This is hard to imagine. I am so aggravated. I can only imagine how Coach Pikiell feels. All we had to do was get the ball in. Mike looked like he panicked as the clock was going toward 5 seconds. He threw a lob up to half court and it was tough for Eugene to gather it. Only one second came off the clock and Stony Brook got it at half court with 14 seconds. They ran a play & got a dunk with 7 seconds left. I still don't know why we didn't pass the ball in to Baker or Corey near our basket. A half court lob was way too risky. After the dunk we just had to inbound the ball. Why we didn't run a criss cross to get Corey or Geo open I will never know. Instead Eugene made a bad pass and a guy intercepted and stepped back and hit a huge three. We gave the game away. We could have gotten to 12-3 going into January. Now we must beat Hartford to get to 11-4. This was a huge loss. We now need 5 wins in the BIG to have a winning season. If we had won we would only need 4. I just don't understand how we just gave this game away. Two in bounds that we could not complete cost us this game. I know we were only 8-19 on foul shots and we got out rebounded but up 5 with 15 seconds left and having the ball a team should never lose. This one will sit with me for a long time. I just wish once we could have a most enjoyable season. This was our wtf game tonight.
We had the ball under our basket up 5 with 15 seconds and we blew it.
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the inbound after they got it to 3 was particularly bad. \Eugene threw it right to the guy from my vantage point. Obviously they work on inbound plays but obviously they seemed clueless on what to do. Even a baseball pass down court would have been better. They are looking to steal but they are also looking to foul on the inbound, they have to foul quickly, that RU could not get anyone open is absurd. The Willaims play was bad...wtf, Mike is a senior, how could you throw a pass like that, its almost impossible. Either way inbound one of them and make a free throw and game over.
Long suffering fans have seen too many of these embarrassing losses which is a major reason why prior rebuilds never reached fruition.
This is true. He’s a good coach, but not tonight. The players let him down also.
Imagine how he feels. He left that school to come here and coach in the B1G and he just got outcoached at home by his replacement and beaten by his old team with lesser players, some of whom he knew very well and should have had an advantage..
Did we have a time out left? If so Mike could have used one when the 5 seconds were ticking away. as a senior that should never have happened. I would have preferred he just hit it off someone under our basket rather than throw the ball to half court and only take one second off the clock. I hope this game doesn't come back to bite us. I thought we were over the difficult times of not being able to get the ball in. Even the in bound with 7 seconds left was made by Eugene. I even said to my son, why isn't Freeman in for the in bound? He got up like he was coming into the game but than Eugene came out to in bound. I was surprised. I still cannot believe that Corey or Geo could not get free for a pass. The game would have been over. This was just such an awful loss. It is hard to comprehend.
Art - I am with you. TERRIBLE BRUTAL BRUTAL LOSS. I saw Pikiell, Vetrone , Young after the game and they were pissed. Pikeill even apologized.
Brutal loss for sure. Up 5 with 13.5 to go with the ball and Stony Brook forces overtime without even having to foul us. 2 brutal inbounds passes by Mike Williams and Eugene and MIKE is a senior, who should have never thrown that pass to anyone other than Corey or Geo. As much as Coach Pike has been outstanding , he didn't have a good last few minutes with the lousy inbounds plays, and getting beat down low on their out of bounds play not once but twice, and it will be a bad loss despite Stony Brook being a scrappy team that have played other teams tough( Uconn, Providence, Maryland).
But I am a little distressed with how negative the posts have been. This was a close game throughout, Stony Brook out hustled us almost all night, as our guards did not rebound almost the whole night until late, we missed a lot of foul shots, 11at least and a number of one and ones so 11-15 points left on the table, we looked tired almost all night, and our tough defense was missing because it looked like we had no legs . Stony Brook got the benefit of a number of balls bouncing their way, long on three point shots, and weird caroms. With 13.5 seconds left it was looking like an ugly win , where we didn't play well, missed a ton of foul shots, didn't rebound well, but found a way to win. This is usually a sign of a good team that doesn't play their best but still wins but then those last 13.5 seconds happen and the venom directed at our team is over the top. Yeah they blew it and Stony Brook who kept it close all night stole it. But it is not the end of the world like some of the posters have claimed. I still think we have a good team that can compete every night in this down Big 10 this year . Just look up the upsets this year, it is mind boggling, especially this week with Wofford, and Fort Wayne and Rider in our own conference. The sun will come up tomorrow. Am I pissed , hell yeah but the season isn't ruined either.
But I am a little distressed with how negative the posts have been. This was a close game throughout, Stony Brook out hustled us almost all night, as our guards did not rebound almost the whole night until late, we missed a lot of foul shots, 11at least and a number of one and ones so 11-15 points left on the table, we looked tired almost all night, and our tough defense was missing because it looked like we had no legs . Stony Brook got the benefit of a number of balls bouncing their way, long on three point shots, and weird caroms. With 13.5 seconds left it was looking like an ugly win , where we didn't play well, missed a ton of foul shots, didn't rebound well, but found a way to win. This is usually a sign of a good team that doesn't play their best but still wins but then those last 13.5 seconds happen and the venom directed at our team is over the top. Yeah they blew it and Stony Brook who kept it close all night stole it. But it is not the end of the world like some of the posters have claimed. I still think we have a good team that can compete every night in this down Big 10 this year . Just look up the upsets this year, it is mind boggling, especially this week with Wofford, and Fort Wayne and Rider in our own conference. The sun will come up tomorrow. Am I pissed , hell yeah but the season isn't ruined either.
Art, Pike called the last timeout with 15 seconds left and then the Stony Brook guard walked to give it back to us with 13.5. Mike did not have a timeout , and obviously neither did Eugene.
I dont think the season is ruined. I would sign on for 17-14/6-12....i think the SHU win gave some false hope that somehow we could exceed expectations and flirt with 20 wins, I do not have that feeling anymore. I have seen enough of the limitations of this team and its shooting and what happens when its not rebounding. Cannot pencil in wins over Illinois and Nebraska and Iowa seeing what I saw tonight, cannot pencil in losses either, RU will win some but my confidence in stringing multiple wins together is much lower after this game
We had an off night, after almost a week off , took some final exams, looked like we had no legs, missed a ton of foul shots that we have not been doing lately, and still was up 5 with the ball with 13.5 left. It happens this time of year. Look around the country. We are not immune. We played Fla State, Minnesota, Michigan State , and Seton Hall tough. Why do you no longer think we can compete every night ?
those are all excuses really, I am sure Stony Brook went through the same things as well and to boot they had to play at the RAC not at home, a worse RU team beat a better Stony Brook at their place. You see how this team needs to give full effort every night or you get what you saw...against NJIT and CCSU they got away with it, not tonight.
competing and winning are two different things...tonight is an example of how small the margin of error is for this team. RU certainly has improved enough to compete but beyond winning 6 games which I would sign on for, I am skeptical.
Tonight Eugene was brutal, RU will not win games getting nothing from him. Corey back to the unfocused Corey, he will be up and down and up and down, thats just how it will be unfortunately
You normally are skeptical and you have normally been right because our past teams have not been very good. However, I think this Coach and this team , with a Big 10 that is clearly down , should win at least 8. 8-10 is realistic. Not pie in the sky. Our team with its flaws , the most glaring not having a three point deadly shooter or good shooter period, still beat a ranked Seton Hall, and was in a one possession game with Fla State and Michigan State with a couple of minutes left, so why at home can they not beat, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Illinois, Nebraska, Iowa, Northwestern and Indiana. They will not win all of them but should win most of them. The more interesting question is how will we play on the road. We have been home almost all year. How we play on the road will determine whether we get to 8-10 in conference.
All I know is RU did beat your Seton Hall team. How good will your team be next year minus 4 senior starters?
We have played 14 games so far & have had ONE actual WTF "off night"
True THIS one is especially painful for reasons that have been brought up
-We lost at home
-Cuse lost at home
-Penn St lost at home
Plenty of pain in State College, Syracuse & Piscataway tonight
basketball is a cruel mistress
we move on
True THIS one is especially painful for reasons that have been brought up
-We lost at home
-Cuse lost at home
-Penn St lost at home
Plenty of pain in State College, Syracuse & Piscataway tonight
basketball is a cruel mistress
we move on
All I can say is it can and does happen to almost everyone.....say what you will about the last 13.5 seconds, but the reason we were at that point (and ultimately the reason we lost) is because we were flat the whole game leading up to that. We were playing an inferior team and they were more aggressive. Bad loss and hopefully we get back on track for the B1G portion of our schedule which is right around the corner. I think this team can and will sneak up on some teams - bottom line need to move on.
In the past, a loss like this would have been because stony brook/farleigh etc. was the better team ... tonight, it’s was simply an upset. Stony Brook did everything right. We are a good team and got upset. It doesn’t derail the season like people are going nuts about. I am not worried, we are still gonna win our fair share and some .. it was the most stereotypical trap game and we fell for it. Time to move onto the next one
Man, some people are still salty about that loss. I thought we “seasoned” them, but I guess we decided on the cured meat. Hahaha...I’ll check myself out. Lol.
Unless there were injuries or other factors we don't know about, substitution patterns were also suspect last night.
8-10 wins is not realistic, especially because we're already 0-2 in the conference. Getting 8 to 10 wins would be 100-1 in Vegas right now, if not higher.
Any of the bigs. Don't understand why we were going with Eugene at the 5 so much. I know that we've gone with Doucoure/Sa more often against teams with smaller front courts, but we didn't even really see Doorson that much when Petras was in the game at 6-11, 272.
Doucoure: 15 min, 4 pts (2-2), 2 rb, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 pf
Doorson: 6 min, 3 pts (1-1), 2 rb, 1 blk, 1 to, 0 pf
Sa: 6 min, 0 pts, 3 rb, 0 pf
27 min from our bigs, none of which were in foul trouble, in an OT game. That's 18 min where we didn't have anyone in the front court taller than 6-7. And with Thiam only playing 26 min, there was a lot of time where there was *no one* on the court taller than 6-7. We had a size advantage over Stony Brook, and we mostly chose not to use it.
Amazingly, Petras played 16 min for Stony Brook without a single foul. This is a guy who fouls once every 6.7 min of game time, so we should have seen at least 2 on him. But we never tried to go inside to a big while he was on the floor, so he never had to really defend. He only had one block, too, so it's not like our guards were driving into him and getting rejected.
Just don't get it.
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You're right !
We should have been up 10 with 13.5 left against SB.
SB did not win- we lost.
I didn't say 10 wins. I said 8-10 in conference with 8 wins. After the brutal stretch of Purdue and Michigan State on the road, hopefully we beat and we should beat Wisconsin to be 1-4. Thereafter , every game is up for grabs except maybe Purdue home. How we do on the road is the key to the season . But getting 7 more wins playing Ohio State, Iowa, Nebraska , Northwestern, Indiana and Illinois at home and Ohio State, Illinois and Nebraska and Penn State and Michigan on the road is doable.
What B1G school are we better than right now?
5 wins has to be the base case guess right now.....and that assumes no injuries. We are one injury away from a 2 win season
5 wins has to be the base case guess right now.....and that assumes no injuries. We are one injury away from a 2 win season
They were ice cold from the perimeter and had 16 turnovers. This wasn't Villanova beating Patrick Ewing.
Finishing 8-8 in the conference is not realistic, which was my point. It would be at best 100-1.
Optimism is fine, and very healthy. But some optimism is just not realistic.
what Big 10 teams are better than Rutgers...RU still has the maybe the 2nd best win in league. I would say based on results, RU is ahead of Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, and even Nebraska.
That's not what I meant. There is not a single team in the B1G team that you can honestly say we are better than right now.
Neutral floor I say we would be favored slightly over Indiana, Illinois. But dog vs Penn St, Neb and maybe Iowa
Do not also forget Wisconsin. We are clearly better than them. We should beat them and will likely be favored in the game .
We are better than Wisconsin, better than Illinois and better than Indiana right now. I have also watched Northwestern and Iowa get waxed this year and I do not think they are better. Penn State is another team that has a slightly better starting five but not a better bench. So Greene , those are a few.
I would not say we are clearly better than them. We just lost to Stony Brook. That is worse than any lose they have. On the flip side we have a way better win than them over Seton Hall. I think RU is in a bunch of about 8 or 9 schools in the Big 10 where there is not alot of difference
its a toss up game as will games against Iowa, Indiana, Penn State and Nebby. I do not think we should win any of these games. We need to win some but these teams are all at the same level.
any team that struggles on the offensive end will have trouble winning games. Wisconsin and RU have the two worst offenses in the league and it isnt close.
