bad choice because Ash aced the interview is silly. Given the state of the program when Hobbs came on board, Rutgers was looking for someone who had a plan to get the program back on track. Ash seems like a guy who prepares meticulously and has a plan, and I am guessing he did a very good job of laying out that plan. In one on one and small settings, Ash can be very personable and engaging (believe it or not). While meticulous in preparation, he seems to be about a zero on execution of his grand ideas, and that is something that we were not going to know about until he assembled his staff and started implementing his plan.
Seems Hobbs did a good job in his last two major hires in Pikiell and Willard, who was being courted by Virginia Tech. Choosing the right football coach is not rocket science, but it can be hit or miss. Hobbs seems to have missed with Ash.
Let's not forget the big positive that RU offers HC candidates, you can go 1-11 and keep your job, essentially making more than Nick Saban on a "per victory" basis. :-)
BULLSH*T with a swarm of flies. The empty stadium for most of last year and the woeful interest and attendance we will see this year make it painfully obvious that it so much more than the 20/20 hindsight crowd that have had it with Ash. That’s not recreating anything.
I don’t recall who the other candidates were vs Ash. Wasn’t it kept mostly quiet?
Anyone have any recall of the other serious candidates that Hobbs interviewed?
Let’s also be fair and realize his job got easier as time went on and he didn’t capitalize on that.
Personally he did, but not Program-wise.
and then blew off a real candidate,Narduzzi,when contacted, due to his mancrush of Ash.
Dont forget he also never seriously considered Fleck,Barbers was blown off and Hobbs used a useless search firm.
I believe the final number was 6 interviews by phone....Ash, Al Golden, Pat Narduzzi, and 3 other unknowns but one was rumored to be Ohio State OC Ed Warinner
There was mutual interest with Dan Mullen, i think the numbers were way off, so maybe an interview, maybe not
iirc Dino Babers and Jeff Brohm declined interviews...
I think the other names thrown around were PJ Fleck, Mario Cristobal, and of course Greg Schiano
Not buying it. If Hobbs#Error didn’t make the move after losing 11 straight games {some embarrassingly} last season don’t see if Ash triples his win total to 3 this season.
Was Ash the only candidate to get a face to face interview w Hobbs?
If so then it looks like he was the Hobbs choice after the initial phone call. Not a very thorough search imo.
Let's speculate and recreate history some more. . . . with what we heard and complain based on rumors.
RU#1Fool works at Stupid like it's his job. I swear he has a sign over his door that says "Play like an Imbecile today" and he gives it a little tap every morning on his way out.
Particularly enjoy the posters who act like our AD is not qualified or competent to hire a football coach because he made one bad hire. And hiring a search firm was a bad idea.
Nobody knows anything for sure about how far along the other candidates were, who they were, what their asking prices were and other demands they made before interviewing. If phone interviews were the starting point, it is likely that some candidates asking price and other must haves were non-starters.
Seriously doubt that the BOG and Barchi were going to approve someone for more than $2.5 million/year.
Again, the large majority of this board was pumped up about the Ash hire. It's easy to look back 3-4 years later and play the could have, should have, would have game.
He made a bad hire for football; it happens. He deserves another chance at it. It’s not like Ash was some unknown assistant out of some random school...but if Hobbs doesn’t get it right a second time and he’s not absolutely knocking every other sport out of the park, then IMO Hobbs should be shown the door.
Joe P.
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Difference this year is the stadium will be a morgue. We’ve not seen the season ticket renewals but everything is pointing towards a significant drop. Hobbs cant justify keeping him w only 3 wins and an empty stadium
Spot-on. I’m guessing season tix sold will be in the 16k range tops and if we don’t significantly improve upon last year, I have no idea how Hobbs could justify keeping Ash after ‘19.
Joe P.
Many of the educated rutgers fans thought ash was a bad hire . Hobbs made the hire and then he doubled down by keeping him for this year. That makes it worse, but there is still hope ash still turns it around . I agree with you that Hobbs needs to get the next coach right .
I was cautiously optimistic and wasn’t even bothered by him staying for the Fiesta Bowl...but my optimism started eroding when he seemingly hacked away at whatever roots Schiano laid down. The first season was terrible but I knew it was going to be 2-3 years to get going in the right direction. Year 2 was more encouraging compared to Year 1, but any faith I had in the current staff was obliterated last September in Lawrence, Kansas, and whatever was left over got further pulverized with each passing week. It’s not the mods’ fault on either site, but reading the articles about the offense and how they tried to dress up below-average stuff at best as some sort of accomplishment pretty much gagged me with a spoon.
Joe P.
