Butler just beat Purdue despite the fact that Dunham was 0-12! 40% of the league will be in the top 15 next week.
Butler just beat Purdue despite the fact that Dunham was 0-12! 40% of the league will be in the top 15 next week.
The only advantage that The Hall has over RU is that they play in a much nicer arena.
Aside from that, RU has better resources and should be better, but The Hall is clearly better.
Aside from that, RU has better resources and should be better, but The Hall is clearly better.
missed this thread but SHU is an average program....they won today, which is a big win, but they are not going to the NCAA's anytime soon and they had this same scenario last year after beating St Johns and Villanova or Georgetown early last year.....and don't mistake Eddie and our staff for a good one, our players with a normal coaching staff and basic coaching is comparable to SHU.....SHU has always had solid talent and then lost 5 out of 7 to Rice when he was here, most of the times when RU was shorthanded or significant underdogs on paper in Years one and 2....
SJU also beat Syracuse Sunday and promptly lost to Incarnate Word by 22 last night....which SJU program are we watching or judging????....any team can have their day.....remember RU beat Wisconsin last year as well....Utah also beat Duke at MSG, a place Duke rarely ever loses in.....are we going to write off Duke, missing their one legitimate big person, out with a broken foot??? Folks need to relax a bit....
I watch more basketball than I care to admit and night in and night out, SHU is an average program. If we fast forward to mid February, we can revisit the conversation. I will assuredly eat my words if Seton Hall rolls to a 20 win season and the NCAA's....the Big East is extremely balanced this year, the only teams I see in the bottom 3 are Creighton, St. Johns and DePaul and all have new coaches or are getting better play in recent weeks.
Last point regarding coaching.....RU is trending as an 11 point Home underdog to Monmouth.....at some point when Michigan State or Purdue or another B1G team visits the RAC, will there be a 18 to 19 point or 20 point spread?? This is the levels of where RU is right now, but don't mistake organizational or RU's decline as showing teams having elevated talent or coaching elsewhere. This is still the same roster that essentially should have buried St John's on the road, but hasn't looked the same since that night.
RU has decent pieces and I'm including what I saw live at the open practice with Nigel Johnson....Johnson, Sanders and Freeman all play on or start on SHU's roster today. I also think we are not seeing the Wichita State team we saw from the last 2 seasons, they are missing pieces in C. Early (two years ago, drafted by the Knicks) and another big that graduated last year to balance off their backcourt. While the Shockers carry significant weight as a program and are well coached, they are not the team we have seen of the last 2 seasons. They arrived today as a small favorite at Seton Hall, essentially a toss up game on paper.
SJU also beat Syracuse Sunday and promptly lost to Incarnate Word by 22 last night....which SJU program are we watching or judging????....any team can have their day.....remember RU beat Wisconsin last year as well....Utah also beat Duke at MSG, a place Duke rarely ever loses in.....are we going to write off Duke, missing their one legitimate big person, out with a broken foot??? Folks need to relax a bit....
I watch more basketball than I care to admit and night in and night out, SHU is an average program. If we fast forward to mid February, we can revisit the conversation. I will assuredly eat my words if Seton Hall rolls to a 20 win season and the NCAA's....the Big East is extremely balanced this year, the only teams I see in the bottom 3 are Creighton, St. Johns and DePaul and all have new coaches or are getting better play in recent weeks.
Last point regarding coaching.....RU is trending as an 11 point Home underdog to Monmouth.....at some point when Michigan State or Purdue or another B1G team visits the RAC, will there be a 18 to 19 point or 20 point spread?? This is the levels of where RU is right now, but don't mistake organizational or RU's decline as showing teams having elevated talent or coaching elsewhere. This is still the same roster that essentially should have buried St John's on the road, but hasn't looked the same since that night.
RU has decent pieces and I'm including what I saw live at the open practice with Nigel Johnson....Johnson, Sanders and Freeman all play on or start on SHU's roster today. I also think we are not seeing the Wichita State team we saw from the last 2 seasons, they are missing pieces in C. Early (two years ago, drafted by the Knicks) and another big that graduated last year to balance off their backcourt. While the Shockers carry significant weight as a program and are well coached, they are not the team we have seen of the last 2 seasons. They arrived today as a small favorite at Seton Hall, essentially a toss up game on paper.
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maybe with your "unbiased ", "nonpartisan" analysis, you should watch more movies than basketball. Your hatred is showing and you can't recognize it.
no worries....I don't control whether teams make the tournament or not....the results and teams on the court do.....my opinion stands and most times (not all the time) is usually accurate.
I have zero feel for the Big East squads like Marquette, Providence (severely overrated Friars right now)SHU, Creighton, GTown....but they appear to all be better than DePaul and St. John's, but even those two teams wind up winning 4 or 5 conference games a year and SHU typically drops games to DePaul, St. John's or Marquette when they shouldn't on paper.............that middle group is too erratic from what I've seen this year, so perhaps one of these four or five schools steps forward and makes the NCAA's........
You can toss a blanket over all 5 of those right now teams and pick an order of who finishes 4th behind Villanova, Xavier and Butler, who appear to be the Top 3 squads I've seen...any of them can be that next team, but I don't see enough from SHU that says they are clearly better than any of those teams.
It's a very balanced league and I see a LOT of close games in the middle of the pack of this league. I'm not sold on SHU leading that pack from what I've seen for the entire season, just my opinion.....
I have zero feel for the Big East squads like Marquette, Providence (severely overrated Friars right now)SHU, Creighton, GTown....but they appear to all be better than DePaul and St. John's, but even those two teams wind up winning 4 or 5 conference games a year and SHU typically drops games to DePaul, St. John's or Marquette when they shouldn't on paper.............that middle group is too erratic from what I've seen this year, so perhaps one of these four or five schools steps forward and makes the NCAA's........
You can toss a blanket over all 5 of those right now teams and pick an order of who finishes 4th behind Villanova, Xavier and Butler, who appear to be the Top 3 squads I've seen...any of them can be that next team, but I don't see enough from SHU that says they are clearly better than any of those teams.
It's a very balanced league and I see a LOT of close games in the middle of the pack of this league. I'm not sold on SHU leading that pack from what I've seen for the entire season, just my opinion.....
There is a pretty big talent gap between SHU and RU. I know many criticized Willard for how landed the Whitehead/Delgado
Disagree. SHU has more talent than RU right now. Their soph class with Whitehead/Delgado/Carrington/Rodriguez is where SHU has a clear advantage.
EJ really has to upgrade his recruiting and player development to improve this program. The most troubling for RU right now is the lack of commitments for 2016.
Disagree. SHU has more talent than RU right now. Their soph class with Whitehead/Delgado/Carrington/Rodriguez is where SHU has a clear advantage.
EJ really has to upgrade his recruiting and player development to improve this program. The most troubling for RU right now is the lack of commitments for 2016.
seem like your "usually accurate" opinion has the Big East "overrated". Where, with your "usually accurate" opinion would Rutgers end up in this "overrated" conference?????? Wait...you already lost to two out of the three worst teams in the league. During the summer you came on our board to till us in your "usually accurate " opinion that Rutgers "will be fine and you have no worries". How's that working out for you? BTW it's great being an obscure poster where few remember your opinion. Seton Hall may very well fold again and I am prepared for it but I am a fan not analyst and nether are you. So get over yourself.
Nova is a fraud because they built a gaudy OOC mark and lofty ranking on basically cupcakes with a couple of mediocre schools throw in. Then they were bitchslapped on a neutral court by a very good Oklahoma and now another loss to UVA. Yes those are good teams but that's the point, they failed to win either of their tests and probably are behind Xavier in the pecking order in league
meh Seton Hall has a long way to go to prove they will be in the NCAA...a long way and one thing Willard is good for is tanking in the 2nd half of the season
I have never understood how SHU even continues to exist, muchless field a decent basketball team, but they do.
I am not from NJ but I cant imagine how hard it must be to make a tiny little campus on the outskirts of Newark NJ and a price tag comparable to Yale attractive to anyone muchless basketball players. Other than Basketball they have almost NO national presence of any kind.
On a casual level... I had an SHU friend and we traveled cross country to CAL,,,people would ask about education and I would say I went to Cornell and Rutgers and most would say "cool..two Ivy League schools"(to which i never argued......)...my friend would say Seton Hall and the almost unanimously people would say wither "where?" or "never heard of it"....it became a running joke for the entire trip LOL
Rutgers has advantages on almost every level...huge, beautiful campus, a national academic reputation, HUGE athletic program and a price tag that is a bargain.
Yet, year after year SHU fields a better program than Rutgers. They have had a better record for many years.....and have gone deeper into the playoffs for over 35 years.......its beyond me how they do it....
I am not from NJ but I cant imagine how hard it must be to make a tiny little campus on the outskirts of Newark NJ and a price tag comparable to Yale attractive to anyone muchless basketball players. Other than Basketball they have almost NO national presence of any kind.
On a casual level... I had an SHU friend and we traveled cross country to CAL,,,people would ask about education and I would say I went to Cornell and Rutgers and most would say "cool..two Ivy League schools"(to which i never argued......)...my friend would say Seton Hall and the almost unanimously people would say wither "where?" or "never heard of it"....it became a running joke for the entire trip LOL
Rutgers has advantages on almost every level...huge, beautiful campus, a national academic reputation, HUGE athletic program and a price tag that is a bargain.
Yet, year after year SHU fields a better program than Rutgers. They have had a better record for many years.....and have gone deeper into the playoffs for over 35 years.......its beyond me how they do it....
Because the RAC is built over an American Indian burial ground, or Tom Young flew to Haiti in 1975, and performed an animal sacrifice in secret. Let me go undefeated, even if we suck for fifty years starting in 1992. Or maybe it was Bob Wenzel that flew to Haiti right after he took the job in 1988.
All kidding aside. It's getting to the point that a curse begins to make sense. That "Rutgers Basketball What Ifs" post knocked me off the cliff. Should have been called "Rutgers Basketball Curse Proof Points". Maybe it's me. My last three years at RU were the Littlepage Error. I witnessed the 16 game losing streak. I was one of about 50 fans to watch Tom Savage (The Original, #35) beat Penn State to snap the streak. Maybe I should jump of a real cliff, and save the program.
SHU is better than RU for two reasons. One, we suck. Two, Freddie G. said "NO" to the Big East in 1979, and SHU got our spot. If he said "YES", SHU would probably be playing conference games with Monmouth, and we wouldn't suck.
All kidding aside. It's getting to the point that a curse begins to make sense. That "Rutgers Basketball What Ifs" post knocked me off the cliff. Should have been called "Rutgers Basketball Curse Proof Points". Maybe it's me. My last three years at RU were the Littlepage Error. I witnessed the 16 game losing streak. I was one of about 50 fans to watch Tom Savage (The Original, #35) beat Penn State to snap the streak. Maybe I should jump of a real cliff, and save the program.
SHU is better than RU for two reasons. One, we suck. Two, Freddie G. said "NO" to the Big East in 1979, and SHU got our spot. If he said "YES", SHU would probably be playing conference games with Monmouth, and we wouldn't suck.
Having attended both Seton Hall and Rutgers, I don't believe the difference is as stark as you make it out to be. Full disclosure, I'm a Seton Hall Basketball fan and a Rutgers Football fan. Rutgers has the general advantage on academics (sans Law School and probably International Relations school). Seton Hall has the general advantage of college campus (granted SHU is near Newark, but the campus itself is much more beautiful). Rutgers has the normal college experience you see on TV whereas Seton Hall is more like a continuation of high school (small, tightly nit community). Seton Hall is a piece of cake to get into (basically just apply and pay the app fee), but Rutgers isn't difficult either for anyone of normal intelligence. They each generally attract a different type of student, although I know a number of people who attended both.
As for attracting basketball players: basketball plays second fiddle to no one on campus. If you're a big time player, the Seton Hall community treats you that way. Rutgers Football is the big draw in Piscataway. No one really cares about basketball. That plays a bigger part than you might think.
As for your West Coast friends' perception, I can't speak to that. Rutgers of course should have a national presence as they are a state school. If not for basketball, no one would have ever heard of SHU (not should they have). The quality of education I received from both is basically the same.
you should not bring up examples that don't support your crusade.
Baylor followed the normal path when you have a scandal.
scandal. =======>. Decline to Rock bottom ========> Recovery
Year one - 8-21
Year two - 9-19
Year three - 15-16
same with Indiana, 6-25, 10-21, 12-20
When I criticize posters for not using common sense this is what I mean, the scandal is NOT rock bottom. That comes afterwards when the next coach has to deal with mess made by the previous coach.
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Jordan's win totals, unlike Drew and Crean, are going downward.
Jordan is not going to eclipse 10 wins and we are trending downward with no one interested from the next 2-3 classes. Especially with the results from SHU and GW games becoming the norm.
11-point home dogs to instate MAAC school which has brighter future than RU at the moment.
In fact, Monmouth has more impressive wins in one year than Eddies 2 1/2 seasons.
Maybe a four star PF wants to sign here or maybe he read Jordan's we don't practice rebounding and thought otherwise.
Jordan is not going to eclipse 10 wins and we are trending downward with no one interested from the next 2-3 classes. Especially with the results from SHU and GW games becoming the norm.
11-point home dogs to instate MAAC school which has brighter future than RU at the moment.
In fact, Monmouth has more impressive wins in one year than Eddies 2 1/2 seasons.
Maybe a four star PF wants to sign here or maybe he read Jordan's we don't practice rebounding and thought otherwise.
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Try to keep up, re-read my post, it says decline to rock bottom. My post is about realistic expectations. Do you know what normal is for Rutgers basketball over the last 25 years.......under .500 and missing out on the NIT.
what's needed.....invest in facilities to create some positive buzz...attract better players. Every coach says the same things....'bad players get you fired".
Rutgers should announce something before the next hire, hopefully this spring with a date to put shovels in ground, and we can go from there.
I don't think you'll see much X's and O's discussion since there's very little of that going on during game days
Stop with the Seton Hall campus on the outskirts of Newark BS I have 3daughters one a Seton Hall grad. one attending grad. school at Montclair State and my youngest a senior at rutgers .Guess what my daughter who lives 2 blocks from the rutgers campus two blocks off college ave. has been broken into and vandalized twice .MY other 2 daughters who also both lived off campus 0 problems so please don't give me that outskirt of Newark campus stuff or any other north jersey bias.
Wow! What street off college ave if you don't mind me asking. I remember a couple years ago hearing about a crime alert just off Union
Hawk is delusional with his comparable talent comment. That aside, I agree with Bac that SHU is an average team right now. However, SHU for the first time has a very balanced Team due to the emergence of Desi Rodriguez, Sonogo and Nzei. Also, Willard is fighting for his professional existence. The early indications are that he has put his arrogant and obstinate ways behind him. Last year's Team was too dependent on guard play and ultimately torn apart by the riff between Gibbs / Sina and the freshmen. It's Achilles heel this year is its thinness at the guard position. SHU needs its guards all to stay healthy if it's going to make noise.
She lives on Courtland St. also a member of Alpha Kappa Psi Co ED buisiness fraternity and will be graduating in may. That will be the next and LAST time I will be down there.
BAC has been exposed as a fraud, again!
do you realize St Joes is their best win...have they beaten a likely NCAA tourney team yet, somehow they have manipulated the rpi as they are like 3 without beating anyone of note.
of course they will be dancing but they are not a legit national contenders much like last year...paper tiger that amasses an inflated win total
a bitter bitter man. Bac's logic.....Rutgers= Nova why??? Both will lose their last game.
What an obviously biased and BS post. Your handle gives you away it is so obvious.
SHU is on the edge of one of the most dangerous cities in the country, crime-wise, and has more than its share of criminal acts, like students being held up at gunpoint. This happened only a few months ago.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...Alert-Students-Robbed-Gunpoint-272913841.html
Of course you don't mention that. If you think New Brunswick is more dangerous than Newark, then you've obviously bought into the BS Seton Hall is selling you, along with that outrageous price tag they charge for a crappy education.
I'm not going to pretend Newark is great, but let's not make New Brunswick out to be a suburban oasis. I have google too.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/31/rutgers-university-new-brunswick-crimes/
http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/seven-arrests-no-crime-alert-after-armed-robbery-student
http://abc7ny.com/news/series-of-un...ing-victims-on-around-rutgers-campus/1120567/
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/31/rutgers-university-new-brunswick-crimes/
http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/seven-arrests-no-crime-alert-after-armed-robbery-student
http://abc7ny.com/news/series-of-un...ing-victims-on-around-rutgers-campus/1120567/
I never said NB was an oasis....I'm talking to the Pirate fan who acts like SHU is the safest place on the earth while RU is some crime infested hell hole. I could google further and triple the three links you provided, showing South Orange and Newark with all its warts.
