Why do we schedule West Coast teams ?
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On December 6, 2013, Chris Petersen agreed to a five-year, $18 million contract to become the new head coach at Washington.
Washington was only going to get better with Chris Petersen as Head Coach.
Yes, because it's always easy to predict how and when, exactly, a team will rise and dip.
Fact: The WA team was good but not great when they were scheduled. Most voices here, from actual RU fans, seemed pretty happy about the game at the time.
Fact: It was the type of quality OOC opponent fans here had been clamoring for throughout the Schiano years. It really didn't look all that much more intimidating than an Arkansas or UCLA.
WTF do you care, anyway? You're arguing about it more than actual fans. It's nice that you have 20/20 hindsight, but other than that, what are you even arguing? Go worry about big upsets against your own OOCs, Pitt and Temple.
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I am an actual fan and have been for half a century and yes I saw what Chris Petersen did as Head Coach at Boise State. If a Head Coach can turn Boise State into a power house, he won't have any trouble doing the same at Washington.
Washington offers a lot more tools for success in football than Boise State ever has.
Boise State was already on the rise before Petersen. The coach before him was like 50-10 with multiple one-loss seasons, conference championships and top 20 rankings. Petersen took over in 2006, their breakout BCS-busting season. I guess the previous coach and his recruits had nothing to do with that success. Sure, Petersen deserves credit for that season and being an all-around great coach by keeping Boise in the conversation for years afterward, but he didn't build the program from scratch and already had a lot of momentum to work with.
In other words, your idea that he can just roll up into any program and make them a perennial powerhouse has not been proven at all. Kyle Wittingham is another very good, BCS-busting coach who's learned that things are a little different when playing a PAC schedule week in/week out. Turns out, some of those other programs have even better "tools for success".
For the record, I voiced my opinion against the Washington series on this site as soon as it was made public.
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State and this year Iowa from the West Division will give Rutgers all of the ranked competition that they need.
Beyond that, what Rutgers needs is wins so that Rutgers can become bowl eligible and games that will help Rutgers Football recruiting.
Rutgers is highly unlikely to be bowl eligible this year, anyway. The "going 7-6 for a crappy bowl berth" was what people despised about the Schiano years. I'll take good competition during the season and worry about bowls when we show we're up to the task ... not going to worry about it years before the game is even played.
So wait, you don't want an extra win, extra practices and a "crappy" bowl berth so you can play against better competition that will beat the shet out of you?
Good God.
Chris Petersen was Dan Hawkins Offensive Coordinator at Boise State during those years prior to when Chris took over the Head job at Boise and Dan Hawkins leaving to become Head Coach at Colorado.
Dan Hawkins record at Colorado without Chris Petersen as his Offensive Coordinator was 19-39.
What are you talking about, tool?
I don't want to watch the powers that be schedule like pussies with hopes of backdooring our way into a crap bowl, no. Don't pretend you had any idea how this game would play out two and a half years ago.
But sure, if I could accurately predict the teams that equate to a respectable W every year, I reckon I'd scedule only them. Please send that list to the AD, Nostradamus.
So what you're saying is, a head coach can have great success at one school, then take a step back when moving to a bigger, more challenging stage.
Not really groundbreaking insight, but I'll agree.
7-6 with bowl practices and a bowl win would put Rutgers Football in a much better position in 2017 than 5-7 without bowl practices would. I want what is best for Rutgers Football.
Until this year, the SEC was a master at scheduling.
They played easy OOC schedules, tough conference schedules, got into the best bowl games they could get into at the best locations for their programs and then they won their share of bowl games.
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No. What I said was that Boise State's success was due to Chris Petersen as both Offensive Coordinator and then Head Coach. Chris Petersen is considered to be one of the best coaches in college football by his peers, including Chris Ash.
Chris Petersen beat many Top 25 powers while he was at Boise State and most college football experts knew he was going to upgrade Washington's Football program beyond the good Football program that it already was when he was hired.
Take it easy Sport. You seem to be a bit rustled.
Do you realize where your program is right now? You need all the wins, practices and exposure you can get. Losing to Washington, UCLA and Miami by 50 isn't going to help your cause.
I hope you are wrong. But, there is a chance you may be correct. However, Rutgers 2016 record wasn't something that could be determined back when Washington was scheduled. The fact that Washington would have a great team in 2016 is something that was easily predictable once Chris Petersen was hired.
Not saying that you don't have a point, but we've been down that path already. We spent about a decade playing the likes of Army, Navy, and Buffalo. We went to bowls in nine out of ten years going 6-3. And it really hasn't seemed to have moved the program forward that much. You can blame Flood, but even Schiano never took the program back to the height it reached in 2006. It's possible that we got more national recognition from beating SEC school Arkansas in back to back years than we did from any of our bowl victories. And at the time it was scheduled, the Washington series probably looked like it would be a similar type of matchup.
Except it wasn't. And still isn't.
At the time, Washington was a team with top 25 potential. That's about it. Two years under a new regime is supposed to be predictive of being a powerhouse and cleaning our clock? Washington was up and down all of last year, had a 7-6 record and I don't even think they were ranked ever. We still don't know how good they really are this year. Maybe they're a playoff or Rose Bowl contender, maybe they're middle of the PAC. All we do know for sure is that we're pretty awful, not something anyone here was calling for back in 2014 and not something I want to see the AD using as for scheduling purposes.
Rutgers is in the B1G East now playing for the first time 9-game B1G conference schedules going forward. Winning the B1G East and getting into a B1G Championship game would give Rutgers Football all the national recognition it would ever need.
When Rutgers has an average team it needs all the OOC wins
it can get to ensure bowl practices and games.
When Rutgers has a great team it needs all the OOC wins it can get so that an undefeated record against the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, etc... will get Rutgers into the Final Four.
Beating a west coast power is not a requirement for that to happen. But, winning the B1G conference is.
Longshot or not, it would be a shame for Rutgers to lose out on a Final Four bid, because, they didn't schedule their OOC games well.
Chris Petersen is putting together his team at Washington.
As expected, the AP Top 25 has Washington ranked 8th in the country and the Coaches Poll has Washington ranked 11th in the country. If Chris Petersen and his accomplishments, the AP pollsters and the Coaches who revere Chris Petersen, including Chris Ash, can't convince you how great Washington Football is,
I don't expect to be able to either.
Regarding Rutgers Football 2016, you'll find out more during the next few games. Rutgers had no chance against a superior Washington team about 3,000 miles from home. It is NOT the football teams fault that the Washington series was scheduled.
It is hard to gage Rutgers Football 2016 until they compete against a team that is closer to their level.
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Because early season rankings are a meaningful way of judging a team? It's ranked 8th after one game ... against our crappy team, and it's ranked by the same people that overrate teams every year ... teams like Oklahoma, LSU, UCLA and USC. Whether they're overrating the Huskies or not is a question that will be answered in time, but don't act like it was answered after one game and one ranking adjustment, through which WA got a lot of help (top 10 teams falling).
I'll be happy if Washington ends up a top 10 team, but I have no idea if it is, and based on the weak evidence you provided, neither do you.
I really take offense to you repeatedly stating that Rutgers has a "crappy team" when the only game you may have seen Rutgers compete in this year was against a Top 20 team at their home venue 3,000 miles from Rutgers after a long flight.
Did you even watch the game ? Are you able to assess the speed and skill of college football teams like the experts ?
When I watch Washington play I see a great team that called off the dogs against Rutgers in the middle of the 3rd quarter.
Chris Petersen has his juggernaut in place.
Tip your cap to Washington and support Rutgers Football.
Rutgers may not be as "crappy" as you keep stating they are.
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If you want to become a national brand (and that's what the B1G expects out of its members) then you play on a national level and you don't keep it to the Northeastern part of the US. You aren't in the Big East anymore. The B1G expects all its members to play anywhere and everywhere.
If you want to become a national brand (and that's what the B1G expects out of its members) then you play on a national level and you don't keep it to the Northeastern part of the US. You aren't in the Big East anymore. The B1G expects all its members to play anywhere and everywhere.
The B1G does NOT expect its members to play anywhere or everywhere. The B1G wants its members to play 9 regular season B1G conference games a year and 3 regular season OOC games a year vs. programs from either the other four Power 5 conferences or Army, BYU, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Navy or Notre Dame.
The B1G will also consider other FBS programs outside of the four Power 5 conferences if those programs have an acceptable 5-year RPI. Temple may fall into this category if a B1G school asks the B1G to evaluate them for B1G OOC acceptance.
This year, Rutgers is scheduled to play only ONE of its 12 regular season games vs. a team from the Northeastern part of the US in Penn State.
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Rutgers has 3 OOC games. Make two of them regional and one national.
With that said, the B1G / PAC games have been going on for a century. It's a brotherhood of sorts with those two conferences.
The PAC has played a 9 game conference schedule for the past five years .. this season will be it's sixth.
2016 Power 5 opponents by team and conference
ACC Atlantic
BC - 8 conference games = 8 P5
Clemson - 8 conference games + Auburn, SCAR = 10 P5
FSU - 8 conference games + Ole Miss, UF = 10 P5
Louisville - 8 conference games + Kentucky = 9 P5
NC State - 8 conference games + ND = 9 P5
Syracuse - 8 conference games + ND = 9 P5
WF - 8 conference games + Indiana = 9 P5
ACC Coastal
Duke - 8 conference games + Northwestern, ND = 10 P5
GT - 8 conference games + Vandy, UGA = 10 P5
Miami - 8 conference games + ND = 9 P5
North Carolina - 8 conference games + UGA, Illinois = 10 P5
Pitt - 8 conference games + Penn St., Okie St. = 10 P5
UVA - 8 conference games + Oregon = 9 P5
VT - 8 conference games + Tennessee, ND = 10 P5
Total: 132 / 14 = 9.428 P5
B1G East
Indiana - 9 conference games + WF = 10 P5
Maryland - 9 conference games = 9 P5
Michigan - 9 conference games + Colorado = 10 P5
MSU - 9 conference games + ND, BYU = 11 P5
Ohio St. - 9 conference games + Oklahoma = 10 P5
Penn St. - 9 conference games + Pitt = 10 P5
Rutgers - 9 conference games + Washington = 10 P5
B1G West
Illinois - 9 conference games + North Carolina = 10 P5
Iowa - 9 conference games + Iowa St. = 10 P5
Minnesota - 9 conference games + Oregon St. = 10 P5
Nebraska - 9 conference games + Oregon = 10 P5
Northwestern - 9 conference games + Duke = 10 P5
Purdue - 9 conference games = 9 P5
Wisconsin - 9 conference games + LSU = 10 P5
Total: 139 / 14 = 9.928 P5
Big 12
Baylor - 9 conference games = 9 P5
Iowa St. - 9 conference games + Iowa = 10 P5
Kansas - 9 conference games = 9 P5
Kansas St. - 9 conference games + Stanford = 10 P5
Oklahoma - 9 conference games + Ohio St. = 10 P5
Oklahoma St. - 9 conference games + Pitt = 10 P5
TCU - 9 conference games + Arkansas = 10 P5
Texas - 9 conference games + ND, Cal = 11 P5
TT - 9 conference games + Arizona St. = 10 P5
WVU - 9 conference games + Missouri, BYU = 11 P5
Total: 100 / 10 = 10 P5
PAC North
Cal - 9 conference games + Texas = 10 P5
Stanford - 9 conference games + Kansas St., ND = 11 P5
Oregon - 9 conference games + Virginia, Nebraska = 11 P5
Oregon St. - 9 conference games + Minny = 10 P5
Washington - 9 conference games + Rutgers = 10 P5
Washington St. - 9 conference games = 9 P5
PAC South
Arizona - 9 conference games + BYU = 10 P5
Arizona St. - 9 conference games + TT = 10 P5
Colorado - 9 conference games + Michigan = 10 P5
Utah - 9 conference games + BYU = 10 P5
UCLA - 9 conference games + TAMU, BYU = 11 P5
USC - 9 conference games + Alabama, ND = 11 P5
Total: 123 / 12 = 10.25 P5
SEC East
UF - 8 conference games + FSU = 9 P5
UGA - 8 conference games + North Carolina, GT = 10 P5
UK - 8 conference games + Louisville = 9 P5
Mizzou - 8 conference games + WVU = 9 P5
SCAR - 8 conference games + Clemson = 9 P5
UT - 8 conference games + VT = 9 P5
Vandy - 8 conference games + GT = 9 P5
SEC West
Alabama - 8 conference games + USC = 9 P5
Arkansas - 8 conference games + TCU = 9 P5
Auburn - 8 conference games + Clemson = 9 P5
LSU - 8 conference games + Wiscy = 9 P5
Miss. St. - 8 conference games + BYU = 9 P5
Ole Miss - 8 conference games + FSU = 9 P5
TAMU - 8 conference games + UCLA = 9 P5
Total: 127 / 14 = 9.071 P5
http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/09/big-ten-army-three-aac-teams-power-five-opponents/
Big Ten to Count Army, 3 AAC Teams as Power Five Opponents
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...tre-dame-byu-and-army-as-power-five-opponents
SEC will consider Notre Dame, BYU and Army as Power Five opponents
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Two regional OOC games for Rutgers and one OOC game from outside Rutgers regional area sounds reasonable. Rutgers is the most eastern of all of the B1G schools though and may have the least amount of history with the PAC. Rutgers recruits a lot of football players south of Maryland and along the east coast. For that reason, I would like to see Rutgers play their non-regional OOC game vs. one of the ACC or SEC teams that has a 5-year RPI somewhat similar to Rutgers as opposed to a west coast PAC team.
Getting an SEC team to play a home & away is like pulling teeth. That conference has about zero testicles.
This could be a future OCC schedule for Rutgers ...
UConn
Buffalo
Cal
or ...
Pitt
Wake Forest
Arizona St.
You are right about the SEC. I was surprised to see LSU travel up to Wisconsin this year. Most B1G vs. SEC games take place down south. Your suggestions for Rutgers to play UConn and Wake Forest make sense to me. A lot of Rutgers alumni have been migrating to the Carolinas in recent years. In what might be a fair matchup, I don't think Rutgers wants to give Pitt an in to New Jersey recruits. What would Rutgers gain from playing Buffalo besides a win ? I doubt the B1G would approve of Buffalo as an acceptable OOC opponent.
The B1G's only requirement is that none of its teams play an FCS team. Buffalo is in the MAC .. it's a G5 team.
LSU is pretty good about home & away's as is Tennessee .. but not the rest of that gutless conference. The SEC plays an 8 game conference schedule in order to work the system. That conference plays the least amount of Power 5 teams than any of the P5 conferences.
Here is what we have signed up for the future:
2017
09/02 - Washington (PAC-12)
09/09 - Morgan State (last FCS school)
09/16 - Eastern Michigan
2018
09/01 - Texas State
09/15 - at Kansas (Big12)
09/22 - Buffalo
2019
09/21 - at Miami (FL) (ACC)
2020
09/05 - at UCLA (PAC-12)
09/19 - at Temple
2021
09/04 - Temple
09/11 - UCLA (PAC-12)
2022
09/17 - at Temple
2023
09/09 - Temple
09/16 - Virginia Tech (ACC)
2024
09/21 - at Virginia Tech (ACC)
We also have a Miami at home game which is pending the date. That is it for now.
2017
09/02 - Washington (PAC-12)
09/09 - Morgan State (last FCS school)
09/16 - Eastern Michigan
2018
09/01 - Texas State
09/15 - at Kansas (Big12)
09/22 - Buffalo
2019
09/21 - at Miami (FL) (ACC)
2020
09/05 - at UCLA (PAC-12)
09/19 - at Temple
2021
09/04 - Temple
09/11 - UCLA (PAC-12)
2022
09/17 - at Temple
2023
09/09 - Temple
09/16 - Virginia Tech (ACC)
2024
09/21 - at Virginia Tech (ACC)
We also have a Miami at home game which is pending the date. That is it for now.
Lol, so the highly successful head coach prior to Petersen gets no credit and Petersen hordes it all ... because it furthers your argument. To break that down, the head coach had nothing to do with recruiting and preparing the players that made the legendary 2006 run, the year following his departure. And I guess he had nothing to do with compiling his own winning record, getting ranked several years in a row and helping create national relevancy around a former FCS program in Idaho.
I wonder if Petersen would agree?
And how about the coach prior to Hawkins, who went 26-10 and transitioned Boise from Big Sky to WAC, a pretty big part of stepping them to big time, BCS-busting ball. (For fun shits and giggles, that coach has several Schiano connections) I don't think Petersen was a part of his staff (Hawkins was his OC, though), but I guess Petersen is such an epic juggernaut that he was totally responsible for his success, too.
Boise was on an upward trajectory for years before Petersen became head coach. He was great, no doubt, but it's not like we're looking at a ground-up build, a la Schiano.
Long story short, the idea that we shouldn't schedule a team because of who they just hired as their new head coach is fundamentally stupid. Which is why we didn't do it.
wait. there is no return game at New Mexico? damn, i was hoping for a return...
the world doesn't revolve the I-95 corridor, good to schedule OOC games nationally, 1 per season...
no more service academies...why doesn't PSU play them?
I'm fine with scheduling a Cuse or UConn or Temple...it's doesn't ahve to be 1 extreme or the other...
I live in CA and enjoy the opportunity to get out to a game...alums live everywhere...
the world doesn't revolve the I-95 corridor, good to schedule OOC games nationally, 1 per season...
no more service academies...why doesn't PSU play them?
I'm fine with scheduling a Cuse or UConn or Temple...it's doesn't ahve to be 1 extreme or the other...
I live in CA and enjoy the opportunity to get out to a game...alums live everywhere...
Thank You for finally admitting that Chris Petersen is a great coach, because, that was my point. College Football experts knew that Chris Petersen was going to improve a Washington Football program that was already very good before Washington hired him as soon as his hiring was announced.
Petersen had served as offensive coordinator at Boise State for five seasons before he became their Head Coach and was twice nominated for the Broyles Award given to the nation's best assistant coach during that timeframe.
Boise State has finished in the Top 10 of four AP Final Polls in their history.
In 2006, Boise State finished 5th in the country under Petersen.
In 2009, Boise State finished 4th in the country under Petersen.
In 2010, Boise State finished 9th in the country under Petersen.
in 2011, Boise State finished 8th in the country under Petersen.
Chris Petersen has a 108-24 record as a Head Coach working on an existing 4-game win streak.
Rutgers Football didn't need the Washington series. I'll bet that JH got it in part, because, many other programs weren't as eager to take such a series on.
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PSU played Navy in 2012 and Army in 2015. They have many other regional series setup for the future with schools that are close to PA like the following:
Akron, Kent State, Pitt, Temple, VT and West Virginia.
PSU doesn't need to travel to the West Coast so they save money and play more regional OOC games. Rutgers should schedule in a somewhat similar manner to be successful.
Have you ever been to a Rutgers game vs. Army or Navy ?
Army and Navy are both class acts and they actually provide some national and even global interest. Michie Stadium at West Point is a beautiful place to watch a college football game. Unfortunately, the last Army vs. Rutgers game that I went to was the one where Eric LeGrand got injured. Army and Navy also travel well adding many fans in seats at High Point Solutions Stadium.
If you want to become a national brand (and that's what the B1G expects out of its members) then you play on a national level and you don't keep it to the Northeastern part of the US. You aren't in the Big East anymore. The B1G expects all its members to play anywhere and everywhere.
That's hogwash. With where RU is as a program right now, them travelling all the way across the country to play a game does absolutely nothing for them. Now, if the game were in PrimeTime then I would concede that as a positive. Playing a 2:00 game amidst everyone else's does nothing to bring them additional exposure. How many Washington, Oregon, California and Idaho kids are now saying, "boy, I wish I could grow up and play at Rutgers." It just makes no sense for numerous reasons.
USC, Texas, Notre Dame, the Florida teams, OSU, Michigan and maybe a handful of others are a national brand that can go on a road show and possibly get some traction for it. Teams like Penn State, Rutgers, Washington, etc. simply don't have that luxury right now.
Nice trip? Sure. Good for fans? Absolutely. Impactful for their football program? Nope.
PSU is a pseudo member of the B1G. It's like you people don't even belong in that conference. Your OCC is beyond pathetic. One of the B1G's biggest mistakes was taking PSU in as a member of that conference. PSU has as much in common with the B1G as does pizza in a Chinese restaurant. PSU should be independent .. that way you can play all your games in the Northeastern part of the US.
Especially here. Tons of RU alums on the west coast and is a market they are working hard to tap.
