With limited spots for new players, I wouldn't want to add one that is only adding a little offensive skill to a guy on the team now. Not worth the risk to chemistry and the lost opportunity to add skills we don't have IMO.
2022-23 Transfer Watch
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Toussaint managed to be inefficient in Iowa's offense which is really hard to do. No thanks. If you can't look good playing along with Garza, Murray, Bohannon, Wieskamp etc then I'm not interested.
I wouldn’t consider him a failure. I think Bohannon coming back for his 29th and 30th years hurt his development a lot. If Jordan moved on Joe would have run the show way more.
Plus Joe was just so much faster than his teammates, he had to gear down for them. An uptempo style would fit him much better. He does play tough defense and did seem to make a little progress in his shooting form.
Plus Joe was just so much faster than his teammates, he had to gear down for them. An uptempo style would fit him much better. He does play tough defense and did seem to make a little progress in his shooting form.
Joe was obviously a terrible fit for Iowa
He has Pike written all over him. Let's hope he throws a nice lob. It would give us a quick strong PG who can get into the lane and defend. Shoots well from FT line and his 2% has gone up each year.
Wing transfer is the one who really needs to be a scorer / 3 point shooter
Curbelo ranked 3rd and Joe T 6th in this site's portal rankings. Both rated 5 star transfers.
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Toussaint got passed by Tony Perkins who is the same type of player but superior across the board. Iowa had the second fastest tempo in the league so I don't buy that Toussaint played too fast for the system.
Toussaint and Curbelo …. why are people desiring them? Small in height + low 3 pt percentage is a combination this team does NOT need. Like at all. So many guards available. Need one that is going to come in and score 12+ points per game and to shoot 33%+ from 3. There are many to choose from. Toussaint or Curbelo don’t fill this team’s needs.
Rutgers needs more than one scorer out of transfer portal with the departure of Harper and Baker.
Why would we not want a guy like Curbelo who can bring his 17% 3 point shooting with him ? That 17% is gonna help big time. People still see that he was a 4 star recruit, therefore, He must be good.
Toussaint is listed at 6'0 really 5'10. At that height you need to be able to shoot and he can't. Or, at least show the ability to finish in the lane using speed. But, he is not really very good at that.
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Curbelo was the 6th man of the year as a freshman and had a ton of injuries as a sophomore.
A former four star prospect who has produced in the past but whose stock has dipped is EXACTLY the kind of player Rutgers should be looking to get. Now Curbelo is an extreme example in many ways so I understand those who don't want him (and I don't think Rutgers will be very interested anyway) but that sort of buy-low profile is what we should be targeting.
Buy low ? I agree, Can't get much lower than 17% on 3 point shots. Maybe when you add in the bad defense you can get lower.
Fast tempo does not always equal speed. How many players on Iowa are truly fast? They always have many options on offense which can lead to more shots.
Joe T. does not really fit into Iowa’s style. He was a change of pace but no one really to run with him consistently.
Looking at the classes,
Sr Caleb, might or might not return.
Jr Paul, Aundre
So Mawot, Dean, Cliff, Oskar, Jalen
Fr Derek Simpson, Antwone Woolfork
3 open
Guards- Paul, *Caleb*, Jalen, Derek,
Wings- *Caleb*, *Aundre*, Mawot, Oskar
Bigs- Cliff, Dean, *Aundre*, Antwone
The ideal pickups, if Caleb doesn't return 4 open, would be 2 Seniors & Junior / 1 Freshman, or 2 Juniors & a Senior/ Freshman or hold that 13th for 2023 or Walk on for a year. If Caleb returns, one of those Sr/Jr aren't necessary, just cant take any more Sophomores, only Sophomore projected to leave is Cliff next year or someone transfers in the off season. We could use 2 guards/1 big, 1 guard, 1 wing, 1 big or 1 guard, 2 bigs, depending where Pike wants to take the offense/defense in 22-23 and if Caleb comes back and plays guard or wing and if Mag or Hyatt plays a 3/4.
Sr Caleb, might or might not return.
Jr Paul, Aundre
So Mawot, Dean, Cliff, Oskar, Jalen
Fr Derek Simpson, Antwone Woolfork
3 open
Guards- Paul, *Caleb*, Jalen, Derek,
Wings- *Caleb*, *Aundre*, Mawot, Oskar
Bigs- Cliff, Dean, *Aundre*, Antwone
The ideal pickups, if Caleb doesn't return 4 open, would be 2 Seniors & Junior / 1 Freshman, or 2 Juniors & a Senior/ Freshman or hold that 13th for 2023 or Walk on for a year. If Caleb returns, one of those Sr/Jr aren't necessary, just cant take any more Sophomores, only Sophomore projected to leave is Cliff next year or someone transfers in the off season. We could use 2 guards/1 big, 1 guard, 1 wing, 1 big or 1 guard, 2 bigs, depending where Pike wants to take the offense/defense in 22-23 and if Caleb comes back and plays guard or wing and if Mag or Hyatt plays a 3/4.
from the few times I have seen Curbelo play, I would pass
the guy seems quick as hell, and, a turnover machine....kinda like J Young the first games played for us, but, without the same scoring threat.
My ulcer doesn't need another lightning quick, turnover prone, player.
Major update. Still got more to add.
SG Ethan Wright, Princeton (6'4" 190) - Wright was one of the more efficient guys in the Ivy League this past season... he seems like a solid option but maybe not the best we could get. He's a good shooter but not a great one (39% on threes last season, 37% for his career) and doesn't bring a ton else to the table. He was a good rebounder in the Ivy League but I can't imagine that's going to transfer to the Big Ten at his size. He's not really a ballhandler or facilitator. And he had the luxury of playing with two of the best players in the Ivy League in Tosan Evuomwan and Jaelin Llewellyn (plus two other sharpshooters, both over 40% from 3, in Drew Friberg and Ryan Langborg). So I can't help but feel he's maybe not as well-positioned for success as it may seem.
PG Andre Curbelo, Illinois (6'1" 175) - In my opinion Curbelo is exactly the sort of guy Rutgers should be going after: a former highly-rated recruit who has already produced at a high level (Big Ten 6th man of the year as a freshman) but is a buy-low candidate coming off a season where injuries totally prevented him from building anything. To be clear, there are some major drawbacks to his game (outside shooting and turnovers) but is a potential gamechanger as a primary ballhandler. Like, he could be the best PG in the Big Ten. That's not a crazy take. My hunch is that the Rutgers staff would have very little interest in him given his bust potential, which is fine. Curbelo is a guy I'd love to take a chance on, but I'd also love if he went to SHU and then I could root for him to wreck that offense. Just a really fascinating edge case.
PG Joe Toussaint, Iowa (6'0" 190) - He's strong, he's stocky, he's fast, he's a good defender... but I'm not sure he's much of a helpful asset overall. He can't hit a jumpshot and, unlike Curbelo, doesn't really get to the rim. His athleticism and footspeed doesn't translate into layups the way it does for Curbelo. He's originally from the Bronx but for three years he's been an inefficient player in Iowa's offense and frankly if you can't be efficient when you're surrounded by Luka Garza, Jordan Bohannon, the Murray twins, Wieskamp then I have grave concerns about your ability to lead a Big Ten offense without any players of that caliber. He's a pass for me.
PG Rahsool Diggins, UConn (6'2" 175) - A Philadelphia guy who got an offer from Rutgers but doesn't seem to have seriously considered us. He did basically nothing at UConn, only playing in garbage time, but I'd absolutely take a chance on a former top-60 recruit.
G/F Shane Dezonie, Vanderbilt (6'5" 215) - Another former Rutgers offeree who played at Hudson Catholic before finishing his career at a New Hampshire prep school. Originally signed with Arizona, then switched to Vanderbilt with the Wildcats coaching change. He didn't play much for the 'Dores but he did make 14 of 25 three pointers attempted. Ranked #100 in his class at the time.
PG Jao Ituka, Marist (6'1" 196) - He was lightly recruited despite playing with Jordan Hawkins (UConn) in high school but he was incredible at Marist considering his insanely high usage. He was one of the best players in the country at getting to the free throw line, an efficient scorer on two pointers, and even hit 41% of his three pointers although he only attempted 39 of them. He's got a ways to go in terms of distributing but the prospect of playing him along with Paul Mulcahy is very, very enticing.
PG Camren Wynter, Drexel (6'2" 185) - A four year starter originally from New York, Wynter has been an iron man and among the nation's leaders in minutes played in his career. That's made it hard to him to truly maximize his efficiency but over his career he's shown off his skills as a distributor and a shooter, although the shot has come and gone -- only 28% from 3 as a senior. Still, I love that he's been a floor general for four seasons and he led the CAA in assist rate the past two years.
PG Dashawn Davis, Oregon State (6'2" 185) - Ordinarily I would not have much interest in the PG of a team that went 3-29, but the talent around Davis was just so terrible that his average numbers actually look decent with the context. He led the Pac-12 in assist rate and was a solid scorer inside (54%). The big drawback to his game was his three point shooting, where he went 9-48. But Davis, a New York native who originally committed to Seton Hall before going the JUCO route, was a decent shooter at that JUCO. If he can bump that number to 30% (still bad) while maintaining the rest of his game, he'd be a very solid option.
PG Isaiah Thompson, Purdue (6'1" 160) - He's probably not a good fit for Rutgers because I don't like his defense or his ability to lead a Big Ten offense -- his minutes got seriously cut down the stretch for Purdue. But if the staff is on the prowl for a shooter they could do a lot worse than Thompson who's at 39% for his career.
SG Tyreke Key, Indiana State (6'3" 205) - I'm putting pretty low odds that Rutgers would be able to get into the mix for the Tennessee native but he was a dynamic scorer at Indiana State before missing the 2021-22 season with shoulder surgery. He was teammates at ISU with Jake LaRavia who just had a fantastic season at Wake Forest.
G/F Cam Spencer, Loyola Maryland (6'4" 207) - Spencer was maybe the Patriot League's best player last season, filling the stat sheet as a great scorer but also throwing in some assists and some defense as well. He's a 39% career three point shooter and he's been good inside the arc, too. How that translates to major college basketball is a legit question but he'll have a long list of teams interested.
SG Michael Jones, Davidson (6'5" 210) - A shooter from Big Ten country (Minnesota), Jones is over 40% from three for his career. He's sort of limited in what he can do and the offensive system at Davidson is practically tailor-made to make guys like him look good, but he has enough game and is a good enough shooter to carve out a role on a high major.
C Wildens Leveque, South Carolina (6'10" 255) - The big man is a Massachussetts native so there's a good chance he follows former SCar coach Frank Martin to UMass. Probably doubtful that he's looking for a backup role, but for those looking for a Shaq Carter type, he's your man. He's a pretty good scorer, but not a go-to guy. He's only an okay rebounder, a bad foul shooter, but he'll block some shots. He'd be a very good option as a backup center but with Cliff and Reiber it doesn't feel like Rutgers would be very appealing to him.
SG Ethan Wright, Princeton (6'4" 190) - Wright was one of the more efficient guys in the Ivy League this past season... he seems like a solid option but maybe not the best we could get. He's a good shooter but not a great one (39% on threes last season, 37% for his career) and doesn't bring a ton else to the table. He was a good rebounder in the Ivy League but I can't imagine that's going to transfer to the Big Ten at his size. He's not really a ballhandler or facilitator. And he had the luxury of playing with two of the best players in the Ivy League in Tosan Evuomwan and Jaelin Llewellyn (plus two other sharpshooters, both over 40% from 3, in Drew Friberg and Ryan Langborg). So I can't help but feel he's maybe not as well-positioned for success as it may seem.
PG Andre Curbelo, Illinois (6'1" 175) - In my opinion Curbelo is exactly the sort of guy Rutgers should be going after: a former highly-rated recruit who has already produced at a high level (Big Ten 6th man of the year as a freshman) but is a buy-low candidate coming off a season where injuries totally prevented him from building anything. To be clear, there are some major drawbacks to his game (outside shooting and turnovers) but is a potential gamechanger as a primary ballhandler. Like, he could be the best PG in the Big Ten. That's not a crazy take. My hunch is that the Rutgers staff would have very little interest in him given his bust potential, which is fine. Curbelo is a guy I'd love to take a chance on, but I'd also love if he went to SHU and then I could root for him to wreck that offense. Just a really fascinating edge case.
PG Joe Toussaint, Iowa (6'0" 190) - He's strong, he's stocky, he's fast, he's a good defender... but I'm not sure he's much of a helpful asset overall. He can't hit a jumpshot and, unlike Curbelo, doesn't really get to the rim. His athleticism and footspeed doesn't translate into layups the way it does for Curbelo. He's originally from the Bronx but for three years he's been an inefficient player in Iowa's offense and frankly if you can't be efficient when you're surrounded by Luka Garza, Jordan Bohannon, the Murray twins, Wieskamp then I have grave concerns about your ability to lead a Big Ten offense without any players of that caliber. He's a pass for me.
PG Rahsool Diggins, UConn (6'2" 175) - A Philadelphia guy who got an offer from Rutgers but doesn't seem to have seriously considered us. He did basically nothing at UConn, only playing in garbage time, but I'd absolutely take a chance on a former top-60 recruit.
G/F Shane Dezonie, Vanderbilt (6'5" 215) - Another former Rutgers offeree who played at Hudson Catholic before finishing his career at a New Hampshire prep school. Originally signed with Arizona, then switched to Vanderbilt with the Wildcats coaching change. He didn't play much for the 'Dores but he did make 14 of 25 three pointers attempted. Ranked #100 in his class at the time.
PG Jao Ituka, Marist (6'1" 196) - He was lightly recruited despite playing with Jordan Hawkins (UConn) in high school but he was incredible at Marist considering his insanely high usage. He was one of the best players in the country at getting to the free throw line, an efficient scorer on two pointers, and even hit 41% of his three pointers although he only attempted 39 of them. He's got a ways to go in terms of distributing but the prospect of playing him along with Paul Mulcahy is very, very enticing.
PG Camren Wynter, Drexel (6'2" 185) - A four year starter originally from New York, Wynter has been an iron man and among the nation's leaders in minutes played in his career. That's made it hard to him to truly maximize his efficiency but over his career he's shown off his skills as a distributor and a shooter, although the shot has come and gone -- only 28% from 3 as a senior. Still, I love that he's been a floor general for four seasons and he led the CAA in assist rate the past two years.
PG Dashawn Davis, Oregon State (6'2" 185) - Ordinarily I would not have much interest in the PG of a team that went 3-29, but the talent around Davis was just so terrible that his average numbers actually look decent with the context. He led the Pac-12 in assist rate and was a solid scorer inside (54%). The big drawback to his game was his three point shooting, where he went 9-48. But Davis, a New York native who originally committed to Seton Hall before going the JUCO route, was a decent shooter at that JUCO. If he can bump that number to 30% (still bad) while maintaining the rest of his game, he'd be a very solid option.
PG Isaiah Thompson, Purdue (6'1" 160) - He's probably not a good fit for Rutgers because I don't like his defense or his ability to lead a Big Ten offense -- his minutes got seriously cut down the stretch for Purdue. But if the staff is on the prowl for a shooter they could do a lot worse than Thompson who's at 39% for his career.
SG Tyreke Key, Indiana State (6'3" 205) - I'm putting pretty low odds that Rutgers would be able to get into the mix for the Tennessee native but he was a dynamic scorer at Indiana State before missing the 2021-22 season with shoulder surgery. He was teammates at ISU with Jake LaRavia who just had a fantastic season at Wake Forest.
G/F Cam Spencer, Loyola Maryland (6'4" 207) - Spencer was maybe the Patriot League's best player last season, filling the stat sheet as a great scorer but also throwing in some assists and some defense as well. He's a 39% career three point shooter and he's been good inside the arc, too. How that translates to major college basketball is a legit question but he'll have a long list of teams interested.
SG Michael Jones, Davidson (6'5" 210) - A shooter from Big Ten country (Minnesota), Jones is over 40% from three for his career. He's sort of limited in what he can do and the offensive system at Davidson is practically tailor-made to make guys like him look good, but he has enough game and is a good enough shooter to carve out a role on a high major.
C Wildens Leveque, South Carolina (6'10" 255) - The big man is a Massachussetts native so there's a good chance he follows former SCar coach Frank Martin to UMass. Probably doubtful that he's looking for a backup role, but for those looking for a Shaq Carter type, he's your man. He's a pretty good scorer, but not a go-to guy. He's only an okay rebounder, a bad foul shooter, but he'll block some shots. He'd be a very good option as a backup center but with Cliff and Reiber it doesn't feel like Rutgers would be very appealing to him.
Current PG rankings for me:
1. Marcus Hammond
2. Jao Ituka
3. Camren Wynter
4. Andre Curbelo
5. Rahsool Diggins
6. Shane Dezonie (just kidding he's a SG not a PG)
7. Dashawn Davis
8. Sam Sessoms
9. Isaiah Thompson
10. Joe Toussaint
11. Khristian Lander
1. Marcus Hammond
2. Jao Ituka
3. Camren Wynter
4. Andre Curbelo
5. Rahsool Diggins
7. Dashawn Davis
8. Sam Sessoms
9. Isaiah Thompson
10. Joe Toussaint
11. Khristian Lander
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Yeah, both are issues but there are no perfect players in the portal. With him and Wynter I like that they've been around the block leading a team for 3-4 years. And Hammond has a better shot than Wynter does. Ituka is more of a gamble but the way he did everything as a true freshman was so impressive. That's why those are the my top 3 (I also slightly factor in likelihood of mutual interest)
Warren Washington would be my top priority. You will have a ton of line-up flexibility with him, Cliff, and Reiber in the mix.
Then any guard and RJ Luis for the future.
Also when is Oskar hitting the portal?
I love Caleb, but i cant see him on an NBA team...needs to work on his shot for one more year
Then any guard and RJ Luis for the future.
Also when is Oskar hitting the portal?
I love Caleb, but i cant see him on an NBA team...needs to work on his shot for one more year
We offered like two weeks ago. What was even the point if we're not recruiting him?
Must have had a philosophy change as a program. I'd like to see Luis plus a few transfers but can't knock Pike for trying to build through the portal while Cliff is still here
When a recruit says "I am going to make a decision that's best for me and my family"......you should stop recruiting him... 😂 😂 Lol
I’m guessing that Hobbs and Pike agreed to utilize the portal after their season review meeting. Kind of like when your boss and you agree to do something you’d rather not do.
If we can't recruit even 3 star transfers, even with our recent B1G successes and tournament play, then what is the point of being in the B1G?
Something is wrong when a quality B1G program can't even aspire to recruit to the levels of teams like Creighton or Xavier or other mid major programs. Both good programs but it seems Rutgers, no matter what we show in the court, seems to matter to the recruiting powerbrokers.
His recruitment came down to Iowa and Rutgers. Good miss. He is pretty bad the times I saw him.
Odd comment to my post about Luis who isn't a transfer
Why are you saying we can't recruit 3 star transfers? Of course we can
Not meant as a reply to your comment but to the thread in general and the tone of pessimism about recruiting transfers like from Niagara, Lafayette, etc., and that Rutgers shouldn't be considered a desirable destination.
I'm pretty sure AD Hobbs is not telling him how to build his team. Pikiell knows that a little better than an AD.
Or, maybe Hobbs is sending Pikiell information on transfers to target and which HS players to go after.... 😂 😂
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Hobbs is his boss, I’m sure they discuss strategy and goals. If Pike was leaning towards a rebuild and Hobbs wants to keep success going for fundraising, ticket sales, etc who do you think wins?
Help me out with limited spots for new players. By my count we still have 3 schollies available and 3 2021-22 starters gone with no obvious players on the roster today who can fill the PPG or defense that those 3 starters provided.
What's limited? If there was ever a time to sell top tier new players w the currency they value it's this year.
A confident HC would never defer to an AD. A good AD would never butt in like that.
