You really think the talent is comparable? Do you think any RU guy would start for us?
I was rooting for you the other day. Enough of this Monmouth stuff...lol. (I used to go to Monmouth when in HS to watch Ron Kornegay...(and Barone, and Halicki - future SF Giant pitcher - and Mc Entyre...) those guys cold play! I wouldn't mind getting Monmouth back on the schedule. We opened the new MAC back when bg was here. A 3 or 4 for 1 seems right.
Only a few months ago? This happened back in August of 2014. Unless your supposed facts are correct, your statement holds no validity.My daughter is a junior at Rutger's and almost daily gets an alert regarding some sort of criminal activity. You are barking up the wrong tree if you think that South Orange is an undesirable town. There are many million dollar plus properties that usually sell within a few days of being listed.
Come on Mike. The topic of conversation on your trip to California turned to education? The people you conversed with stated that Rutger's was an Ivy League University? My daughter attends Rutger's and granted, it is a very good school. I graduated from Rutger's Law School in the 90's and never did anyone congratulate me on attending an Ivy League School. I understand that you love your school. However you are being delusional if you believe that Rutger's is front of mind to those outside of the Tri-state area.
To be fair, if you took virtually any coach--including the sainted Coach K, who is said to be the most foul mouthed D 1 coach anywhere, and filmed selected snippets of them over an extended period, as Murdoch did, it would not be pretty. Murdoch did it for unsavory motives; Pernetti chose to suspend, not fire. The dumb move was firing Gary Waters. who "only" managed NIT appearances, made the RAC into a torture chamber for BE opponents because it was always raucous, and just cannot remember any negative pub about his players. But gee, Bannon, Fred Hill, Mike Rice (who, incidentally, I thought was a great choice). What a legacy! And we forced out the best coach we had since forever? Very disappointed in Eddie Jordan, who was a decent NBA coach, but apparently unsuited for college ball. Then again, some number of touted college coaches have had trouble in the NBA, like Caliapari, Pitino and Mike Montgomery. We need a young coach who is successful at a lower school, but they would think twice about coming here. Mike Rice was that guy, except for his issues.
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He's right. I had the exact same experience many years ago in San Francisco. Played golf at Harding Park and when the twosome my buddy and I were coupled up with saw the Rutgers hat I had on, they told me I must be a pretty smart having attended an Ivy league school.
It happens all the time. I've had several RU buddies tell me how they've experienced this common misconception....just as I'm sure your daughter will also. We arenot being delusional by recounting stories of Rutgers having a better reputation the further you get away from NJ. You are the one being delusional if you think it doesn't happen.
You're not being delusional and the parent of the Rutgers grad is being ignorant. I've lived in California for 32 years. Whenever I wear any Rutgers gear people think it's part of the Ivy League. It has happened not once, not twice but dozens and dozens of times.
Buggsy, I also have degree from RU. No one has ever told me that I attended an Ivy League school. I question the intelligence of any one who can't distinguish between an Ivy League school and a good Eastern University. There aren't that many Ivy League schools and they are very well known to people of average intelligence.
I'm not saying they are smart....I'm saying they think RU is an IVY. Probably also think Bucknell is an Ivy....because they both have Ivy sounding names.
It happens. Deal with it!
let me get this straight, you guys are proud that some ignorant people think Rutgers is Ivy League because the name Rutgers sounds Ivy "like Bucknell " Are these the same type people that think England won the civil war? How about Colgate , Georgetown, William and Mary and Ramapo? What an embarrassment. I have read this story from time to time over the years and it sounds like it's a point of pride for some. IT'S A MISTAKE by someone who does not know. I am willing to bet that there are more people in this country that have never heard of Rutgers than think it's an Ivy League school. What do you think?
Let me make it easy for you, since you are a little slow.
People across the country know Rutgers to be a very old, very good school. Some even mistakenly think Rutgers is an IVY League school. That is something you wouldn't understand having attended Seton Hall University.
If you go west of Pennsylvania, people have not heard of Seton Hall. If they have, they think it is some random academic building at a real university.
I apologize for being so slow but can you explain to me why quoting you directly, causes you to resort to personal attacks??? Since you have a better education than I do, can you site the study that reveals the conclusion that the reason for this honest mistake is because the study group truly thought Rutgers was a "very good school" rather than the "name" Rutgers sounded like an Ivy League school. While your at it you can also site the study about the % of people west of Pennsylvania that "have not heard of Seton Hall".
Quote from Mr. Magoo a Rutgers poster "The crime off college ave is ridiculous. The area has become a cesspool".
You are slower than I thought. If you need a source that Rutgers is a very good school, with a very good academic reputation, along with having a pseudo Ivy league sounding name to many not on the East Coast (hence my reasoning that Rutgers is commonly grouped in with Ivy league schools?)
How about one of the top 100 college reputations in the world?
http://www.nj.com/education/2014/03...he_world_princeton_rutgers_make_new_list.html
Not enough for you?
USA Today/College Factual: Best Colleges
# 23 in the nation, Public Colleges Nationwide
U.S. News & World Report: America's Best Colleges
NYC/NJ Metropolitan Region
# 1 public national university
The Business Journals: Rankings of U.S. Public Colleges
# 30 in the nation
U.S. News & World Report: Schools Producing the Most Fortune 500 CEOs
# 10 in the nation, with 11 graduates
Shanghai Jiao Tong University (China) Academic Ranking of World Universities
# 64 in the world
# 39 in the nation
Center for World University Rankings
# 50 in the world
# 33 in the nation
# 17 public university in the nation
U.S. News & World Report: Best Global Universities
# 60 in the world
# 38 in the nation
Wall Street Journal
# 21 in the nation, corporate recruiter pick for best graduates
# 3 among nation's undergraduate business programs, corporate recruiter pick for best graduates
As far as a source that no one further west than Pennsylvania has heard of Seton Hall....that comes from the same source that you quoted...that there are more people in this country that have never heard of Rutgers than think it's an Ivy League school.
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Just what I thought...no study. Just wishful thinking. All your information proves that Rutgers gives one a good public education but is light years from any Ivy League school. Those random people heard the name Rutgers and because of the name ( like Bucknell), these ignorant people guessed it was Ivy. Has nothing to do with academics. If they don't know the eight Ivy schools, then they have no clue about Rutgers being only a good Public school. Therefore it's just the name that confuses them. Maybe these ignorant people saw Rutgers basketball team over the last 24 years and assumed you were in the Ivy League. That's as good as a conclusion as any of yours.
Why are you here? Is SHU so underwhelming that you need to discuss what people say about us?
Are you really going to tell us that people don't mistakenly call RU an IVY, when multiple people have recounted stories proving just that? How in the world would you know what people across the country are saying about Rutgers?
You wouldn't.
Please go away! I proved that RU is thought of as a world class institution by multiple media outlets. I proved how the misconception about Rutgers comes about.
That is a problem SHU will never have. It's simply not a good enough school to be confused with a world class institution. It's not my fault you went to, or support a school whose reputation pales in comparison to Rutgers.
I'm not on your board telling you that, I'm on a Rutgers board. If you don't like, leave, and don't come back.
I am here because this thread was about Seton Hall ( the school I love)and evolved into a fantasy about Rutgers. Rutgers is a good state school nothing more and anyone who thinks it is Ivy league should be dismissed immediately as uninformed not embraced . If your not satisfied with your education this not the way to impress people...if you are, it's just a silly story. Be happy with your good State funded education. I received a good education,had a noble carrier and got to play in a college world series. I have no doubt that there a people out there that think Rutgers may be Ivy League but to think it's because of academics and not the Ivy type name (Rutgers)is delusional .
It's not a fantasy. It's real. It happens. Rutgers fans who travel all have similar stories. I know it is a foreign concept to you, because quite frankly, people around the country either have never heard of SHU, or they think it is not a very good school. I know that must be painful for you to hear, but it is the truth, and the sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be when talking education with people that went to actually challenging universities.
I'm glad you are all right with paying a "world class" tuition for only a Seton Hall-quality "private" education. Let me guess. You went to a private high school, and either you....or your parents were dumb enough to think that just because Seton Hall is private, it is better than going to publicly funded school?
Serious question. Did your parents pressure you to go to a mediocre private academic school just so they can say their kid went to a private university?
There is not one single study or college academic ranking that puts your "private" education on anything resembling an even playing field with Rutgers, so you can kindly take your "publicly funded" attempt at an insult and shove it.
If you have had such a world class education, then why do you live in such a modest home? You are delusional and demeaning at the same time. Your ignorance is in full display when you criticize a University that molded the athletic director whom you trust for your future athletic success. Also, the reason I am here is because I too am a Rutgers grad, albeit Rutgers Law School.
Modest home? Like you know the type of home I live in, and where.
I have zero respect for Seton Hall, because quite frankly, people can get a better education at Brookdale Community College, and pay a fraction of the cost.
I have no respect for you, since you willingly chose to go to a school that will admit anyone stupid enough to cough up 50K a year for that education.
Go back to the Seton Hall board, and join your other underachievers.
I agree with your point. It's the name. I went to public school. Seton Hall was the first and only private school I ever attended. Your psychoanalysis of me and my parents are completely wrong.Your insistence that your school has comparable academics to an Ivy League school because uninformed people think Rutgers sounds like an Ivy League school is real creepy and embarrassing. Yet you have a need to prove to me, (with all your lists), what I already know, Rutgers is a good state school but is nowhere near Ivy levels. Remember, you gave the quote above not me, and that's exactly how I feel is the reason.
First of all, I never said we have comparable academics to the Ivies....those are your words you are trying to put in my mouth. I said we have very good academics, and I proved it multiple times. I coupled that with the .....ohhh never mind.
If you are not intelligent enough to discern what my point is....after I have made it several times now, then it just further proves my point about what people think about Seton Hall, and how intelligent people are that went there.
I'm sorry but you sound very immature, bitter , angry and quite frankly uneducated. You need to take a deep breath over this meaningless discussion. Your attacks on Seton Hall are unbecoming. I have been following Seton Hall and Rutgers Basketball for over 40 years. I have Rutgers and Seton Hall graduates in my family. There's one thing I can guarantee ,when Rutgers football or basketball starts their yearly fall their fan's will brag about their "superior" education to change the subject. It happens every year. This basketball year is happening already and it's still December. Merry Christmas.
Please, for the love of God...just go away.
You are obviously someone who is easily angered that Rutgers gets compliments all across the country for the academic reputation it has, since Seton Hall does not have a good one.
It obviously pisses you off that people hold us in high regard. Again, unlike Seton Hall.
I get it, but I'm tired of you misconstruing my posts....as if I need to spell it out for you like I do for my 7 year old. Are you really that bad at comprehension, or as you just screwing with me?
I couldn't possibly care less about your school. I wish you would feel the same about my school and just leave this RUTGERS board immediately.
We have one post about SHU in the last three years and we get under-educated fools like you over here defending your school. No one here cares. No one.
then we agree on all points and yet we argue. The only difference is I was civil and you were a nasty elitist who looks down at anything Seton Hall probably because your reading a Rutgers basketball web site.
First of all, it's you're reading....., not YOUR reading.
You're the elitist, making sure to call Rutgers a "state" school every time you refer to us. That is the definition of an elitist statement, you pompous ass.
And laughable, since you only went to Seton Hall.
Just go away! I'll stop talking about SHU's shitty academic reputation if you just go away!
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This was about basketball and you turned this into which academic institution is better. Some people decide to go to a school because of a program. Others go because of acholarship money given at a specific school, Etc. I can tell you that the law program at SHU is much better than RU.
I willingly chose to go to the same school but attended RU......So you don't respect someone because they spent a lot of money for their education? All I have to say is WOW and ROFLMAO!
How do you know they coughed up any money and were not given a scholarship? Isn't that speculation on your part?
I agree with the poster above that your comments are very elitist. Fortunately not all RU grads are like this.
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Agreed.
The thing that is more important than school affiliation is what someone does with their education. You can do well coming out of RU or SHU. It is up to the individual.
