The previous coach would have been happy to stay long term.
What is Chris Ash's Vision??
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This thread is about vision, which is a long-term thing. You believe Ash exudes it. Jsc has his doubts.
You want a name? Hire Mike Houston from JMU. Give that guy 7-8 years and Rutgers will have another Greg schiano.
I’m not asking for big ten championships or rose bowls or any of that. What I want is rutgers in bowl games year in and year out and to form an identity as a program and add more stability. The constant OC cycle has been exhausting, I hope I’m wrong and will gladly eat crow if I’m wrong, I just believe chris ash is not the answer based on on the field results and recruiting
Anything less than 6 wins is a "massive failure". That is a ridiculous statement! Luckily Hobbs is not an irrational college student or a middle age wannabe football expert.
You make a lot of sense. That has no place here.See:
You know @RUaMoose, you are being purposely obtuse because your necktie guy did not get the job. The last two RU head coaches talked about winning championships. The first of those guys had a chance, and may have succeeded if he did not leave RU in a lurch. The second of those guys, who I actually think was a better game day coach than the first guy, almost got us there with the first guy's players, but he eroded away the pillars of the program that got us to the point where we could have and should have won a BIG EAST championship. Ash has been fixing that structural damage to the program. Hell, he had to shore up the floors for the weight room--symbolic?
Here is what Ash said. If you guys (@rutgersal too) have a problem with what he said, you guys have the problem, not Coach Ash. His vision is refreshing. Standing up at the podium and talking about championships with what Flood and Julie and Barchi left behind would be the equivalent of a 450 pound guy bragging about how he has plans to bang the entire squad of Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders--it's laughable. You want to do great things? Put in the work to be the best that you can be. That's his message.
Give it a rest, gentlemen. You whining is growing old. It's year 2. Mistakes were made by a new coach. Mistakes have been corrected. Onward, upward. Don't look back.
I WANT TO BUILD A FIRST CLASS PROGRAM.
A PROGRAM THAT THE UNIVERSITY, THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, HIGH SCHOOL COACHES AND HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS CAN BE PROUD TO SAY ITS THEIRS AND THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND BE A PART OF IT.
WE DON'T NEED NEW JERSEY KIDS AND PLAYERS GOING TO OTHER PROGRAMS. WE NEED TO KEEP THEM HERE AT HOME AT RUTGERS AND BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE HERE.
WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR IN THIS FOOTBALL TEAM- I WANT TO BUILD A FAST, PHYSICAL TEAM THAT PLAYS WITH RELENTLESS EFFORT, TREMENDOUS ENTHUSIASM, AND PLAYS FOR EACH OTHER.
I WANT OUR OPPONENTS TO TURN ON THE FILM AND SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A REAL ONE. WE BETTER STRAP IT ON BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO COME AND PLAY HARD.THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY TOGETHER AND PLAY FOR FOUR QUARTERS."
AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF PROGRAM I WANT TO BUILD HERE AT RUTGERS.
OUR MISSION STATEMENT--IT WON'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT WINS, IT WON'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE AND TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT WE ARE GOING TO CREATE TO DEVELOP THESE PLAYERS, MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. AND TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE AFTER FOOTBALL.
AND IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE, THE WINS WILL COME
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And it's the first time Rutgers has had a long term strategic goal.
That's hilarious! Ash has completed 2 seasons and you would like for him to be fired and be replaced by JMU's coach. To top it off you say in 7 or 8 years he will be another GS. Ash fire after 2 seasons, JMU's coach 7 or 8 years...thats seems fair
If you hope he's right shouldnt you patiently wait and see how it unfolds?
If you knew a damn thing about fundamentals and creative playbooks and actually watched JMU since he got there you might actually know what you are talking about. The guy has won big time everywhere he’s gone. Runs an exciting offense with a stern defense and is 28-2 as a coach since he got there winning the FCS championship his first season and they lost in the championship game last season. He’s also from the east coast.
But if you are content in a coach that has allows multiple games a year to get out of hand, is a poor recruiter and you cannot possibly sit up there and say he’s a good game coach... get used to 6-7th place in the division annually.
Sorry not sorry that I’m not gonna put scarlet blinders on and only focus on the minimal positives he has done since arriving while completely ignoring the glaring weaknesses as him as a coach the way that some on this board want.
It oughtta tell you something when the ultimate, Uber homer of Rutgers football, Al who believes Rutgers is the USC of the east and for years has always been the eternal Rutgers optimist is raising red flags about the coach.
like I said, I’ll gladly eat crow next year if I’m wrong, however if it’s more of the same I bet the ash apologists will go in to hiding and get very quiet
It's the first time Rutgers has had a legit D1 Athletic Director.
I loved Uncle Bob and thank him for all he did, but Hobbs is hands down the most qualified individual to run a massive D1 Athketic Department.
See the big picture here folks.
JMU is like Pop Warner level.
Drew was "successful" there as OC. How did it go for him as a B1G OC?
His priority is to sell it to recruits and their parents not to fans on a message board. We the fans really don’t know if recruits who we targeted didn’t commit because CA didn’t -as some say - sell the vision or because of other reasons. A recruit could very well believe in CA and his vision but has a dream school or just wants to get away and we all know when that happens no vision can keep them home or to commit to RU if from out of state
Do you think in year 3 if he goes 4-8 with 3 or more blowouts and having the 12th or 13th ranked recruiting class in the BIG or class ranked in the 50 overall acceptable? Does that give you confidence that he can get it done here? He has Texas St., Kansas and Buffalo which should be 3 wins, asking to go 3 - 6 with the remaining 9 games and avoiding the 50+ losses is a reasonable expectation on year 3? Whatever job your in, are they going to tolerate 3 years of mediocrity? Suppose your in sales and your 1st year you finished 20% of your quota, 2nd year you finished 40% of your number and 3rd year you were around 40% of your number again, and you didn't have a pipeline built, do you think you will still have a job? I think they would have fired you after year 1 with achieving 20% of your number, that's the real world. Here you get to make millions of dollars with perks and you don't think in year 3 there should be reasonable expectations for results?
Been biting my tongue on reading some of your recent posts. This one is right there with being one of the dumbest. Posters like you show your ignorance of the game by saying he is not coaching to win.EVERY coach coaches to win. The entire staff helps put together a game plan that will #1 give the team their best chance to win. That game plan can and probably Includes who are we playing, what do they do best and how do we counter that, what can we do best against them etc. The negatoids say he coaches not to lose. I say he coaches to limit superior teams opportunities to score. The less an opponent scores the better our chances of winning are
In my opinion, that would be a good problem to have. That means Coach Ash has brought the program to a respectable level and with full share of BIG, replacing him would not be ideal but not as bad.
Have you ever heard anything that he does not want to be here long term. Didn’t think so and oh yeah recruits notice this too
Not going to read all these posts to see if any one has answered in this manner about Ash's Vision. "I Hope that it is 20-20".:pray:
Here's the bottom line ASH needs to bring in better recruits starting this year and he needs to make a bowl game by year 4. He may have fixed or is fixing everything Flood screwed up and is creating a great culture, but if he doesn't get recruiting rolling and starts winning, most people won't care about all the behind the scenes stuff.
Like I said before, I actually wanted Schiano back as my first preference and the guy was a master with marketing the program overall, but I guess people forgot how badly we got mocked for “It’s Time” 2001-2002 as we were losing 80-7, 60something- 0, 42-0, 34-11 to a garbage Buffalo team, etc. If people want to criticize Ash there’s legit things to discuss; you don’t need to make up bull**** fairy tales like some people are doing on this board.
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OC is much different than HC. Drew was also a child and Houston is 46. Houston has won everywhere he’s gone. He’s taken teams like citadel who typically win 3-4 games a year to championships. JMU hadn’t been dominant and Houston gets there and they are the best, most well coached kids on the field, every time they step in he field. I do not believe in hiring a coordinator with no HC experience who wasn’t groomed as a HC in waiting (ala dabo and Jimbo) is the answer for a Big 10 program. The jump from Coordinator to HC is huge and Ash has not shown anything that leads me to believe we will be able to be competitive vs the elite of the conference. I’m not asking for us to even necessarily win those games, just be more competitive than we have been.
So what you are saying is, you want Woody Allen as our head coach?
This is a football program. There's no "vision" except for winning football games. Schiano's yammering about winning national championships wasn't "vision", it was marketing. It was also bullshit.
Win football games.
That's it.
Win football games.
That's it.
Lol @ if i knew a damn thing about football fundamentals and a creative playbook. This is the problem with many RU so called supporters...they swear they know more than the next person and the coaches as well. Now JMU"s coach is the savior for RU football lol. Success at JMU automatically means success in the B1G? I guess OSU is waiting for Urban to retire so they can swoop in and hire this guy lol. Btw Im not advocating for Ash...its just ridiculous to conclude after 2 seasons he should be replaced, especially if the replacement is a coming from JMU (how did that hotshot JMU OC work out?). Love these armchair Coaches/AD's that think they have all the answers and everyone else knows nothing lol
What an amazngly over simplistic analogy (B1G football coach vs Salesperson). Responsible for an entire football program as opposed to responsible for your individual performance. In addition, in your mind winning 4 games is akin to acheiving 40% of his quota which would mean the quota was to win 10 games. Whose expectation was that? Certainly not any rational, realistic person and definitely not Hobbs. No wonder so many RU fans are ready to jump off a cliff...the expectations are based on pure fantasy and crazy logic
It’s not a good analogy . But there is nothing with having expectations and being concerned about ash .
Sure, realistic expectations and concerns. Anyone that has already concluded that he should be replaced after 2 seasons (by JMU's coach?) is not being realistic or logical.
Thanks Al!! Way to get the fan base divided when we should be unified and supporting our team and coach. Nice job buddy!!!!
Jcs321 maybe you would be better off and less stressed bu spending your fall Saturdays in Virginia at JMU watching them play. Tickets and parking are much cheaper and you'll be a lot happier. Give it a rest.
Regarding a vision as the original topic, I'll jpin in with the many who may have a vision of less crazy off the wall Rutgers Al posts and some appreciation of the improvements and progress being made under Hobbs etc. Again people have conveniently dismissed the first few years of Greg's tenure. Give Ash and staff the same respect and leeway.
Regarding a vision as the original topic, I'll jpin in with the many who may have a vision of less crazy off the wall Rutgers Al posts and some appreciation of the improvements and progress being made under Hobbs etc. Again people have conveniently dismissed the first few years of Greg's tenure. Give Ash and staff the same respect and leeway.
i understand your stance regarding some creating BS reasons to criticize CA despite the genuine reasons for concern, namely recruiting. However, until RU supporters get over the unhealthy love affair with GS and stop bringing him into every convo, CA or no other RU coach will given the patients and realistic expectations they deserve
