Upfront money paid to high school kids, promises on yearly NIL and free agency portal has changed the entire process of program building.
It’s changed the perception on how to build a program as well.
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You may disagree, but this is really Year 2
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It’s changed the perception on how to build a program as well.
It depends on how the Big Ten alters divisions, and when.
But as is now, 2024 and 2025, I’d say 4-7 wins both seasons. And after that, 4-8 wins most years. I reserve the right to change that once I hear what the big ten does.
When success is entirely out of my control, setting high expectations would be stupidly self-defeating. I like being happy and I’m good at it. This is part of that. 🙂
It’s not happening before 2024 (conference realignment)
So 2024 in the B1G East.
I mean just look through the preseason threads. We’ve honestly hit expectations.
It’s just that there were winnable games that we lost/blew so people are salty saying everything sucks.
By far, the best way for any coach to control mistakes and turnovers is to build enough depth of talent to bench those players causing problems. That’s impossible to do in just 3 or 4 years.
As for recruiting, I am pretty sure no coach has a crystal ball that tells them who will become a turnover machine. So they do their best to get those players who don’t statistically or otherwise demonstrate that potential.
I suspect that, as the talent and athleticism improve, the mistakes will become less frequent. But again, that doesn’t happen overnight.
In Schiano's first year didn't we play a BIG only schedule and isn't that when he won 3 BIG games. So by your arguments he did that with Ash's recruits. Since then he has added more of his players and won fewer BIG games. Hmmm Interesting
Oh you mean you don’t love Danny Dimes???? Lol.
I also expect them to struggle the second half but I think they’re capable of going 3-3. Philly looks beatable, I don’t know what to think about Dallas, lose to a struggling Green Bay last week only to destroy the Vikings today in their own building…
2024 is when USC/UCLA join. Conference announced that the current divisions would remain the same and that they would revisit for 2024 when the new members join. Speculation is three locked rivals with six additional conference games. Every team would play each other once home and once away in a four-year span. Of course this assumes no more expansion by then. Assuming Penn State is one of Rutgers' locked rivals, we'll probably still have to play at least one of Michigan/OSU/USC every year in addition to Penn State, and half of the time two of those in addition to Penn State so its still going to be a tough schedule.
Not sure which part you’re disagreeing about, but feel free to make a logical case for your disagreement.
Since Schiano doesn’t have 100% of his recruits, I think next year should be considered year 1 and he should be given at least 3 years after that before he can receive any potential criticism.
Everything doesn't suck. Picking games based on preseason expectations isn't the same as live expectations based on the changing circumstances. You said it yourself. We blew several games. Going in 4 was a fair guess. We should be at least 5-6 with a chance for a bowl or possibly as already have the 6:wins. Minimum, the Maryland game should have bowl implications based on the nebby, Iowa, and msu games.
Nope. Tired of this . Everyone can just be happy with things. And so you know. I kicked in a grand to the bring Greg back fund.
Let's just count the COVID season twice, so that this is actually year 1. The mental gymnastics some folks engage in to rationalize Schiano's failures to date is cult-like.
Maybe the OLine would be better if ONeal wasn’t chased out of his starting spot at Rutgers but was still good enough to play LT for the # 17 team in the country
I think everything you said is totally fair, but people are acting as if the sky is falling and I don’t think it’s all that bad.
I really just want to see Gavin next season and see what happens from there.
The excuse making is reaching all time highs already.
THIS.
Schiano apologists are absolutely hilarious. Finding every possible scenario to bail out a HC who is clearly out his element leading a team in the B1G.
Best post in thread. Most programs have upperclassmen as the core of their team. Unfortunately, we don't and it shows.
Iowa may very well win the West. Two freak plays turn the game. Iowas does not bother me.
Nebraska still bothers me the most.
MSU the next most, especially with Indiana beating them.
Maryland will be a tough game, unless this is their letdown game after giving Ohio State a heck of a game this week.
Totally irrelevant argument given the Transfer Portal. Greg Schiano had the ability over the last two years to bring in as many kids as he wanted via the TP, as many coaches have done. The fact that he has not used the TP to propel his team out of last place in his division is proof enough that he lacks the ability to produce a competitive B1G team in this current environment. Based on the team's performance this year, we can expect, and I believe even Schiano expects, some of his most talented players will seek other opportunities via the TP. That is the reality of the times, you have to win now to keep your best talent from entering the portal and to attract the best talent available in the portal to your program. This year's recruiting class is lackluster to say the least, we are not going to take the leap to even mediocrity within the B1G based on recruiting alone. His offensive instincts are archaic to today's game, his obsessive need to control every aspect of the game and his flat-out stubbornness to change has not, and will not, attract the type of player in the TP we will need going forward. He is a relic of a different era in college football, whether better or not, let's thank him for his service, and put him out to pasture where he belongs.
Right or wrong the entire perception of recruiting has changed.
For 95% of D-1 college football players, at the turn of the century it was about facilities, loyalty, quality of life, entrusting your son with someone who will teach him values and life perspective.
Actually being a student athlete and roll model.
GS recruited well in that environment.
This new professional, pay for play model at RU is not for GS.
It’s not GS’s fault the backbone and strength of his recruiting pitch was pulled out from underneath him.
USC has 26 players from the transfer portal, if that’s your cup of tea and formula for success, so be it.
For 95% of D-1 college football players, at the turn of the century it was about facilities, loyalty, quality of life, entrusting your son with someone who will teach him values and life perspective.
Actually being a student athlete and roll model.
GS recruited well in that environment.
This new professional, pay for play model at RU is not for GS.
It’s not GS’s fault the backbone and strength of his recruiting pitch was pulled out from underneath him.
USC has 26 players from the transfer portal, if that’s your cup of tea and formula for success, so be it.
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I don’t disagree but you need a foundation too. You can’t just bring in 85 guys on the portal every year. We have been using the portal to fill holes but I printed out why we had so little depth to begin with and why teams like Iowa can always win 6 or more games. Player retention and development plus they don’t play 3 Top 10 teams every year. Every 5 years or so they have great teams but mainly they are just solid. I’ll take solid for now.
Like you, I do worry about the NIL factor. SEC teams have been throwing money at players for decades but now it’s legal for everyone to do it. It’s the Wild West out there.
USC has tradition, success in the past and $$$$. We had moderate success for 9 years and that ended 8 years ago. We cannot do what USC just did. I would love it if we could.
I’ll root for the next coach no matter what but if he can make us into USC in 1 year I’ll be the most surprised and happiest fan on this board.
Sure it is, but companies are not successful immediately for the most part, they are built, and so are sports teams, especially college where attracting talent is all about perception and the coaching staff.
Who are you referring to with “let’s”? He has an 8 year contract and he’s in year 3. RU fans don’t even want to pay for NIL. So who’s paying for the Schiano 5 year buyout? You?
Better get that GoFundMe page started. Maybe hire a sky writer. 😉
I wouldn’t love it…just me my friend.
I loved targeting recruits early and watching GS do his magic witb his Escalade fleet and helicopters.
I love following the development of young players and watching them mature.
You can have the portal, it works I get it…I’m just old 😊
We peaked game 1 season 1, which apparently didn’t actually count
GS with his Escalade fleet and helicopters is rooting for money.
Money has also influenced receuiting.
Every time we beat Temple for a recruit because of GS with his escalade and helicopter - did Temple have have the funds for that? Doubtful.
Not much has really changed.
Money is still dictating college athletics.
It's okay if the money is our side, it's not okay if it isn't lol.
I've been saying IMO, dynamics are the same as they've always been by and large. Programs that had resources still do and programs that don't still don't and if anything we've benefitted by being in the B10. We will have more resources than programs that used to be our peers like Pitt/WVU/BC/Cuse etc.. and then just others out there like WF/WSU/Oregon State etc..
