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Derkack needs to get benched

you just want to argue and exaggerate/ twist to try to be "right". I have no interest in engaging with someone who doesnt want to engage in actual conversation so I'll just conclude with this...

Is Dercack's 3-point shooting (or Davis' for that matter) good? of course not. I never said it was.

but if you cant understand why its worse for a poor-shooting 5 like Cliff to shoot vs guards (for the reasons I stated above) then I cant help you.

there is ZERO reason for cliff to ever shoot a 3. If Cliff shoot multiple 3s in a game the ONLY logical thing for Pike to do would be to bench him.

but despite their poor %s there are still legit basketball reasons for guards like Dercack and Davis to shoot the occasional open 3.

many, including myself, have explained why.

have a nice day. Im done.

There is no reason for a guard like Derkack to shoot 3s if he’s shooting ar this low of a rate. It does not keep teams honest. They will beg him to take those shots. I laid out the math in the other post. You can choose to ignore the math. Have a nice day, and I hope we win today.

Derkack needs to get benched

You're using that 22.2% number as an absolute - and it just isn't one. Peter Noble isn't a 50.0% shooter, either. You need a critical mass of shots to trust a percentage, and Derkack just doesn't have one this year. Especially so when he has 183 career shots at the same distance, so we can use the 25.7% number more reliably.

He also isn't shooting threes in a bubble, where a three point attempt only has the value of a three point attempt. He's not an assembly line worker who only shoots threes - shooting infrequent threes changes the way he is defended. Making a three sets up the shot fake - which he uses frequently - which adds additional value in getting his defender off his feet and adds to increased value on his 2PA. This is Basketball 101.

And let's be honest, he already adds value to the team. Adjusted for # of possessions played, he's 2nd in assists, 2nd in FTA & FTM, 3rd in steals, 4th in rebounding (best under 6-10), 5th in DRtg (2nd best under 6-10).

There are things he needs to improve, which is expected - specifically around decision making and focus/effort - but the argument that he's somehow on anyone's "worst player" list is pretty absurd on its face.
The 25.7% includes playing at the NEC level. You realize though that doesn’t change the math enough though right? Like if I were the opposing coach, I’d throw out the red carpet for Derkack to shoot 3s at 25.7%.

The shooting math and his own +/- says he adds negative value (over the course of the entire season). That is a fact. We’re also 1-0 when he hasn’t played. You can choose to ignore facts though. What is the cost of those rebounds / assists? It’s a net negative.

Nebraska

Here’s what I can tell you about NU.

Historically and this year after being blown out(MSU and Purdue) NU plays a very good game. Hoiberg seems to get them to refocus on what they need to do to be successful.
NU will start out big in an offense that is pretty traditional with a center around the rim. Lots of motion and pick and roll stuff.
When they sub out the 7’1” dude they go to more of a 5 out type game. All the players can shoot the 3 but they go for a lot of high pick and rolls and back cuts along with high screens for 3 point shots.
NU will play to the hot hand on offense as well as try to get Williams going towards the rim. He is as much of a shooter as he is a scorer.
NU is big and very physical. How the officials call the game will be impactful.
On defense they do a lot of switching, doubling down whe around the paint and trapping in a man concept. Skip passes for 3’s are the weakness of the defense.
Essegian is the main 3 point shooter and if he is on his range is basically unlimited. He has been very cold as late so be interesting to see how it goes.
Williams, Gary, Berke(last name it too hard to spell) and Morgan will all take open 3’s to keep teams from packing the paint. Berke and Morgan are 6’10” and you have to come out on them or they will hit 3’s. Hoiberg and Ulis are situational shooters but seem to hit shots when it matters.
Hoiberg is that fly in your car that keeps landing on your face when you’re driving in bumper to bumper traffic at 80mph. Annoying as hell. He’s a sparkplug for the whole team and although not that great a basketball player he just makes plays.
Students or not the place will be full.
Good luck!!
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OT: Moderate to Significant Snow (and some rain SE of 95) for Sunday, 1/19.

An update from the NWS as of 3:44 p.m.:


For Sunday into Sunday night, the strong arctic cold front will
cross through the region early Sunday morning advecting a much
colder airmass into the region during the day. As it does so, an
area of low pressure will also be developing over the Deep South
near the tail-end of the arctic front. This area of low pressure
will ride along the frontal boundary and strengthen as it moves off
of the Carolina coastline by Sunday afternoon.

From here, forecast guidance varies greatly and ultimately will
determine what will occur Sunday afternoon into Sunday night. If the
track of the low is close enough to the coast, a large portion of
the region is likely to observe accumulating snowfall (similar to
what the 12Z/GFS depicts). If the track of the low is suppressed
further south and east (similar to the 12Z/ECMWF), then accumulating
snow may only be confined to coastal areas. Whereas if the track of
the low, hugs the immediate coastline, then the most significant
snows will be focused north and west (depicted by the 12Z/Canadian).
Regardless of the variance in global guidance, have seen an increase
in overall QPF values and in snow probs. Thus, there is an increase
in forecaster confidence that accumulating snow is on the table
Sunday afternoon/evening especially since cold air will be
advecting in from the northwest. So with this being said, the
greatest potential for higher accumulations are for areas along
the I-95 corridor and points north and west where the initial
forecast calls for 2-4" of snow through 00Z Monday. Lesser
amounts upwards of 1-2" are forecast near coastal areas through
the same timeframe. Obviously, a lot can change over the next
60-72 hours as we obtain more hi-res/short range forecast
guidance and storm total snowfall covers the `full duration` of
the event, so stay tuned for the latest details to the forecast
over the coming days!


yep definitely nothing set in stone yet at the moment as the models are still not agreeing

OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread


SNY reported it.
Meh. All SNY knows is whatever the Mets are choosing to leak to them. Nothing more, nothing less.

Both parties are leaking stuff through their chosen outlets. They are doing so for their own purposes. Not ours.

Derkack needs to get benched

It is silly.. just as silly as Derkack shooting 3s!! The absurdity is the entire point.

you’re talking about how many 3s for the mins played. Cliff played 30 mins, Derkack closer to 20. 2 for Derkack would be like 3 for cliff. Cliffs 3pt % is just as bad as Derkacks. The point is that neither should be shooting 3s, that’s how bad Derkack has been from 3 even when wide open.

You say a 5 with no outside shooting should shoot a 3 ever. What about a guard who shoots JUST AS BAD???

Isn’t it even worse that JD is shooting 22% while wide open? What about that says to you that’s a good shot?

you just want to argue and exaggerate/ twist to try to be "right". I have no interest in engaging with someone who doesnt want to engage in actual conversation so I'll just conclude with this...

Is Dercack's 3-point shooting (or Davis' for that matter) good? of course not. I never said it was.

but if you cant understand why its worse for a poor-shooting 5 like Cliff to shoot vs guards (for the reasons I and others stated above) then I cant help you.

there is ZERO reason for cliff to ever shoot a 3. If Cliff shot multiple 3s in a game the ONLY logical thing for Pike to do would be to bench him.

but despite their poor %s there are still legit basketball reasons for guards like Dercack and Davis to shoot the occasional open 3.

many, including myself, have explained why.

have a nice day. Im done.

Derkack needs to get benched

You're using that 22.2% number as an absolute - and it just isn't one. Peter Noble isn't a 50.0% shooter, either. You need a critical mass of shots to trust a percentage, and Derkack just doesn't have one this year. Especially so when he has 183 career shots at the same distance, so we can use the 25.7% number more reliably.

He also isn't shooting threes in a bubble, where a three point attempt only has the value of a three point attempt. He's not an assembly line worker who only shoots threes - shooting infrequent threes changes the way he is defended. Making a three sets up the shot fake - which he uses frequently - which adds additional value in getting his defender off his feet and adds to increased value on his 2PA. This is Basketball 101.

And let's be honest, he already adds value to the team. Adjusted for # of possessions played, he's 2nd in assists, 2nd in FTA & FTM, 3rd in steals, 4th in rebounding (best under 6-10), 5th in DRtg (2nd best under 6-10).

There are things he needs to improve, which is expected - specifically around decision making and focus/effort - but the argument that he's somehow on anyone's "worst player" list is pretty absurd on its face.

OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread

Please get Pete done... I'm begging.

My son is a baseball nut. He's obsessed. Alonso has been his #1 since he was four years old. He's got the jersey's, the cards, the fathead on the wall, the autographed framed Picture on his wall... he's 7, he loves baseball, loves the Mets, and loves Alonso.

I really don't want to crush him
My son was like that with David Wright, so for your son’s sake I hope they sign him. More than 3 years and I’m out, however.

OT: Moderate to Significant Snow (and some rain SE of 95) for Sunday, 1/19.

An update from the NWS as of 3:44 p.m.:


For Sunday into Sunday night, the strong arctic cold front will
cross through the region early Sunday morning advecting a much
colder airmass into the region during the day. As it does so, an
area of low pressure will also be developing over the Deep South
near the tail-end of the arctic front. This area of low pressure
will ride along the frontal boundary and strengthen as it moves off
of the Carolina coastline by Sunday afternoon.

From here, forecast guidance varies greatly and ultimately will
determine what will occur Sunday afternoon into Sunday night. If the
track of the low is close enough to the coast, a large portion of
the region is likely to observe accumulating snowfall (similar to
what the 12Z/GFS depicts). If the track of the low is suppressed
further south and east (similar to the 12Z/ECMWF), then accumulating
snow may only be confined to coastal areas. Whereas if the track of
the low, hugs the immediate coastline, then the most significant
snows will be focused north and west (depicted by the 12Z/Canadian).
Regardless of the variance in global guidance, have seen an increase
in overall QPF values and in snow probs. Thus, there is an increase
in forecaster confidence that accumulating snow is on the table
Sunday afternoon/evening especially since cold air will be
advecting in from the northwest. So with this being said, the
greatest potential for higher accumulations are for areas along
the I-95 corridor and points north and west where the initial
forecast calls for 2-4" of snow through 00Z Monday. Lesser
amounts upwards of 1-2" are forecast near coastal areas through
the same timeframe. Obviously, a lot can change over the next
60-72 hours as we obtain more hi-res/short range forecast
guidance and storm total snowfall covers the `full duration` of
the event, so stay tuned for the latest details to the forecast
over the coming days!
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OT: Moderate to Significant Snow (and some rain SE of 95) for Sunday, 1/19.

How does someone with 230,000 posts on any message board have time to post enough to get banned on multiple other boards?

There's a few people who fire off A TON of messages on the CE board VERY frequently. It is very interesting how much time some people spend over there but I guess everyone needs a hobby.

I made the mistake of checking it out not too long ago and it was something lol. I guess sometimes they don't get the reactions they crave over there and have to muddy up other threads for attention. Sad. Back to the round table I go.
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