Watching the Happy Valley film
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I see this on Netflix all the time and think about watching it, but didn't know this was the premise - I will definitely pass! Perhaps he was legally innocent, but morally he enabled a monster to ruin innocent, vulnerable kids lives. This wasn't a low level janitor who took it to his superiors, this was THE BIG MAN ON CAMPUS - he failed children miserably in the worst way possible. Absolutely no respect or sympathy for him.
For me the damning evidence against Joe was the fact that he neither fired Sandusky quietly so as not to damage the brand nor did he turn him over to police which would also have damaged the brand but he created this imaginary position and kept Sandusky around in an office down the hall. The only reason to do what he did was to keep Sandusky within his reach so he could control the way information was released. He knew Sandusky wouldn't stop, after all he is a sick guy, but Joe couldn't allow him to get away because if he continued to commit these atrocities somewhere else any outside investigation would come back to PSU, so, he kept him around simply so Joe PA could keep the story under control. It worked for a long time but the wheels eventually came off the wagon. Any one who defends him is simply blind to the reality.
This is exactly what went down and everyone knows it.
This is literally the dumbest theory imaginable. Can't believe someone agreed with it.
I'm not going to get into a discussion surrounding the level of Joe Paterno's culpability in the Sandusky scandal, as time and again that has been hashed out on this board.
However, to respond to this misinformation:
I'm assuming the "imaginary position" you're referring to is Sandusky's emeritus title after he retired in 1999. That position was neither imaginary - many retired presidents, professors, etc. receive said emeritus title upon retiring, although yes, it was out of the ordinary for someone in Sandusky's position, as only an assistant professor - nor was it created by Paterno. Then-PSU President Graham Spanier promised Sandusky an emeritus title, and it was subsequently approved by Rodney Erickson, who replace Spanier.
What was the reason behind Spanier promising Sandusky an emeritus title, since it was, as you correctly pointed out, "out of the ordinary"?
Everyone knows that JoeP knew everything that was going on around that campus in regards to any of his players or staff. To all of a sudden think that this one topic he had no knowledge of is silly. Maybe he didn't know the depth of his attack on children but there was a reason why a guy who was considered one of the top defensive coordinators all of a sudden just stopped coaching in his prime but still hovered around the program while reaping the benefits of being attached to it.
I know you probably are very sensitive to the topic but these are facts...
1- Paterknow knew what had happened
2- He told his AD, not the police
3- He called it a day
Even in the documentary one of the people that covers Pedd st, I forgot his name, said that JoePa told him he wished he had done more. Its not hate. It is FACT
does the movie even comment on the prosecutor who is now presumed dead,and body never found,hard drive smashed on riverside,that first investigated the State Penn sexual assaults and the cover ups?????
I never understand why anybody here on our board gives a flying crap about Happy Valley, PSU or Paterno. Every single time someone starts a new thread about any of that stuff, it just reeks of jealousy. I'm not saying it has to be jealousy. I just don't know how else to explain it.
What's the point of even ever thinking about PSU except in the week before we play them? Not trying to make a point. I'm just asking because I definitely don't understand the motivation. I never think of them except when people start these strangely obsessive threads or in the week prior to the game.
And don't say "because of child rape". Because if that was it, there would be tons of posts about the Catholic church whose crimes against children, and subsequent cover ups, dwarf anything Sandusky and Paterno did.
I'm not telling other people what to do. I'm not saying don't create these obsessive threads. I'm just asking: what's the point of them? Why is what happens there, at this point, even remotely interesting to any of us?
What's the point of even ever thinking about PSU except in the week before we play them? Not trying to make a point. I'm just asking because I definitely don't understand the motivation. I never think of them except when people start these strangely obsessive threads or in the week prior to the game.
And don't say "because of child rape". Because if that was it, there would be tons of posts about the Catholic church whose crimes against children, and subsequent cover ups, dwarf anything Sandusky and Paterno did.
I'm not telling other people what to do. I'm not saying don't create these obsessive threads. I'm just asking: what's the point of them? Why is what happens there, at this point, even remotely interesting to any of us?
Only Graham Spanier can answer that question. However, an email from Tim Curley to Spanier and Gary Schultz sheds a bit of light on how it came to be. Sandusky, after he was told he wouldn't become head coach, decided to retire. He submitted a retirement letter to Joe Paterno with a list of requests. One of those was a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along with that wrote, "Volunteer Position Director - Positive Action for Youth." Spanier then later promised Sandusky emeritus status, and Schultz prepared a formal request to submit to the Provost's office.
Thanks Cheesesteak (feels weird writing that, lol), maybe the prosecutor will ask him that if it ever gets to trial.
I'd be surprised if the state's cases against Spanier, Schultz and Curley ever make it to trial, but I am looking forward to the time when all three can speak on these matters in greater detail. Spanier has also filed suit against Freeh and Penn State, so there's a chance we hear from him under oath at some point, regardless of what happens with the state's case.
ummm....are you referring to Ray Gricar? he was reported missing in 2005.....7 years after he investigated Sandusky....lol.
Just wishing the discussion would end. It's over. Let's move it to the field.
But Knight, tweaking the PSU morons and cultists is so much fun. They are so dumb. They take the bait every time!
Ehh, I'd rather we tweak them on the field. The arguments have been made over and over again. It's like arguing religion or against a cult . . . . . . .[winking]
Not yet, my wife has a seafood allergy so we usually go to other restaurants but one of these days we will try it.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't hold my breath.
The most recent development was March 30, when a PA appeals court said it would not reconsider the decision to throw out some of the most serious charges. In February, the charges of perjury (for Spanier/Schultz), obstruction and conspiracy were tossed. The charges of failure to report suspected child abuse and endangering the welfare of children, as well as a perjury charge against Curley, remain. Not sure when we'll learn anything else.
Yeah, right? It is interesting because both sides will argue that the other wants to keep the trial from happening so that all the information doesn't come out.
I'm not a Penn St fan. There is video of Paterno saying, in hindsight, he wishes he did more. People can form their own opinion of what he knew, when he knew it and what he should have done. The post about keeping Sandusky around and creating an imaginary position makes absolutely no sense.
If you and mildone don't like it 1) why are you here? 2) why are you posting? Go cry on another thead.
PSUPALY;;ummm....are you referring to Ray Gricar? he was reported missing in 2005.....7 years after he investigated Sandusky....lol.
I allmost feel sorry for you State Penn loyalsts..you sound brainwashed..have you watched this,examined the facts and evidence?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/us/ray-gricar-missing-prosecutor/
"In 2011, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was arrested and charged with sexually abusing boys, it was revealed that it was Gricar who decided not to charge Sandusky when the first victim came forward in 1998. Gricar cited a lack of evidence""
Makes no sense?? You are kidding right! Paterno should have had Sandusky arrested on the very first incident. He didn't. Why? Protect the brand. If he fired him, Sandusky repeats the behavior somewhere else and an investigation reeveals that PSU knew about it. Bad for the brand again. The only way Paterno can protect the hrand was to keep Sandusky under his control. So, create the "emeritus" position for an assistant coach, yeah that works. Give him an office and control the flow of information. It is the only thing that makes sense.
The theory makes no sense. If Paterno wanted to control him why give him an honorary title and an office in another building on campus? It make no sense. It was an honorary title so he could have gone and worked anywhere and still kept it. In addition if Paterno was trying to control information wouldn't you give Sandusky a office in the football building? Why would you give him an office in a completely separate area? I would buy the theory if they had named him assistant AD for football and an office in the football building. At least then he would lose a salary if he didn't follow orders and they could watch over him if he was in the building. Don't get me wrong, Penn State handled this in the worse possible way. The admin were idiots but some of these conspiracy theories make zero sense.
Joe just wasn't very good at it. Some guys aren't good at hiding affairs. Seems like Joe's ideas were poorly conceived
None of this matters to us, but the defenses are delusional. MAYBE Paterno did what was legally required of him; ethically he fell miles short.
And for those who want to pity Paterno, I ask that you answer just one question, if someone did this to your child would you be comfortable with that person's supervisor doing the bare minimum??? Paterno was a coach who prided him self for turning these college kids into men, and when one of his subordinates stole children's childhoods he did very little. It's indefensible.
And for those who want to pity Paterno, I ask that you answer just one question, if someone did this to your child would you be comfortable with that person's supervisor doing the bare minimum??? Paterno was a coach who prided him self for turning these college kids into men, and when one of his subordinates stole children's childhoods he did very little. It's indefensible.
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